big shout to the ghosts and the ghostettes today we check out a sit down with Spike the
Orange County president of the Hessians Outlaw motorcycle club I'm excited about
this there's some things mentioning here about 9 11 and certain things that we've
been talking about on Demons row that he mentioned before demons Row was ever
created and we get into it on this episode a demons Row TV and oh yeah we ghostin baby
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TV the Holy Grail of MC culture where we cover everything motorcycle and Motorcycle
Club involved I'm sose the ghost I'm your host for the evening and today we're going to go over this
Spike interview classic interview of the Hessians Outlaw motorcycle club I know the demographic on
demons row is very young the biggest demographic of the show is the 23 to the 34 year old that's
the range of the people that watch demons row of course as people of all ages but my main
demographic is that group so I hope that ushering in this new era all the ogs that deserve flowers
ought to be brought this demographic so that their names live on I will make it my personal
mission to make that happen but let's get into this interview despite his president
of the Orange County chapter of the hessian's motorcycle club Spike also trained as an architect
with a professional background in design and environmental engineering it's part of his role
spike is a liaison officer for the Confederation of Clubs in Southern California which pushes for
bikers rights and legislation and employs lobbyists and attorneys for the cause first
of all Spike great to see you good to see you too tell us about the hessian's motorcycle club I mean
you've got famous clubs around Southern California got Hells Angels the Mongols the Hessians so tell
us about your Club we're well established here and especially in Orange County we were probably
one of the pioneering large clubs there and we we started off March 7th 1968 and we grew very
fast at that period of time there was a lot of ex military guys that have come back from doing their
Duty for their country and they're kind of missing the camaraderie that they had out there and a lot
of motorcycle clubs evolved at that period and and we was one of them so why the bad publicity I mean
you haven't been portrayed these motorcycle clubs as pillars of the law I think initially at that
period if you look at Society during the the early uh 70s in the late 60s and the Baby Boomers and
everything it was a it was a period of time when we were experimenting it was experimental time
with drugs there was a lot of changes going on in the world and and I think um that was a reflection
of the times and yeah they were a little crazy and you know there was a there was a lot more
um you know physical altercations and things going on and that was acceptable back in that
period a lot more than it is today now if you raise an eyebrow you know it can be looked as a
terrorist threat she says something that was very key and I think is very important and he said it's
almost like a terrorist group and we have to be very careful because with the symbolisms in MC
culture I feel like that's the way that they're gonna make a move on us now I don't want to say
too much about actual symbolisms we all know the symbols that MCS carry but we have to be very
careful and watch this government because I think that that is something that can be used against us
in the future and so think things have changed a lot and I think the main things of stigma of the
60s and 70s has kept with us over that period of time and we've been used I think as a scapegoat to
some extent as being the Bad Boys there's always got to be some bad boys out there okay let's talk
about say life as a biker I mean we you know we you see all these films there's the they they
basically show the bikers living in the bar having a rumble every night and back to the bar I mean
I don't think you guys ever sleep in the in the movies well they've got that part right yeah take
away the Weekend Warriors and stuff looking at say hardcore biker gangs or biker groups or clubs
we are definitely clubs and the reason I I press that is because Society now is has put us in you
know being in a gang so to speak uh it didn't mean anything you know 20 years ago now you know
we we are clubs and and the difference is quite significant to us if we get if we was to be a
gang member and and I may say that there's not a there's not a court in the country that is uh
actually deemed a motorcycle club a gang there's been many attempts but to try and Define a gang
in itself has been very difficult because the definitions to to date of gang members uh you
you could have you know any number of people from the Boy Scouts of America to your local
Elks member it's a very technical uh a line there and and affects us very much if you was
to get arrested for something that a club member might get arrested for and they deem that person
a gang member the sentences are doubled you're treated a lot different your rights are different
and so that's why in the legislative areas we're trying to protect the biker we're one of the few
groups minority groups out there that doesn't have protection in the in the system you know we can go
to a bar or a restaurant they say you can't come in just merely by what we're we're wearing and and
