- Trust, I think.
Because he's a rescue bird, he was abused,
and he's terrified of hands.
So, when I first got him, you couldn't touch him at all.
And now you can, but you can't actually touch his feathers.
He also doesn't bathe,
so I would say he's had some sort of fright with water.
- [Woman] The woman who had him admitted
she'd left him in the bath just sitting
in a small container like that for two weeks
with just a pile of seed,
and she'd throw the cage at the wall with him in it.
(people gasping) And she threw him at the wall.
But, yeah. - Yeah, it was pretty awful.
He's very-- - She--
- So, there's a lot of areas, like, incredibly--
- Well, he's very, yeah, he's come such a long way
since then. - He was terrified.
- Yeah, you couldn't go near him.
(upbeat music)
- I love to start with target training
because, one,
it's how we've got a lot of people's birds out of trees.
So, when the bird gets loose and flies off on accident,
'cause it's usually a matter of if, or when, not if.
Then we use the target training
to use his mental misdirection to get the bird
to come down and touch the stick, versus,
"I can't fly, I can't figure out how to get down to you."
Also, since he has some fear of hands,
this is a great way to handle him hands-off,
get him in and out of places.
And also, probably the most important thing,
teaches him that we speak the same language,
through training.
So, if you wanna go and set him down.
- Sorry, do you wanna--
(clicker clicks)
- [Dave] He's very responsive to that.
(clicker clicks) (clicker clicks)
(clicker clicks) - There you go.
Do you notice when he started to move that way,
just naturally,
but then when you put the stick there,
he made a little more assertive effort to get there?
- Yeah. - So, it's good to see
that he's trained enough to wanna touch the stick.
See if, while he's at that end,
(Khush clicks)
you can get him to chart it over here.
- Sure. (ringtone chiming)
- [Dave] So, I wasn't sure if he was moving towards you,
or-- - Okay.
- [Dave] But, yeah, that's really clear target
for the stick.
(clicker clicks)
- [Haley] Ta.
Sorry, that's habit (chuckles).
- [Dave] So, another thing
that's really good about clicker training,
is that if he's afraid of men,
I could do the target with him, have him touch the stick.
If he's afraid of kids,
Capri could come up with the stick and have him touch.
He's turning 'cause I'm playing with it.
(people chuckling)
Like, Capri could have it there,
and so you can use it to help him overcome these fears
of men or of hands, by giving him confidence through,
"Oh, I know how to do that."
- [Haley] Yeah, yeah.
- [Jamieleigh] The other thing she wanted to work on
was bathing. - Yes, Dave.
- Do we wanna try any of that?
- [Dave] If you want to, and I'll just switch to film.
(clicker clicks)
- [Jamieleigh] Sure, do you wanna work on bathing?
- Sure, yeah.
- Do you think he'd be receptive?
He seems receptive for treats.
- Yeah, I'd really like to, yeah.
- All right, so you can put the stick away.
Not that far away, just put it in your back pocket.
- Oh. (Jamieleigh chuckles)
(bird screeches) - We won't need it.
(Haley chuckles)
All right, so have you done anything with a spray bottle--
- No. - With him.
Nothing. - No, nothing.
- So, he's never heard it? - No, no.
- Okay, so I'm gonna spray it,
and as long as he doesn't really react.
Which way am I gonna spray this?
Okay, I'm gonna spray it this way.
And if he doesn't react, or just wait for calm,
then you're gonna click and give a treat.
All right, so the main goal is to teach him
to relax and calm quicker.
So, each time we should see
that he relaxes quicker, and quicker, and quicker.
- Okay. - Okay?
- All right. - So, I'm gonna spray.
(spray bottle clicks)
If this thing would work. - Yeah, there.
(spray bottle puffs) - Okay, here we go.
- [Dave] He didn't care.
(spray bottle clicks) (water puffs)
- Nope, just click and reward.
(clicker clicks)
- [Dave] Shit, well that's easy.
(Jamieleigh chuckles softly) - Yeah.
I thought we'd be starting way further back with him.
- Oh, really? - Based on the trauma, yeah.
Just based on a lot of trauma. - He's a good boy.
He's got a lot of potential, this one.
But they all do, hey? (bird squeaks)
He's a bit special.
- [Jamieleigh] Okay, well,
I'm gonna push it closer to him this time,
where it's not gonna spray completely over him.
