hey guys it's jack with kapwing and today i am here with my best friend amy
welcome to behind the screens oh that's a good name thank you that is so good
why are you acting shocked like you haven't heard of it before i actually it's my favorite show
shout out to kapwing we're in the kapwing cinematic universe it's as big as marvel
hi i'm amy ordman i am a lesbian youtuber here in l.a
that's it it sounded like you were gonna say more um i had that gay meme do you if you remember some
people still send me that at times the gay meme yes maybe i'm not a lesbian yeah i'm not a lesbian
okay maybe i am a lesbian yeah and um people still send me that let's get into our 10 questions in 60
seconds are you ready we're going fast okay oh no i forgot 60 seconds do your best australian accent
g'day mate i can't believe that i don't have an accent anymore if you could meet one gay person
other than me who would it be the only person who's come to my head is not even a lesbian you
don't have to be lesbian gay person she's not gay either okay you don't want to meet any gay people
i know them all do your best american accent so i just wanted to get a burger at this party
because i'm so hungry do you consider yourself a gay icon um yeah
yes why is broccoli the worst vegetable i like broccoli yum yum who is someone who is not gay
who you would consider a gay icon pink natasha leone how many hours per day do you spend on
social media a lot too many finish the lyric i'm beautiful in my way cause god makes no
mistakes i'm on the right track baby i was born to say what was your least favorite part
about having a podcast with me um last question gay rights wrong okay shout out to gay people
so as you guys can see we're talking a lot about gayness today because it's pride month happy pride
month happy pride month are you proud absolutely that's awesome all the time 365 baby so i want
to dive into what that's like to be a lgbtq creator so we've done podcasting you've done
a youtube channel a lot of it's queer centered how did you decide to make your content mostly
surrounded about the like gay identity i guess i didn't decide that i think because i am gay and
i only hang out with gay people the content i feel like could be replicated in a straight way as well
so it's like meet my girlfriend a street person could do that my ex crushes break down why it
didn't work out that could also work great yeah so i think i'm just like doing content that is just
top of mind and i happen to be gay so i'm just like also showing that you're just a normal girl
yeah i'm just a girl do you feel like your content that you make is like activism in a way well i'm
definitely not like an activist in this sense of like i'm like gay rights but i think that there
is obviously just like the representation that's happening just so naturally that i think that's
just as important it's nuanced yeah and normalized yeah totally like i'm have
literally zero shame about being gay and i know that like a lot of younger people who maybe
live in like more rural areas probably it's like drilled into them that you know being gay is wrong
and i grew up in a very liberal place with very liberal parents so i never had that you know
like internalized homophobia so i think maybe seeing someone who's just like so comfortable
just doing whatever is like a good thing yeah it's for like young gay kids they can see the future
almost about like this is what life could be like right right totally it is pride month pride month
to me is about celebrating the wins that we have already won for gay rights but also about pushing
the gay agenda further and yes there is the gay agenda yes and i'm leading it i wanted to know
like what you think could be improved about gay representation in media like gays playing gays
so true i want to see that so true only and i want to see it like written directed by queer people
as well so true and yeah if you think about like call me by your name like none of them
are queer then what are they doing and we're like yes and then throwing money at them yeah
and i would like to see more diversity also in it it doesn't need to just be like straight i mean
not straight straight white gaze just like cis white thin there's so many more types of people
yeah i also think like speaking of actor gay actors playing gay roles i think there's a lot
of stereotype also about like if you come out as gay and you are an actor it's really hard to ever
get straight roles again because they're like thinking like there's something off about you
right but then look at timothy chalamet he's doing fine he's not gay oh that's so true
that's why he's doing fine probably makes you think why are we like gays have to play gays
but then we're also like gays can play straights um i don't think it would be a problem if gays
were playing straights often like if like if that were also a normal thing if gays aren't getting
gay roles and they also can't get straight roles then they're not getting any roles right so like
right now save the queer roles for the queer people ultimately i would love for
everyone to be compelling anything you know what i mean right but then there is something about
like having a queer person play a queer character that just makes it so much more authentic for me
well but you just said natasha leone and that's uh right she's not gay right she just played it
well she's just a good actress you know what i mean yeah so i think it's possible to like play
and a girl can dream and a girl can dream right what have you noticed since maybe you were younger