you know there's nothing we can do about it what he said right there is so key being a member of
The Outlaw motorcycle club or motorcycle club we are like the only people in the world where they
could tell us we can't come inside think about that for a second you could be a gang member
and get inside of certain establishments wearing a red or blue flag but MCS can't get in if they
did that to like a transgender or a person of color imagine how hell would break loose but MCS
they're just allowed to do it you know there's no real reason to prevent us going into a place
it's odd that you need the protection now and you're going to to the the lawmakers to give you
that people would think well surely they can look after themselves is this progress or is this part
of the aging process because I mean let's face it we're all getting a bit older we all get a
bit smarter eventually why is it happening now I think I think really now to say you know not
so much to say we're the government is coming down very strong on us because um they I think
they see us as the last people to be outspoken we don't take things laying down we've got some
very strong Patriots in the motorcycle clubs most of these I said a lot of military people
the most patriotic people in the country and yet they're using uh 911 as a as an example
um to to try and prove us to come under terrorist activities to to be able to listen to our phone
conversations and do all this now I I believe in Fair Play you know if we're doing stuff wrong and
we're you know you you do the the crime you pay the time but when we're not doing anything and
and we're not and most of the clubs out there have very strict policies on making sure that
the clubs are not involved in in anything um we can't be accountable for every single individual
in our organization the same as any organizations the police and the DA's Department locally we've
had top officials in both the police department just recently been suspended and several years
ago we had one of the top people in the D.A huge offenses check out what he just said too if you
really think about it let's get deep into the surface of what's really going on he mentioned
strong military background police get locked up they mess up they don't say this police officer
in New York did this this police officer in California did that we're gonna put it together
and do a RICO on the police no separately they get in trouble but MCS it's a RICO charge if you get
in trouble in Chicago and your brother gets in trouble in Florida they're trying to link that
together they're not trying to hear that it was separate acts it's only MC's and it really shows
that it's really the military core of the MCS that is truly feared but you don't you don't tar and
feather the whole Police Department because of one bag apple and and that's that's what we're
dealing with and we're dealing with the media we're dealing with um the history because you
know we're the first to admit we were Rowdy back in the day what's another word you use besides
Rowdy boisterous maybe yeah let's see those days have they actually left are they still there but
you're not the the media doesn't Focus so much on those or I mean is it still there I mean you know
just by Nature Bakers don't mix into mainstream uh Society we we have our parties away from everyone
else we try and and be ourselves but now what's happened uh we're we're being you know spending
huge amounts of money to infiltrate the clubs and try and find some dirt and there really isn't the
time after time after time you get a big hype in the media and if we go back historically to the
biggest hype of all which was Hollister where we had the picture on Time Life Magazine of a
drunken biker on a motorcycle surrounded by beer cans and uh that that that that that whole thing
there was nothing to report after the war and that was completely hyped up and it's been proven to be
hyped up they found all the people involved and talked to them and then we had the Wild Bunch and
the in the movie did you know hype up that whole event at Hollister so historically speaking we've
always been you know we're the Bad Boys and we all know we need law enforcement we know but but
we want fair play and that's what we're doing with the legislative side of things so then how
do you achieve this fair play well I think they've they've actually taught us how out of the armchair
attorneys we know our laws very well and we could probably recite many of uh of the vehicle stops
better than the officers can through experience through experience and and that's where they've
got the Ace in the in in the hole normally is when you go to court you're not ex you don't know what
the procedure is in a courtroom you don't know what your rights are you don't know when they're
stretching uh the the law of the land you know to to get an arrest and so now we've become our chair
attorneys we have lobbyists we have professional attorneys in some of our clubs and we're just
looking out for fair play and to make sure that we're represented and that government doesn't
use us as a scapegoat for everything if one was to become a brother with say the Hessians for example
what's the process first of all we want to make sure that somebody really wants to be with us and
we want to be with them so you have a prospecting period and that prospecting period you you'll have