I'm gonna shoot it up,
but it should trickle down and just barely hit him,
and we'll see if we get a response to that.
- [Haley] That's why I didn't pull the almonds out.
- Okay, so he looks interested.
(spray bottle clicks)
- Ooh, did you spray it? - Good.
That's a bathing response. (feathers rustle)
- Oh! - Good, click, click, click!
(clickers clicks) Yeah.
Do you see the bathing response?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's what we really want.
- 'Cause-- - Normally,
I wouldn't see that till a little bit, like, further reps,
but he really doesn't seem that--
- No. - Phased by it.
- [Haley] So, why wouldn't he,
why doesn't he bathe on his own?
Is it because he wasn't taught, or--
- Can we get a-- (feathers rustling)
- Oh! - Click?
(clicker clicks) - Reward.
So, I worked with an Alexandrine--
- He wants more. - Who didn't bathe.
(spray bottle clicks) (clicker clicks)
- Oh, too soon, sorry. - So, hold on.
We don't want the,
you already did it, you gotta get the treat.
- [Haley] Yeah, sorry.
(gentle music)
- Tired. - Yeah.
(women chuckling)
So, I worked with an Alexandrine who was horrified of water,
and I had to work with it,
where it was like,
the spray bottle could just be in the room,
he could be okay with the sound of the spray bottle,
so I thought we were dealing a little further back.
Anyways, what eventually ended up happening,
was I would train him to like bathing via the spray bottle.
(spray bottle clicks)
(clicker clicks) Wait.
You gotta wait.
- Oh, I did it again. - Did you give the treat?
- [Dave] Why don't you steal the clicker from her?
- Yeah, give me the clicker. - Yeah (chuckles).
- Good job. - Good try.
- You're fired. (Haley laughs)
- [Haley] I can't see when it's hitting him.
- [Jamieleigh] It's not about when the water's hitting him.
- Right, when he-- - It's about his response,
or lack of response, to the water.
- [Haley] All right, I'm with you, I'm with you.
- So-- - Sorry, I misunderstood.
- [Jamieleigh] If I spray you with the water,
and your response is that,
I don't wanna click that. - Yeah, sure.
- [Jamieleigh] I want you to be like--
- Can we see that? - Oh, that wasn't too bad.
- No! (women laugh)
- I thought about it.
I was like, "Keep clicking." (spray bottle puffs)
So, it's his response to the water--
- [Haley] Yeah, okay, I've got it.
- [Jamieleigh] That I'm clicking and rewarding.
- That's the behavior I want. - Got it.
- [Jamieleigh] It's not based on anything else.
So, I see the feathers toying with going up.
(spray bottle puffs)
(clicker clicks)
'Kay.
So, it was that mellow, non-reaction.
I'm looking at the feathers.
I'm watching them, whether they fluff, or they streamline.
Like, I would hate it if he was standing up tall,
like, "Gosh, this sucks,"
or shifting movement.
But he's relaxing after a little bit.
But I also don't wanna click
right when he is noticing it, either.
Because that's not--
- [Haley] Oh, so just when he's settled down,
and that's how you train-- - Yeah,
that's not necessarily calm.
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
(door banging) (muffled voices talking)
(door creaking)
(muffled engine roaring)
A little too many distractions for me to read that.
(clicker clicks) - 'Kay.
- Good boy.
- So, he doesn't seem bothered.
(bird squeaks) - No.
- At all, so that's kinda what I was going for,
but he was also alert into whatever was happening
from the other room,
so I wanna make sure that I'm not...
I want calm, non-responsive.
I don't really want the alertness.
(chuckles) Now he's like, "Spray me so I can get my treat."
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
(Jamieleigh sighs)
(Khush squeaks)
(clicker clicks) Okay.
So, what I really like,
is that he's not showing any signs of discomfort.
He's not walking away to get away from the spray.
Now he's actually looking at me like, "Ya gonna do it?"
(women chuckling)
'Cause he knows a treat comes.
Eventually, what happened with me training this
with the Alexandrine I worked with, Rasta,
the bathing became so self-reinforcing
that anytime I brought out the spray bottle,
he immediately went to a water dish
and started bathing as well,
and then I would just add on, and he was just loving it.
- [Haley] Ah, okay.
- [Jamieleigh] So, that's the point
that you eventually get to, is like,
you could come over and give him a spray,
and that will immediately trigger him, like,
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, I wanna go take a bath."
