>> Hey everyone, my name is Savannah Peterson,
and I am very excited to be coming
to you today from the CUBE in Palo Alto.
We're going to be talking about Cub ECon,
giving a little preview of the hype
and what you might be able to expect
in Detroit with the one and only co-founder
and CEO of the CUBE and Silicon ANGLE, John Furrier.
John, hello. >> Hey.
>> How are you today? >> Thanks for hosting
and doing the preview with me.
>> My goodness a pleasure. We got acquainted
this time last year. How do you think
the ecosystem has changed? Are you excited?
>> Well first of all, I missed Cube Con cause I had Bovid.
I was so excited to be there. Had this big trip planned.
>> [Savannah laughing] It's not long.
>> And then I couldn't make it. But so much was going on.
We've been at every Cube Con. The CUBE was there
at the beginning when OpenStack was still going on.
theCUBE Ku bernet was just starting, came out of Google.
We were there having beers with Lou Tucker and a bunch
of the luminaries when it all kind of came together.
And then watch it year by year progress through
and how it's changed the industry.
And mainly how open source has been
really the wave behind it. Combining with
the Linux Foundation and then CNCF
and then the open source movement
and good Kubernetes has been amazing.
And under it all containers has been the real driver
in all this. So, you know, Docker containers
Docker was a well funded company. They had to pivot
and were restructured now their pure open source.
So containers have gone supernova on top of
that's Kubernetes and with, that's a complete ecosystem
of opportunity to create the next operating system in
in software development. So to me,
Cube Con is at the center of software
Software 2 0 3, oh, what do you want to call it, Super cloud.
It's at, it's really the action.
It's not where the old school is.
It's where the new school is..
>> Excellent. So what has you most excited this year?
What's the biggest change from this time last year and now?
>> Well, two things I'm looking at this year carefully
both from an editorial lens and also
from a sponsorship lens is where is the funding going
on the sponsorships. Cause they have a
very diverse ecosystem of builders but also vendors.
So I'm going to see how that dynamic's going on.
But also on the software side there
a lot of white space going on in the stack
or in the map if you will. You know,
the run times, you've got observability
you got a lot of competition maybe projects might be
growing, some rising, some falling maybe merged together.
Going to see how that... But there's
a lot of white spaces developing.
So I'm curious to see what's new on that area.
And then Service mesh is a big deal this year
so I'm looking for what's going on with service.
It's been kind of a, I won't say Cold war
but kind of like a, you know, where is this going to go?
And because it's a super important part of, of the
the orchestration and managing containers.
And so it'd be very interest to see how service mesh does.
STO and other versions out there have been around
for a while. So that, and the also the other controversy is
the number of stars on GitHub a project may have.
So sometimes that carries a lot of weight
but we're going to look at which ones are rising
which ones are falling again on which ones are getting
the most votes by the developers vote with their code.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Well we did definitely miss you
down in Los Angeles but it will will be great to be
in Detroit. What has you most excited, do you think
that we're going to see the number of people
in person that we have in the past?
I know you've seen it since the beginning so...
>> I think this year is going to be explosive
from that psychology angle because
I think it was really weird because LA was on
they were bold to make that move.
You were, we were all there had
>> The absolutely first conference back
>> It was a lot, lot of like badges don't touch me,
only handshakes, fist pumps. But it was at
the beginning of the Ovid's second wave, right? So...
It was kind of still not yet released
that where everyone's was not worried about it.
So I think in the past year, in the past eight months
I mean I've been places with no masks.
People wear no masks, Vegas, other places.
So I think it's going to be a year where it's going to
be a lot more people in person
because the growth and the opportunities are so
big it's going to drive a lot of people in person.
Just like Amazon Reinvent does.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And as the
most important prominent event
in the Kubernetes space, I think everyone's very excited to
to get back together when we think about this space.
Do you think there are that anyone's declare winner yet?
Or do you think it's still a bit of a open territory
in terms of the companies and partnerships?
>> I think Red Hat has done a great job and their, you know
I think they're we're going to see
how well they can turn this into gold
for them because they've positioned themselves very well.
Open Shift years ago was kind of waffling
I won't say in a bad way, but like
but once they got view on containers and Kubernetes
Red Hat has done an exceptional job
in how they position their company being bought
by IBM's going to be very interesting to see how
that influences changed. So if Red Hat can stay Red Hat,
I think IBM will win. I think CUS win.
So that's one company I like. The startups
were seeing companies like Platform Nine, RAFI Systems
young companies coming out in the Kubernetes as a
service space. Cause I think whoever
can make Kubernetes easier because I think
that's the hard part right now.
Even though that the show is called KU coupon
is a lot more than Kubernetes. I think the container layer
what Dockers doing has been exceptional.
That's the real action. The question is,
how does that impact the Kubernetes layer?
So Kubernetes is not a done deal yet.
