- You gave me a nine and you gave me a one.
- Oh!
(laughing)
- He like watches sports for fun.
That's not gay.
(inquisitive music)
- [Interviewer] On a scale of one to ten,
how gay are you?
- Uh, 100.
And I'm a drag queen, so. (laughs)
That's just it.
- I would say like a seven.
I feel like other people would say higher,
but I don't think I'm that gay.
- [Interviewer] Today,
you are going to rank a group of gay men
on how gay they are.
- Oh shit! (laughs)
- [Interviewer] What makes on person
more gay than the other?
- I mean there's all sorts of different things.
There's like a whole language we've developed
to communicate with each other
where we're using signals.
Clothing, articles of accessories,
all sorts of ways.
- [Interviewer] Let's bring our first person out.
- Bring out the homos!
- Oh shit! 10, 11.
I think just got gayer.
- We're just gonna say 10 right off the bat.
There are plenty of visual indicators.
The shorts being number one.
Number two,
I think there's flawless makeup going on here.
- Thank you. - [Tom] So yeah, exactly.
- Face dead, hair dead, everything dead.
10.
- A 10.
He's not really my type.
- (laughs)
What is your type, Curtis?
- Like a big daddy.
- (scoffs) Bye.
- Bye.
That was sassy.
- Hi.
- Hello.
- How's it going?
- Nice to meet you. Cameron. - You too.
I'm gonna go with like three.
- Oh god.
- Two.
- (laughs)
- A one.
Honestly if I was to walk down the street
and see you,
I'd be like "maybe, maybe not".
- Have you been to an anime convention before?
- I have.
- Okay. - I went to the one here,
and then I just moved here from Texas.
- Oh, Texas. (exhales)
Okay.
I came up in Alaska,
and so like many of us dabbled
with the ladies first,
maybe dressed like this,
but you've moved to the city now,
and the city's gonna start to influence him,
but right now there's a lot of country in this boy,
so he's a six.
- Immediately, I'm gonna go like kind of
in the middle.
The fingernails are painted,
but like the shoes are a little dirty.
- (laughs)
Oh.
(chuckles)
- I'm gonna give you an eight.
- Okay.
- This is a very athletic outfit.
Someone's very flexible, I'm guessing.
- (laughs)
Do you want me to lift a leg? - Uh wow.
That leg wanted to go
behind his head, so. - No (laughs).
- (clicks tongue) Eight.
- Let's see.
I'll look here.
- Can you twirl for the camera?
Because this is some booty.
- (laughter backstage) Yeah. Yeah.
Are you a top or a bottom? - Do you wanna touch it?
- Oh yeah, I mean Jesus.
(giggles) That is muscle.
Yeah I'm gonna put him at an eight.
That butt is ready for it.
- If you were in the gym,
you'd be wearing booty shorts for sure.
- It's true. - Yeah for sure.
I can see it.
I'm gonna say you're like a solid nine.
Yeah, and you're like giggly and like I know.
You're a gay guy.
- (laughs) - Yeah.
- You are very masculine.
- You blend pretty well.
- Blend with who?
- (whispering) Straight people.
I'm gonna go with five.
- A two.
- One.
You just look like every other like
older straight man gentleman.
- I spent most of my life pretending.
- Okay. - And hiding who I was.
- How long have you been out of the closet?
- Seven years.
- Do you have any kids?
- Yes I do.
- That must have been hard.
Dealing with all that.
- Yes.
- I can't imagine.
Thank you.
- I would say he does not look super gay to me.
I would guess pretty low.
Maybe like a two.
- Can we do like a talking test?
- [Interviewer] Yes.
- The quick red fox
jumped over the lazy brown dog.
- The quick red fox
jumped over the lazy brown dog.
- There's a little like, inflection.
Seven.
- Have you ever done drag?
- No I haven't.
- Okay. - But I wish I would.
- What did you study?
- I studied public health.
- A lot of focus on HIV/AIDS activism potentially?
- That's one of them.
- So this is pretty gay
but not like neon short shorts gay.
- Oh. - This is different gay.
This is activist gay.
This is awesome.
I'm gonna give you an eight,
and I think you can graduate to a 10
if you, ya know, maybe try that drag out next time.
- Yeah.
I gotta study a little more.
- Right?
(clicking tongue)
- Are you gay?
- Yeah.
(laughs) - I'm so confused.
- Yeah.
- Like I would not know, okay.
Right off the bat,
I would give you probably like a one.
- Nine.
To the naked, un-queer eye, they'd be like
"oh it's like this casual kind of sloppy look",
but there's a lot of cute detail into it.
- First of all,
your style gives me very dancer.
I don't know if you've ever danced before but-
- (snapping) - (laughing)
You're definitely a ten.
- I'm feeling this blouse.
- Thank you. - Hello.
Is it vintage?
- Yeah it's vintage. - Okay, yeah.
This is real gay.
- What do you like to do for fun?
- I do drag for fun.
- 10.
