Once upon a time when I was
much younger I worked at Fox News
channel.
This was before they went
absolutely batshit crazy.
I was one of the originals but
I like to say it before I do
segments cause I still about Fox
news because I still have some
people over there who God knows why
they're still there.
But for all of us who don't like to
watch Fox News, the only time that
sometimes seems interesting is when
somebody actually goes on Fox News
and trolls them to your face.
And that actually happened over
the weekend.
This involves President Biden's
plan to give money to immigrants
who have their families torn apart
at the border.
Here is the President from
the weekend watch.
>> If in fact because of
the outrageous behavior, the last
administration you coming across
the border whether it's legal or
illegal and you lost your child,
you lost your child is gone.
You deserve
some kind of compensation.
>> No matter what the
circumstances.
>> All right sounds reasonable.
They tear apart your children.
You might sue but where they have
standing or not, the government is
going to give you some money.
Well, that prompted that sort of
point of view then came up at a
news conference in which the senior
Fox News White House correspondent.
Not quite sure how he's a senior
Fox News White House correspondent
Peter Doocy had this exchange with
Joe Biden watch.
>> Do you think that that
might incentivize more people to
come over illegally.
>> If you guys keep
sending that garbage out.
Yeah, but it's not true.
>> So this is a garbage report.
>> Yeah.
>> Now most people seem to
understand that Biden was talking
about not that there would be money
going to these families,
but that it was a garbage report to
suggest that somehow there's
a financial incentive for
people to cross the border and then
have their children torn apart.
That therefore
my children might be torn apart.
Therefore I'm going to try to
cross the border because I
might get some money.
Well that distinction though was
lost on Fox News anchor
Bill Hammer over the weekend.
So leave it
to Biden White house adviser,
Cedric Richmond to Hammer Hammer
and Fox News to his face watch.
>> If you go back to the question,
the question was from a Fox
reporter asking about
whether compensation for being
separated and losing a child would
be an incentive to come to America.
And what he was saying
was that was an absurd
question from the beginning.
No one's coming somewhere to lose
their child to be separated from
their loved one.
And the question is so insensitive,
disrespectful that's what he was
commenting to.
And I would ask the question of you
whether you support that.
I mean at some point we cannot with
a straight face say that
parents are willing to separate
from a child for a dollar amount.
>> Except on Fox News they do say
that with a straight face and
when Peter Doocy thinks that he
hears President Biden talking
about Doocy's reporting
as opposed to Doocy's idea.
And the Fox News idea,
which is patently absurd that any
parent would be incentivized to
come to United States to get money
because Harry my children might
be taken away from him.
I mean, everybody knew,
I think Francesca, that that's what
Biden was referring to
when he said that's garbage.
It wasn't the idea that Biden was
saying, no, it's garbage this idea
that we're going to pay people no
it's your explanation
of this that is garbage.
Why is that distinction so
difficult for them?
>> No. And we have to understand
just how far right the conversation
nationally is on immigration.
We're so far to the right that
we can't even say the words
center without being like, no, no,
we're all the way on the right.
Or I'm on the right of your screen
like because imagine it.
The Biden administration arguably
has not done enough when it
comes to actually changing trump
immigration policies, right.
They like arguably by every
grassroots organization, everyone
who works around human rights.
They're saying there's not
been enough.
There is some,
I believe in the build back better
act if that gets passed, but
there's not been enough.
Not enough has been dismantled.
Not enough accountability.
This is a small way to give
compensation, which is, I mean,
it is nothing in comparison to
being reunited with your child,
which I know the administration
says they're working on.
This is compensation and even that
is too much for the far right and
I love I got to say sometimes Biden
sort of like fuddy duddyness
really works in his favor.
Where he's like, yeah, yeah,
if you keep putting that crap out,
people are going to believe that
and you kind of like that you like
that, he can just be his fuddy
duddy self and be like, yeah, yeah.
