When you talk about Shiva, there is no parentage. There is no place of birth. It’s very common
to refer to Shiva as Yakshaswarupa. Yakshas means always those kind of beings which are not human,
Kangna Ranaut: So, all the enlightened people who’ve been…
Sadhguru: How many did you meet?
Kangna Ranaut: Like I’ve heard about many. Like you know, say Krishna or Mohammad or Ram or Christ,
Buddha you know, all the enlightened people who’ve been on this planet,
there is some sort of mention of their birth or death. But when it comes to Shiva, like you say he… and
I’ve read that he was self-created. And I often ask you this question, that… that did he like
disappear into thin air and apparently something like that happened.
He couldn’t even have biological children with any of the women he was married to. Also he… he…
Sadhguru: At least you can't blame him for the population.
Kangna Ranaut: Sadhguru! I’m coming to something very important, there is a theory… (Laughter).
Sadhguru: I thought population was very important too.
Kangna Ranaut: No, no, no. There is a theory that Shiva is alien.
My favorite director Christopher Nolan made this film “Interstellar” which is one of my favorite films,
where they are constantly referring to certain beings as “they.” They are communicating,
they are talking to us, they are doing this but they never really clarified who they were,
like were they aliens, were they gods, who they were. And Sadhguru like I think I’ve felt it.
Like when any creative idea comes to me, it has absolutely no intellectual grounds
where I can go back and track it down. It’s literally like a mail dropped in my head.
It seems like it’s from an outside space…
Sadhguru: This is not a confession, don’t...
Kangna Ranaut: I know it’s a confession but… but Sadhguru is it that we are being
operated by an external sort of outside beings? Is it that ?
Sadhguru: Well, people who have no faith in human intelligence are looking up
that intelligence will come from somewhere else. What we need to understand is, see,
there are certain things which are very significant things in this country, which unfortunately
this present generation has completely forgotten or very few people are reminded,
and the rest of the world, some places they recognized, rest of the places, it’s not there.
What the thing is just this, here we considered things like this, for example in yoga,
we call your spine the center of the universe, we call it merudanda,
that means it’s the axis of the universe. What is a universe, please understand this.
Today scientists are admitting it is an endless universe. Forever we’ve been saying
it’s an ever expanding universe. So we said your spine is the axis of the universe, that sounds ridiculous.
Even without putting any load most people’s backs are hurting badly.
They can't even walk or run or do anything. If this becomes the axis of the universe, what’ll happen!
Why we’re saying this is, see, you know there is a universe or you think there is a universe
only by your experience, isn't it so? If you did not experience, if you could not see this,
if you could not see like this and feel like this, you wouldn’t know there is a universe.
Only because of your experience there is a universe, and the center
where your experience is being transmitted is through your spine. If we cut a few wires in your spine,
you’ll have no experience even of the body, forget about the universe.
So, because your ability to experience the universe is rooted and centered in your spine,
we are calling your spine as the axis of the universe. Suppose this hall…
See, now we know the boundaries of this hall. Now we can debate whether this is the center
of this hall or that is the center of this hall. Suppose there are no boundaries to this hall,
how would you decide which is the center of this hall? Where you are is the center of the hall, isn't it?
From this basis we developed a whole possibility for a human being,
how not just to believe these things but to make it into a living experience.
It is from this, the word yoga came, that the inclusiveness happens,
not because I tell you “oh, I love you, you love me” and all this stuff.
Inclusiveness happens, simply because you obliterate the boundaries of your individuality.
Not because I love you, you love me. I hug, you hug me, because we are inclusive. No!
All that will last for some time, tomorrow if they do something that you don’t like, it’ll be finished.
But you obliterate the boundaries of your individual nature, including your body that
you know how to sit here without being identified with the boundaries of who you are.
Your physical structure, your mental structure, your emotional structure has a boundary
it may be large or small. No, I’m not talking about body being large. It may be large or small,
but it has a boundary. But there are dimensions which have no boundary.
What doesn’t have a boundary is non-physical in nature.
So our focus is always been on that dimension which is non-physical.
That is why Shiva became the most important thing, because Shi-va means that which is not.
That which is non-physical. Now, the yogi that we are talking about, is he a human being,
did he come from somewhere else? See, there are things… As you said, there is no parentage.
When you talk about Shiva, there is no parentage. There is no place of birth.
Nobody saw him as a young boy to grow up. All the time when we saw him, he was about the same age.
And we don’t know where he died, such a significant human being even in those times,
if he died somewhere they should have built a temple, they should have built
some kind of a monument for him nothing like that happened.
So, there is no birth, there is no death, there is no parentage, there is no siblings,
there is no anything to prove that he was here. Does it mean to say we can assume
he came from somewhere? Not necessarily, but if you look at the lore,
it’s very common to refer to Shiva as Yakshaswarupa. This means Yakshas means always
those kind of beings which are not human, but who supposed to have existed
in the natural environment in this planet in the forest and other things.
Whatever we were referring to some kind of beings or creatures or whatever you want to call them,
who are not human in nature. So many, many times in the lore, you will see any number of songs
and other things talking about Shiva as a Yakshaswarupa.
So there are many things which point, but there is no specific proof that he came from elsewhere.