- [Interviewer] Because?
- Drag. (laughs)
- (giggles) Yeah.
- You're really giggly
and like (mock giggles) tee hee.
Which is like pretty gay to me.
- (laughs)
- Like that, did you see?
- You've got like the whole package, I think.
Cute style, cute little twinky hair going,
sparkly eyeballs.
I'm gonna go with 10 on this one.
- 10.
Yeah, this is as gay as it comes.
- [Interviewer] You guys, I'm sorry,
introduce yourselves.
- Hey, I'm Tom.
- I'm Dominic.
- Nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you.
- [Interviewer] Now we're gonna bring people out
and we're gonna talk about the numbers
that you gave them.
- Oh okay.
- Hey. - Hi Ray!
- [Interviewer] Do you remember what they gave you?
- Tens.
I have a mirror at home,
I believe that's accurate.
- Yeah you're proud of like
who you are. - (mumbles)
- Yeah, obviously no shame.
- Was there ever a time where you-
- Yeah of course.
I mean, I grew up super conservative Christian,
so I would never have believed that I would
be standing here like this.
- Hi! - Hello.
- I got a one from you,
and I got a six from this side.
- (laughs) - Girl!
- Are you out?
- About two weeks ago,
I accidentally posted on Facebook
our relationship stuff,
and I'm visiting my family this weekend.
- Are people staying calm? Do you feel safe?
Or do you feel like you're going
into like a shit storm?
- 50/50.
Do you feel like their opinion of you
drives the way you dress and act
and present yourself? - Yes.
That's the biggest thing,
like why you see me like this.
I had some outfits laid out on my bed,
and then I was like
"I can't wear this."
(laughs)
- (mumbles) - I was like
"I can't let my mother think of me this way".
- (mumbling) - In the middle.
- Been there before.
(laughter)
- [Interviewer] Rate your own self right now.
- I would probably give myself like an eight plus.
- Can you tongue pop?
(clicks tongue)
- Not bad. - Close. That was all right.
It was okay. - Yeah, yeah.
- Here's the daddy.
- Oh. (clicks tongue)
I gave you a seven. - And nine.
- Okay.
You love it. Are you not?
- I think I'm a five.
- You think you're a five?
- Yeah. I like to go in between.
There are times where I like to be masculine,
times I like to be feminine.
- I mean what's weird is like
when I tell people what my type is,
they don't believe me,
but like-
- What is your type?
- Like-
(laughter from backstage)
Like a big black beefcake daddy.
(laughter)
Ooh!
- You gave me a five. - I gave you a five.
- And he gave me a one.
- (gasps) - (laughs)
- And I feel I'm much closer to the one.
- Oh. - Much closer to the one
- (gasps) That's hot. - than I would never be
to the five.
- Why do you feel more comfortable as a one?
- I've spent 50 sum' years playing a role,
and I feel very comfortable in that role.
- Are you a one in private,
or just- - Definitely not.
- I'd go with an eight or nine.
- Ooh. - Yeah.
So you gave me a one, do you date ones?
Especially older ones?
- Oh my god, are you flirting with me?
- No, not at all. - (laughs)
He was definitely flirting with you.
- Yeah yikes.
- I was a three when I first came in,
and I was like
"Oh okay. That's a little low." Yeah.
- What do you think you are?
- Probably like a nine.
- Oh really? - Yeah.
I think it changed when I started
watching Drag Race. - Yeah.
- Like I avoided watching Drag Race
for the longest time.
I was like "this is so gay". - (laughs)
- And then I was like
"oh wait, this is internalized homophobia".
And then I started watching it,
and I'm like I'd rather just be more gay.
- So much fun.
- It's so much more fun. - (laughs)
- It's so much more fun.
- You gave me a nine, and you gave me a one.
- Oh! - (laughs)
(mumbles) as a nine?
- Girl.
- What?
- That's SuperSonics.
- I know but it's like a fun nod to sports
not like he actually follows-
I mean you may actually follows sports.
- I do. - He does.
He like watches sports for fun.
That's not gay.
- I don't think there should be a spectrum
of being gay.
- I think you're right,
and I think outside of the sake of this exercise
we're all just fucking gay people.
- I don't think there's anything gayer than like
a dude liking dick.
(laughs) - Right.
That's just super gay.
The blouse is back.
- Welcome back. - Hello.
- How did you feel about what we rated you?
- I feel like it was accurate.
I would rate myself like a 10, so.
- If you could rate us, how would that go?
- Tens, tens, tens across the board.
(laughs)
- [Interviewer] You guys, how was that?
- It was more fun when there were two of us.
- Yes. I felt more
comfortable. - And we could relate
a little more.
- I think I was surprised
that someone would self identify as a one.
I think I take so much pride
in being open about everything,
and I forget that that's a privilege.
So it's a reminder
that not everybody has had that right
or that privilege along the way.
- Exactly. Agreed.
- [Interviewer] Okay. Thank you.
(clapping)
- That one was fun. (chuckles)