President Barack Obama is receiving a great deal criticism for his
stonewalling when it comes to the release a
many thousands of documents considered necessary for us to understand
the extent and breadth of torture that was conducted under
the Bush administration to the senate's torture investigation report is done has
been for quite a while
but both the report and a number of supplementary
that documents have not yet been released in fact in fact
President Barack Obama has refused to release about ninety four hundred
documents connected to
the investigation the bathroom form for
for five years exactly and then some look it seemingly increasingly like
we're never going to know exactly what happened in that as you're talking about
during the break
I'm we have both the the Senate intelligence committees
report on the the the torture program
you also have an internal report conducted by the CSCI
under leon panetta that also we have not seen the light of day on
now we are expecting at some point the document will be released in fact
President Obama says
I would urge them to go ahead and complete the report send it to us
we will declassify the findings talking about the the documents we mentioned
earlier
so the american people can understand what happened the past and I could help
them guidance as you move forward
which sounds fine but he has had a number appears to release that
information has not done so
I don't know why we would assume at this point that he's going to I don't think
it sounds fine I mean I i mean about the way that the classifier
right to what it sounds like it is I'm 100 whatever a declassified
just understand you can read it and then remove it off
like we're not magadan do anything about it yes so
he as usual President Obama's maddening he
around campaigner change you want to stop torture and you know anger
yeah the idea and what are the what does he do he's been covering up for the bush
administration for five straight years
your release a god damn documents here own senate
so they can know what's going on they already wrote a report about an
here's a great part of this story so Senate right to sixty three hundred page
report
it took forty million dollars put together talk two hundred the witnesses
look at all these different things
and they had have an analysis it's done then they go okay now
this is incredibly critical the CIA the people in charge in releasing this
report is
the CIA okay so they have to read Act whatever they don't like
okay they get to do that now the people
the per person who can compel the CIA go all right let's go you were sitting on a
per your tab
put the god damn report out and I'll decide what you read acting was correct
or not correct or whatever
is the executive branch the White House President Obama and he just lets
the CIA said on it is set on it and now there is a new story says
are you sure you I will do the right thing even though I have been doing the
right thing for five years
there's no reason to believe I'll do the right thing going forward to many and
how much pressure I have
I'm really really busy covering up for George W Bush and Dick Cheney
for some reason and that's what everybody gets so frustrated like
why what is wall with you what when with the why though is because what he didn't
want to do clear it seems to me is
as come in office and go to war with CIA
like that was just made very clear that that that was no that was no way for
this
a socialist president that the coming of those
yeah and you are not we just now it's five years
right you know I know somebody countable right or released a report new okay
you suck you don't want to do anything right you're like pro establishment were
tired review
at least step aside butch okay Ellis handle this like the senate's got a
report
is like your report when he scared of his if you are Lisa sent a report and
its so damning
the torture did not work at all and the CIA lied about a
all well and I'll gee willikers it since you have the executive branch they might
have to do something about it
and he doesn't do anything under any circumstance the
that's the crux of this is that the report is gonna say
yeah we tortured people which clearly americans are going to be okay with
my game and they were the worst the worst way and the right
but what what okay with that we like the President Obama were passed a way that
we would hope more people are going to be okay with that are going to want
nobody's getting
not gonna be outrage among enough people are going to be enough our retirees
allow rage
but what it's gonna say is everything you've now said since
September 12 2002 about we're gonna step up in makers and get all this
information
is going to be disproven it doesn't work which while many people with nothing
wrong
another resources that is what the Senate report says and that's apparently
the the internal the panetta report agrees in many ways that the CIA has
come out
and said that that that they're holding the report that it that's an accurate
are too harsh in the CIA
but the initial report from what I what I've been reading agree is in many ways
with that
but I don't think that we should be really surprised about this because
Barack Obama can
be very bold when it comes to certain areas like speaking out in favor
very bold 3 unfavorable if gay marriage when the tide turns
on pot legalization when the tide turns but he has never shown a willingness to
be courageous when it comes to national security
his bar too afraid of being attacked from the right
and it despite the fact that these abuses happened under a republican
president
I don't think that he's willing this far into his term to allow any that
criticism to
even second-hand tarnishes administration well look I a
I did a story about the this great announces about
of President Obama earlier in the week by your professor
and I think the big takeaway line was present Obama doesn't have convictions
he has preferences
right so his preference is to show the torture doesn't work is against torture
he stop the torture program the one of the few things he did write music given
credit for it.