I think it hasn't really crossed the chasm yet.
It's certainly popular, but not every company's adopting it.
So we're starting to see that we need to
see more adoption of Kubernetes.
So seeing that happens going to decide who the winners are.
>> Totally agree with that. If you look at the data,
a lot of companies are and people are excited about
Kubernetes, but they haven't taken the plunge to
shifting over their stack or fully embracing it
because of that complexity. So I'm very curious
to see what we learn this week
about who those players might be moving forward.
How does it feel to be in Detroit?
When was the last time you were here?
>> I was there, 2007 was the last time I was in that town.
So we'll see what's like......
>> Wow, but things have changed a little bit of...
>> The last alliance's a good this year.
They got great hockey always there. So you know.
>> All right. You've heard that sports fans
let John know what you're thinking
your sports predictions for this season.
I love that. Who do you hope to get
to meet while we're at the show?
>> I want to meet more end user customers.
We're going to have Envoy again on theCUBE.
I think Red Hat's going to be a big sponsor this year.
They've been great. We're looking for an end user project.
I'm also looking for some editorial super cloud
like commentary because the CNCF is kind of
the developer tech community that's powering, in my opinion
this next wave of software development.
Cloud native DevOps is now cloud native developers.
DevOps is kind of going away. That's killed IT
in my opinion. Data and security ops is
the new kind of ops, the new It.
So it's going to just see how DevOps turns
into more of a software engineering meets super cloud.
So I think you're going to start to
see the infrastructure become more programmable.
It's infrastructure is code.
So I think if anything I'm more excited to hear more stories
about how infrastructures code is now the new standard.
So if when that truly happens the super cloud model
will be kicking in into high gear.
>> Love that. Let's, you touched on it
a little bit right there but I want to dig in a bit.
Since you've been around since the beginning
what is it that you appreciate or enjoy so much
about the Kubernetes community and the people around this?
>> I think they're authentic people
and I think they're, they're built also progressive.
They're very diverse. They're open and inclusive.
They try stuff and they can be critical
but they're not jerks about it.
So when people's try something
they're open-minded a failure.
So it's a classic startup mentality.
I think that is embodied throughout the Linux Foundation.
But CNC in particular has to bridge the entrepreneurial
and corporate vibe. So they've done an
exceptional job doing that. And that's what
I like about this money making involved.
But there's also a lot of development
and innovation that's comes out of it.
So the next big name and startup could come
out of this community and that's what I hope to
see coming out of here is that next brand that no one's heard
of that just comes out of nowhere
and just takes a big position in the marketplace.
So that's going to be interesting to see.
>> Hopefully we have on our stage there. That's the goal.
>> We're going to interview them all
>> A year from now. When we're sitting here again.
What do you hope to be able to say about this space
or this event that we might not be able to say today?
>> I think it's going to be more of clarity
around the new modern software development techniques.
Software, NextGen, using AI more faster, silicon chips.
You see Amazon with what they're doing
the custom silicon more processing.
I think hardware matters. We've been talking
a lot about that. I think. I think it's, we're going to shift
from what's been innovative and what's changed.
I think. I think if you look at what's been going on
in the industry outside of crypto
the infrastructure hasn't really changed much
except for AWS, what they've done.
So I'm expecting to see more innovations
at the physics level way down in the chips.
And then that lower end of the stack's going to be dominated
by either one of the three clouds, probably AWS
and then the middle layer is going to be this, where
the abstraction is around making infrastructures code
really happen. I think that's going to be clarity
coming out of this year. Next year we should have some
visibility into the vertical applications
under the AI and machine learning.
>> Absolutely. Digging in on that, actually even more
because I like what you're saying a lot
what verticals do you think that Kubernetes is going to impact
the most looking even further out than say a year?
>> I mean, I think that hot Ones healthcare FinTech are
obvious to get the most money they're spending.
I think they're the ones who are already kind
of creating these super cloud models where
they're actually changed over their
they're spending from CapEx to OPEX
and they're driving top line revenue as part of that.
So you're seeing companies that launch customers
of the IT vendors are now becoming the providers.
So that's a big super cloud trend we see.
So the other verticals are going to be served
by a lot of managed service price, oil and gas, you know
all the classic verticals, healthcare, I mentioned that one.
Those are the classic verticals.
Retail's going to be, I think, be massively huge.
As you get more into the internet of things
that's truly internet based you're going to start to see
a lot more edge use cases. Telecom I think it's going to be
completely disrupted by new brands.
So I think most that you see, see how that plays out
but all verticals are going to be disrupted.
>> Just a casual statement to say.
>> Yeah, yeah, no doubt in my mind.
>> That's great. I'm personally really excited
about the edge applications that are possible here
and can't wait to see, can't wait to see what happens next.
I'm curious as to your thoughts.