You could give him an almond at the end of it.
(feathers rustling)
(spray bottle puffing) (clicker clicks)
(phone buzzing)
Yeah, that's really good,
'cause I'm getting a bathing response.
(spray bottle puffing)
(clicker clicks)
That time he drank it.
(women laughing) Did you guys see that?
- [Capri] Yeah, he's like, "Tea time."
- So, he's really relaxed about it.
He's really, really great about it.
- [Haley] Yeah, that's good, isn't it?
- He's watching for-- (spray bottle puffing)
- [Man] Yeah, we'll go from--
(spray bottle puffing drowns out muffled talking)
(Khush squeaks)
- You drinking it? - Yeah, he keeps drinking it.
(clicker clicks)
- [Haley] Good boy, Khush, good boy.
- Think he wants more. - Mm-hmm.
- [Jamieleigh] Doing it while he was moving.
(spray bottle puffing)
Well, no, move away.
(feathers rustling) (clicker clicks)
- Go.
- Good boy, Khush.
- [Dave] Probably end there.
- So, we're gonna end it there.
But that was really amazing for a first session.
- That was good, thank you.
- Yeah, he's like, (gasps).
- Yeah, (chuckles) "Can I have more?"
(Haley chuckling drowns out Jamieleigh talking)
- Yeah, and I was playing with the amount,
to see where the boundary is, do you know what I mean?
So, I got to push that, and see where is the boundary?
How many, how wet does it get to where he was like, "Mm."
But he wasn't trying to get away.
He wasn't stressed out about it.
He wasn't flying off.
So, that subtle, like, here is the boundary,
is great to communicate to me,
so I can be like, "Ah, okay."
- [Haley] You're so good to me, Jamie.
- [Jamieleigh] Oh, what am I doing?
(women chuckling) - I'm gonna bath!
- Okay, so that's a big reaction.
- Does Jamie need a clicker?
Oh, she's got one for her. (clicker clicks)
- Okay.
(spray bottle puffs)
(feathers rustling) (clicker clicks)
- So, it's happening a lot faster.
(Haley mumbling) (spray bottle puffing)
(clicker clicks) - Ha, ha, ha, there we go!
(spray bottle puffs)
(door chimes) (Khush squeaks)
(spray bottle puffs)
(clicker clicks)
- So, that time I was rewarding moreso for not leaving.
(spray bottle puffs)
(clicker clicks)
(spray bottle puffs)
(clicker clicks)
(spray bottle puffing) - He's really happy.
(spray bottle puffs)
(clicker clicks)
- [Haley] So, you're waiting for him to really,
sort of, fluff up, hey?
That bathing-- - It really depends.
If he goes away from me,
I'm waiting for a sign of content with the water,
which is more of that bathing response.
If he comes near me,
then sometimes I'm rewarding
for just staying near me for the bathing.
Depends on how hard I'm pushing.
Right now, I'm pushing pretty hard.
(clicker clicks)
So, I'm rewarding for him coming back to me,
versus fleeing. - I see, right.
(muffled voices talking)
(spray bottle puffing)
(bird whistles)
(door chimes) (clicker clicks)
- [Haley] That's good.
(spray bottle puffs)
(clicker clicks)
He liked that.
Good, Khush.
(spray bottle puffs)
And that's the hard thing about capturing,
is we kinda have to alter as we go,
to see what the bird is offering.
(sighs cheerfully) You saw that I was gonna click you.
(Haley chuckles)
He was like, "I'm gonna fluff!" (chuckles)
(spray bottle clicks) (spray bottle puffs)
So, I'm gonna push a little bit more.
(feathers rustling) (clicker clicks)
(Jamieleigh chuckles)
- [Dave] It's a quick fluff, but--
(women chuckling)
- [Jamieleigh] It's 'cause I interrupted the other one
by moving and anticipating, and he's like,
then he anticipated the treat,
where it was like,
"No, we were anticipating you doing your thing!"
(Haley chuckles)
So, yeah. (spray bottle puffing)
Wow.
- [Haley] That's awesome.
(clicker clicks) - Good job.
- [Haley] Good boy, Khush.
- [Jamieleigh] So, I'm pushing.
I'm seeing how many sprays I can get
without him moving away, versus moving close,
versus having a reaction, and he's...
(spray bottle puffing) (spray bottle clicking)
So, you can see at four he's moving away,
but we're gonna need a fluff.