and kinda but we still do renditions will we allow other people
torture on our in our behalf but OK whatever
BMO over the credit on that he would perfer
that we prove that it doesn't work but if it means challenging the CIA in
challenging Sean Hannity
what a hassle ray so he's not gonna do that because he doesn't really have any
convictions about it
all he cares about his how you know the politics
as it concerns an but here's what people have to realize and i three more more
people are realizing on the left
which is that the president
does not care about policy raid
he is up politician and and I know they thought he was in
that he was above politics and here's a guy who's burners than
what a sweet lookin guy with his family and I got a lovely dog in there too
any M any seems like he's one of us he seems like a regular guy in a poor mom a
single mom
grow up you know not privileged cetera et cetera
but no he's just like classic in knowing
politician who only cares about himself and his stupid ass legacy
and how much hassle he's going to deal with and in this case he feels like I
will be a little hassle by the CIA they gonna be all over me
any Punjab reading his best buddy is the head of the CIA
to cover for the CIA so he doesn't give a shit about what's right or wrong and
torture
and what we're gonna show improved oh my god he had actually prosecute anybody
the CIA
I would be a giant hassle to order he has already P so that it's almost as if
they're running the government as if it were target
like he was the CEO of target that anything bad for target
or anything bad for business would make them look bad their image bad is just a
hassle
and we don't wanna deal with anything that's going to compromise our ability
to do business
mean years ago incredible penchant for maintaining the status quo
is not a crusader he doesn't like policy he's a politician
and politicians are everywhere in business they basically play games with
each other to keep the store open to make it look good
and you're right thing report on cover some malfeasance they have to do
something about it
so is easier to avoid that high but but
the difference is that it's a public office it's not a private company a
or a publicly traded company were work government
you know we're not to get all crazy on democracy
but the on you know or idealistic but I mean pick up
acted you have to be in the policy that's why you're president
is it well unforced lane it is two different set of skills for one is the
skill to get elected as president mothers actually being present in a
totally different
and so what we have is people were really good politics
who get elected president who don't necessarily give a damn about
policy because I ran out how they elected in the first place they got
selected
because they're good politics so in baggage in some ways to counter
productive system
they give those people who are natural-born politicians
who are not geared to do the right thing in a lot of ways their gear to avoid the
right thing
for their own convenience so let's be clear it doesn't give us what we want
but when you say
us you mean bus not the richest people in the country who give them the money
necessary
to use their great political skills to get it off in the first place I get you
know I whatever I I got to put money is the problem
but that good but but on the short term the problem here
is I suspect would all turn out and maybe we do know another annoying bob
woodward book but the
the fight is going to be with the administration and the CIA
and I think it's going to be a fight that a while it didn't they had did not
have any interest
it having whatsoever because I guess I don't know that he cares I don't know
that he is passionate that it should be out or not
but what I suspect was made clear to him is that you what you're gonna do in your
first day in office your first year in office is
cut off the knees %uh the first responders in the war on terrorism the
guys who actually kept us safe
and now you're gonna come in and do it good luck then back to support UN
anything ever that you do and you'll be a one-term president
what in also was really fast so so we have like the the policy debate about
what effect it would have on his administration if they were willing to
admit
perhaps the torture does not actually produce any actionable intelligence
doesn't actually
published keeps keep us safe but there's also the real-world implications about
it if we don't have that open debate if we don't have
the strongest man in the world will end as saying to america
this doesn't do anything and I have the data to prove it
then the next time there's a big attack when perhaps we'll have a republican
president
we will lapse right back into those useful habits
looking into enhanced interrogation things like that and not only will we
then do the same abuses but we then won't be
protecting America like he did there's the policies that but there's also we
wanna stay safe in this
isn't literally how you do it right instead of stopping
enhanced derogation he is cost
than yesterday and it can be one cause as soon as a Republican president it's
an office or perhaps
a slightly more hawkish democrat possibly Hillary Clinton
I wanna go further and trying to check myself but
I I don't think he cares about keeping us safe it is his preference that we be
safe but
it is I guess a speedy several course train but if use
like and if you ask them he'd have to answer it the right way but
I think it's just a lower priority for hit the higher priority is my legacy
convenience political advantage and way low on that total post messages and you
know it diminishes his power to wage war around the country around the world
mean any new information diminishes when we can attack human rights in other
countries where we've been torturing people around the world are you certain
kids are you anything you can do it so it would be great as well
naked to invade other people's sovereignty you and then attack others
for doing the same
it just diminishes the the the exceptionalism argument it diminishes
so much of our American mystique and global power and geopolitical power that
that he doesn't want to be the guy to bring that to bring that
tarnish to to the country if he actually cared about conviction had conviction
about policy what to do right what he said on the campaign trail was kind of
thing here
it then you would say the CIA hey listen you guys tell me as ben says I'm
positive that you write about that the CIA came inside
way to keep people safer K and you can go wrong criticizing us with a guest
keeping you safe
they need if I was him I would say hi well there I was six to three hundred
page report you're telling me
otherwise the you guys tortured people any did not keep a safe
not only was it wrong it did not lead to evidence had been lead to bin Laden lead
anything
but was also counterproductive there was a guy that we did a the Egyptian
authorities on our behalf to
Inc such expensive torture out that we get a big execution over we buried him
alive
and he really believe that we were just gonna bury a man that that was said
and he said okay fine what do you want to know okay fine but we did it with
iraq
I think that's what you want to hear fine we did with iraq. and they use that
as well maybe some evidence
to attack iraq and later of course it turned out that the he was lying and he
was lying so he wouldn't be buried alive
okay her right so I gotta tell
Dubai if I gave a shit about keeping the country safe and not letting us in the
wrong words in Satara
i would tell the CIA well you been monumentally bloodshed
for the last ten years and you made that you're not maybe country saber you made
it less safe
okay so you want to go to war %uh the president the United States
let's have added Haus because my job is to make sure
we people say because this is it targeted
brian is right okay I know how that's that's the
the brand you want to protect this matters
okay and what matters is getting the policy right
so people don't get killed but he doesn't have that kind of courage
or conviction or predilection and he has preferences that he constantly
Bay ignores because it would be annoying you would be a little trouble