You guys are filling people's minds
with poison and
you also see the way stories like
this get laundered right.
So at thanksgiving, you might
have a relative who was like, yeah,
well I heard that they're giving
people money, if they relinquish
their child at the border and
then you get $450,000 or
whatever it is right.
It's a lot of money because it's
a huge, it's a huge loss.
But that gets laundered and twisted
by the right wing news cycle into
the point where yeah yeah, no,
it's an incentive.
It's a prize.
It's just prize money now it's not,
we're trying to right the wrongs
from your guy from the dude
the human rights violation guy.
>> I also wonder if Francesca gets
even sort of a scarier than that.
I mean we sort of joke about Fox
News and the way they sort of mess
around with this stuff and ha ha.
But I mean you mentioned earlier
you made a great point about
fascism and there's a sort of
effort on the right with the help
of Fox News to engage in fascism.
And part of fascism is to take
a minority group to take
immigrants and to dehumanize them.
And the only way anybody could ever
think that any human being would
willingly give up their child, for
some pot of money is if you think
that that person is not human,
if you think that they are not
worthy of the same humanity at
the rest of us have.
And so when Fox news comes out and
spews in front of President Biden
and then also
on all the various platforms,
yeah some of these immigrants,
they really want to get the money.
Therefore they're going to come up
with their children in the hopes
that their children would be
separated and they get some money.
Then you start to have people
thinking well if that person has
dark skin and they come from
Central America, they don't love
their children, they're happy
to sell their children or sell
their children into trafficking or
collect from the US government.
And that's the only reason they're
coming in the United States.
And I think if you
ask any parent of any culture,
maybe not any culture, but
nearly every culture on the planet,
would you ever dream of selling off
your children willingly?
Nobody would say yes that's that's
insanity and
the idea that there's some people
on the right in the United States.
And clearly Fox news knows that
there are people who like this
stuff.
The idea that they would say this
with a straight face and
they would say, yeah, but you know,
there's a legitimate point here
doesn't incentivize.
I mean that is really,
really frightening.
>> Absolutely.
It is 100% demonizing and
also having no empathy.
And this is sort of where I get
to my main, you know, this is
the dark moments where you're like,
I don't know if we can come
together as a country.
Because if you don't have
basic empathy for
someone trying to seek a better
life in another in another country,
save their own lives fleeing gang
violence from their countries,
destabilize, by your country and
their foreign policy.
I don't know what to say to you
anymore man.
Like I don't even know if we can
have this conversation if you're,
if you lack so much basic empathy.
But yeah, fascism needs a scapegoat
and immigrants have been that for
so long and that's why we have to
make sure we combat that.
And sadly, I'm not seeing enough
from the Biden administration yet,
to really do it.
>> And I wonder if incentivizes
another one of these.
I don't know incentivize three
syllable words, which maybe
Peter Doocy never quite learned in
college when he was studying it.
Because there are incentives for
people who have these sort of
miserable life that and
seek a better life are coming from
places in Latin America,
where there are gangs and murder
runs rampant and their drugs and
there's no opportunity.
Sure there's an incentive.
If they can get to the United
States, they can build a better
life, they can have freedom, they
can have liberty, they can have
an education of the American dream.
That's the incentive.
The incentive is not to come and
collect $450,000 in the hopes
that well maybe I'll be able to
get rid of my child and I'll
collect a bunch of money anyway,
that's just absurd.
And for people who do not
understand what incentivize
really means and
what incentives are actual real
incentives versus the sort of
made up incentives that they talk
about and bandy about on Fox news.
Makes me think, well they're just
dumbing down their audience even
more and tossing around the world
like incentivized when they have
absolutely no idea what it means.
>> Yes, absolutely.
The trump's strategy,
let's be real on immigration was to
be worse than MS13 for
as much talk as how much they hated
MS13 this gang violence is in that.
Their answer was I don't know,
we should create more fear as much
fear as gangs do.
So people don't come here.
Well, I think we might be
better than that