about like how that has already changed queer people in media do you see more representation
um yeah right definitely yeah um good answer i feel like now that like social media is so
relevant like it's so easy to find young queer people on like tik tok or like um that you relate
to for like young kids or for youtubers there's a whole community where i feel like maybe like 20
years ago there wasn't it wasn't easy to find like gay people who were like you who weren't just who
weren't like that one gay person that everyone knows like ellen you know right oh like hannah
that's who i grew up watching yeah yeah there was like just a few who like and they were they were
around but now it's like much more natural i feel like yeah yeah i don't know so that's what i've
noticed since growing up is that like at least on tick tock like on my fyp it's like oh just like
normal gay people yeah yeah i mean oh a hundred percent like the whole internet is gay yeah and
then when we were younger it was like just hannah hart and tyler oakley yeah but you're more than
just gay okay i think you're also a really cool creator and you have a really cool story
what you are so you're being so sweet i should come to kapwing more often yeah you should
so you're a full-time content creator online you had a crazy story of moving across the globe to do
this yeah can you tell us a little bit about that story and like what made you decide to do that
i went to university in australia and i just remember this one professor saying like if you
want to work in the industry get out of australia geez i feel like america has the dreams you know
it's like oh you go to america and like make your life whatever yeah so i always just wanted
to move here and i didn't know if i was going to move to new york or los angeles but then
all the youtubers were moving to los angeles so i was like okay i want to do that so i'm
going to go there follow the formula yeah yeah exactly i had 4 000 subscribers and one friend
in san diego that was me and i didn't know anyone else in los angeles so i packed up two suitcases
it was really really tough yes it was so tough i got immediately scammed by this lady on craigslist
i didn't have any place to stay i didn't have anything set up for when i got here i didn't have
a job didn't have a place to stay i was like i'll just get there and i'll figure it out which is
you're amazing yeah it's crazy i don't know what that's all about and then i started like uploading
three times a week it's so crazy and my first video that went like kind of viral whatever it
got like 100 000 views or something was when i was cutting my hair it was like two paw oh my god and
i couldn't afford a haircut and i really needed it so i gave myself a haircut you were on facetime
even mm-hmm i was involved yeah you're involved in these videos seriously and then um slowly
but charlie my videos started kind of taking off it was a scrambling seriously yeah that's i was
uploading like twice a week for a really really long time and that's because i like had no money
yeah seriously and i still feel like i am hustling it totally is i don't know it's like every kid's
sort of like youtube dream you just like went for it
like what advice would you give to kids who like want to do internet things like that i
don't know if this is good advice okay but this is just what i always thought only have a plan a
yeah okay because if you only have a plan a you have to make it work right have like a dream
of what you want your life to look exactly like and have like a trajectory of how exactly you're
going to get there and just manifest on that believe in yourself if you can stream it you
can achieve it hustle it's not going to be easy it was not easy you have to want it really bad
you do have to want it but i always just thought this is my this is it this is my plan i only have
one plan so i don't know if that's good advice but that's what i think it worked for you yeah do
you still think that now you have to live in like certain cities to be successful online no i think
tick tock is showing that absolutely not people are sick of just like the white yeah l.a content
yeah it's like we've seen it it's old and crusty yeah um i just continue to live here because my
all my friends are well i love your story i love that i was able to see all of it happen in real
time i know what how do you feel how do i proud of you i'm proud of us both were you watching like oh
my god what's gonna happen next watching your life yeah well i think in a way yes but i don't think
that's bad like i think i was just like i was like she's so brave and like whatever happens i still
expected you to be able to make it work no matter what you did or whatever um because like in my
head like nothing on the internet is forever but like you just keep changing or you keep like right
making it work or you change directions or you help someone else do something i don't know
there's like so much opportunity there to like once you have the skill set to like apply that to
so many things right you have to you have to grow and change now i feel like we have the skills like
we can forever apply those to anything so i'm not like afraid for you or i i'm just proud ah
amy yes it has been a pleasure thank you for coming on behind the screens where can people
find more of you everywhere at amy ordman thank you guys for watching another episode of behind
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i am always doing some crazy crazy stuff i'll see you guys in the next one bye amy bye you