someone that's responsible for you and I'll be teaching you the history of the club they'll be
teaching about by the pro biker protocol and we'll want to make sure they want to make a commitment
to you know that they really want to ride and we have mandatory runs during the year where we
all get together and ride and it's a real strong Brotherhood you go through various stages you have
a bottom rocker first in our club then you get a top rocker as well then finally get the Center
patch and to get that Center patch everyone in the club's got to vote a yes for you so you know
it's in imperative that you get around to meet all the brothers and you get to know people and
um so that that's why we become so close a network is you know we're around one another a lot and we
enjoy our company and we enjoy the safe things we're most cycle enthusiasts we love to ride and
we love the biker lifestyle so you really then once they get to this stage of the set of patch
you know for sure that they actually want to be part of this great Club I mean it's a club
full of History it really is I mean uh it sounds cornball but you know we're kind of the modern
day uh you know at the Outlaws of the West that were they they were they were fine people they
came over and uh you know developed the west and they were Law and Order for a while we we've got
our own Law and Order we we take care of our own and we certainly don't um you know put up with
fools just the very nature of of the club itself I mean tats the helmet first of all give me a look
at the look that's great that's great but all that sort of stuff you leave yourself a little
wide open for the more adventurers out there that want to you know gain some attention because of
what the Hessian stand for or what the other clubs stand for how do you deal with that I mean I mean
a bit seriously yeah people would say the old knuckle sandwich or something but how actually do
you deal with it you know that that's how Society has changed I mean I remember growing up as a as a
kid in school you know I'd have a have a little fisty cuffs out in the playground it was fine I
mean it doesn't hurt anything and I think you know guys that's part of growing up and if you can have
a little fisty cuffs and then pick one another Up and Shake Hands same on the Rugby field I play
rugby for many years and and I've had guys you know knock out my front teeth and then pick me
up off the floor and take me into the bar and have a pint of Guinness afterwards and and it's just
you know that's that's what it was all about now of course if there's if there's any problems you
know uh you you can't have a fisty cuffs anymore I mean for one thing you can't you know we'd be
prepared to have a fisty cuffs but the the bottom line is there's so many guns and knives out there
and you don't know who you're dealing with and and some of the old you know Marquess of Queensbury
rules you know they've gone now you know they're they're a thing of the past do you ever have a
fear for your own safety there because now being president of the Orange County chapter it really
doesn't mean very much being in that position you know it's just that you know I was probably away
that weekend that the position got filled and so I had to do it but no joking all aside the the those
times when you know you're fearful there's been times when you know I sometimes I I don't feel
too comfortable when law the the law enforcement agencies pull me over for a traffic stop and
I'm laying down on the ground face down on the concrete with with 15 or 20 guns pointed at me and
you know it could be one person sneeze in a with a hair hair trigger and boom I'm history the fact
that they they think that because we've got long hair and tattoos and and ride a bike that we're
we're all um you know packing weapons we all do drugs which I do not neither you know it it's uh
and I say to them you know there's better things to be doing you know I've been held on the ground
at some point point for three quarters an hour laying down on the concrete a man over 50 years
old and you know I've I've said you know can I at least stand up you know I'm not going anywhere you
have 20 officers you know same amount of cars and a helicopter up above but it looks good on
camera doesn't it yeah and I think they have to justify their their their their numbers there's a
there's a little bit of politicking going in there environmental engineering which is pretty bizarre
but you know you're you're you have another life besides the El Presidente of the the Hessians tell
us about that I worked the corporate world for quite a long time while still riding motorcycles
and we have all sorts of cross-sections of people within the clubs you know um but um
the corporate world is is just as terrifying if not more so than than the biker world so this
is a classic interview and I love everything he was saying he was so well spoken people look at
bikers and they automatically assume that you know you can't hold the conversation he holds a
corporate job for all the people that think that if you're in an outlaw motorcycle club you just
have money that falls on your lap and you pay for these expensive bikes without working or whatever
it's it's Madness if there's somebody in or out of a club that you believe deserves flowers hit me at
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