(clicker clicks) - You're a good boy.
So, next time, but I think it's sneaky.
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
(Jamieleigh chuckles)
- [Dave] We're at the jackpot here.
- [Jamieleigh] Yeah, I would love
to see him come near me after that.
- [Blonde Woman] That's a bigger reward for him.
(clicker clicks)
- [Jamieleigh] So, go ahead and give him a few,
or a bigger one.
- [Haley] Good, Khush, good boy.
Good boy.
- [Jamieleigh] Yeah, so what I would really love,
is if I'm constantly spraying,
and instead of walking away he actually comes towards me,
in it, 'cause then he's getting more wet,
and I really love that. - And he's liking it, yeah.
- [Jamieleigh] You ready?
Yeah? (spray bottle puffing loudly)
Or if he fluffs during all this.
(clicker clicks)
That's fine.
So, that was less of a content fluff,
because the initial one is like a big thing.
That could be kind of like, "Get the water off of me."
(clicker clicks)
- [Haley] Well, now I'm getting soaked (chuckles).
- [Jamieleigh] So, I wanna be careful
that not all of 'em are like that.
But he also came towards me at the same time,
so I'm kind of like-- - Yeah.
- [Jamieleigh] Didn't wanna blow it out,
wanted to see what I could get.
Another thing I started playing with at some point,
I don't even know which point I started doing it,
but I started playing with spraying him
while he's eating the food,
so that there's that association.
- [Haley] He's not minding it.
- [Jamieleigh] No, he's not minding.
What's that?
Did you say something?
- No. - Oh.
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
- [Blonde Woman] I think he's enjoying it.
- Yeah, I think he is, yeah. (clicker clicks)
- There we go. - Good boy.
- [Jamieleigh] So, now my new standard is, like,
I don't want just the head shake.
I want, like, the full fluff or really coming close to me,
which he's catching on to.
- [Blonde Woman] His eyes are pinning.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
So cool.
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing loudly)
- Good-- (clicker clicks)
- [Haley] Where's the treat, yeah? (chuckles)
- [Jamieleigh] So, you can see, he's as far close
to me as possible.
So, he's really understanding,
and you guys are hearing how I'm changing
what I'm clicking for.
He seems to be catching on to all those little nuances.
That's how clear this is for communication.
- [Haley] Nah, that's good.
- [Jamieleigh] And how easy it is
to change what you're saying.
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
You're gonna be so wet by the end of this.
(Haley chuckling)
(bird squeaks)
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing)
(clicker clicks)
(Dave chuckles) (woman chuckles)
I feel like he made this look too easy (laughs).
These guys are smart, they'll see.
(spray bottle clicking) (spray bottle puffing loudly)
- [Capri] I hope you get your nice clean floor.
(women chuckling)
- [Haley] There's so much 'round your ears.
- [Capri] It's cute.
(feathers rustling) (clicker clicks)
(Dave chuckles)
- Probably wrap that up. (bird squeaks)
- [Jamieleigh] Yeah, I think that's a great one to end on.
- [Haley] Good boy, good boy.
- You can give him a-- - Good boy.
- [Jamieleigh] Big ol' nut, or whatever he really likes.
- [Haley] Good boy, hey?
- [Jamieleigh] But I don't think
you're gonna have any problems doing that at home.
- Yeah. - No, good boy.
- [Jamieleigh] He's being super great about it.
- [Haley] Yeah, definitely.
- And he really understands that clicker.
Like, he caught on to all the little nuances
that I was going for,
and you guys can probably see that I was really pushing,
'cause I'm like, 'kay,
now where is the new boundary? (Khush squeaks)
'Cause you saw that boundary
in the last session,
where he walked away and didn't come back.
I was like, 'kay, there is the line.
This time I didn't get that,
so I was pushing.
I was like, "Where's the boundary?"
And he didn't show me that there was one,
so this is really, really cool.
- And that's good.
I might get him clean, eventually.
- He's pretty wet. (women laughing)
- So-- - The other thing
is to always make sure that when you're spraying,
I'm spraying up, so it's trickling down.
I'm not just like, "Here, sucker!"
(women laughing)
Yeah, so I'm gonna leave him wanting more,
'cause he's obviously,
he's like, "Let's go do this." - Beautiful, mm-hmm.
(water trickling) (bird squawking)
- [Khush] Wow!
(bird squawking)
(cheerful music)