How based, given your history here
and we don't have to say number
of years that you've been participating in in Cape Con
but given your history, what's the evolution looked like
from that community perspective when you were all just
starting out having that first drink, did you anticipate
that we would be here with thousands of people in Detroit?
>> You know, I knew the moment was happening
around 2017, 2018 DANKO who no longer with us.
He passed away. I ran into him randomly
in China and it was like, what are you doing here?
He was a bunch of guys. So they were already investing in.
So I knew that the CNCF was a great steward
for this community because they were already doing the work.
Dan led a great team at that time
and then they were, they were, they were kicking
and they were just really set the foundation they did in
they set the architecture perfectly.
So I knew that that was a moment that was going to be
pretty powerful. At the early days when we were
talking about Kubernetes before it even started,
we were always, always talking about if this could be
the TCP IP of of cloud then we could have kind of a
defacto interoperability. And Lou Tucker was working for
Cisco at the time and we were called it inter clouding,
like inter networking what that did during the,
the revolution of the cloud...
The revolution of the client server and
and PC revolution was about connectivity.
And so T C P I P was the disruptive enabler
created massive amounts of wealth, created a lot
of companies, created a whole generation of companies.
So I think this next inflection point is kind
of happening right now. I think Kubernetes is
one step of this abstraction layer
but you're starting to see companies
like Snowflake who's built on AWS
and then move to multiple clouds.
Goldman Sachs, Capital One you're going to see
insurance companies. So we believe that the rise of the
Super cloud is here. That's going to be Cloud 3.0,
that's software 3.0 it's software three,
what do you want to call it? It's not yesterday.
It's cloud lift and shift and run a SaaS application.
It's a true enterprise, digital, digital transformation.
So that's that's kind of the trend that we see
riding in now. And so, you know,
if you're not on that side of the street
you're going to get washed away from that wave.
So it's going to be interesting to see how
how it all plays out. So it's fun to watch
Who's on the wrong side.......
>> It is, it is very fun. I hope you all are listening
to this really powerful advice from John.
He's dropping some serious knowledge bombs on us to, well
>> Holding the back for Cuban because we got
we got all the great guests coming
on and that's where all the content comes from.
I mean, that's the best part of
the community is that they're sharing.
>> Absolutely. So just for old time sake, and it's
because it's how I met your fabulous team last year
define Kubernetes for the audience.
>> Kubernetes is like, what someone said was magic Christmas.
I heard that. Was this a Well, good explanation.
Was that one I heard that one.
You mean the technical definition
or like the business definition or
>> Maybe both. You can give us an interpretive dance
if you'd like as well.........
>> I mean the simplest way to describe Kubernetes is
an Orchestration al layer that orchestrates containers
that are containing applications.
And it's a way to keep things running and run time assembly
of like the, of the data. So if you got,
if you're running containers you can container
as applications. Kubernetes gives you that capability
to run applications at scale, which feeds into
the development cycle of the pipe line of apps.
So if you're writing applications and you want to scale up
it's a fast way to stand up massive amounts
of scale using containers of Kubernetes.
So a variety of other things that are in the,
in the, in the system too. So yeah..
>> That was pretty good. We'll let that...
>> There's a lot more under the hood
but that's the oversimplified version.
>> I think that's where what we were going for.
I think it's actually, harder to
oversimplify it sometimes. in this case.
>> It connects, It connects all. It's the
connective tissue between all the container applications.
>> Yes. Last question for you John.
We are here at the CUBE. We are very excited to be headed to
Detroit very soon. What can people expect
from the CUBE at Cube con this year?
So we'll be broadcasting Wednesday, Thursday and Friday.
We'll be there early. I'll be there Monday and Tuesday.
We'll do our normal kind of hanging
around getting some scoop on the, on the ground floor.
You'll see us there Monday and Tuesday probably in,
in the, in the lounge too. Come up and say hi to us. Again.
We're looking for more stories this year.
We believe this is the year that you're going to
hear a lot more storytelling coming out
of this community as people get more proof points.
So come up to us, share your email, your, your handle.
Give us your, give us your story.
We'll, we'll publish it. We think.
We think this is going to be the year that cloud
native developers start showing the signs of the
of the rise of the super cloud that's going to come
out of this, this community. So, you know,
if you got something to say, you know
we're open to share stories. So we're here.
>> Love that. Speaking of John,
how can people say hi to you and the team
>> On Twitter at Furrier, at Silicon Angle?
At theCUBE theCUBE dot net. Silicon angle.com.
LinkedIn at Dave. Vellante is out there.
We're open on all channels. Signal, Instagram, WhatsApp.
>> Perfect. Well pick your channel.
We really hope to hear from you.
John, thank you so much for joining us
for this preview session and thank you for tuning in.
My name is Savannah Peterson here
in Palo Alto at theCUBE Studios. Looking forward to Detroit.
We can't wait to hear your thoughts.
Do let us know in the comments
and let us know if you are headed to Michigan. Cheers.