- I'm anti-vaccine.
- Anti-vaccine.
- I'm anti-vaccine.
- Anti-vaccine.
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- I am not vaccinated, and I haven't been vaccinated.
And I have two kids, they haven't been vaccinated either.
And that's all vaccines.
- The whole COVID plandemic kinda woke me up.
- It feels like discrimination
when I tell people that I'm anti-vax,
or I haven't been vaccinated.
- I am pro-life as well,
and a lot of the ingredients they put in it are fetal cells,
they've done testing with fetal cells.
For me personally, as a Christian,
I just don't agree with that.
- She came out really bold
and started saying a whole bunch of facts,
so that was kind of a red flag for me.
- I'm a pharmacist,
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and when they put in with the COVID vaccination,
I just felt really uncomfortable.
It's just made me
open my eyes to how many things are in vaccines
that how much we don't discuss them
in the medical community.
- My anti is toward COVID vaccines.
Actually, truth be told,
the rapid test we just took
was the first COVID test I've ever taken.
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I refuse to take a COVID test.
The vaccine was pushed so that they could rig the election,
and that's personally my belief.
- [Interviewer] So you believe the election was rigged?
- I believe it was, yes.
- [Interviewer] Cool.
- Growing up, I got most of my vaccines.
However, I especially did not want to get the COVID vaccine.
The media censorship was the biggest start to me,
kind of like he said, waking up to this.
- We know ourselves better than going into a doctor
who only sees us for a few minutes at a time.
- You said you were a pharmacist?
- Yeah.
- Did you leave your work?
You kind of implied that.
I don't know if you actually- - Yeah, yeah, yeah.
With the increase of the vaccine mandate,
and having it required for the rest of the chain.
So, I actually have a family member that does work from home
from an independent mail-order pharmacy,
and she got me a gig there.
And since then, things have been pretty chill.
- So you left willingly?
They didn't ask you to leave?
- Yeah.
- So I used to actually,
I started as a teacher in elementary school,
and they actually asked me to leave.
Because it was mandated that you had to be vaccinated
to be in like a group of kids.
So that was really frustrating for me,
because working with kids is a big passion of mine,
and the fact that I was fired from my career
just because of a personal choice is like,
really upsetting to me. - Yeah.
- So that's why I'm very passionate about this issue now.
- I was actually asked to leave nursing school.
I started for a month,
and then they accepted my religious exemption,
and then a month into it, said never mind.
So.
- Yeah, I lucked out 'cause I go to college in Oregon,
and at first, they were like,
"No, you can't come in here
without a vaccine" and everything,
but I was able to get the philosophical exemption.
And then they wanted to test me weekly.
And I was like, "No, I'm not doing that."
And then after kind of going back and forth,
they were like, "Okay, you're fine."
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- I wrote Brian
because in the waiting room, we were joking
that his name was Brian and not Ryan
and then I...
- [Interviewer] That's okay.
- Okay.
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- He was able to get a philosophical exemption,
which I had never heard of.
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- There's no way you could get away
with not having a COVID test.
- Most people have gone through at least one by now.
We've been, like, two years in.
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- I could not believe that I got voted out first round.
If anybody is the mole, it's not me.
That's for sure.
- [Nico] How has not being vaccinated affected
your guys' personal relationships?
Like friends and family?
- I had to miss a wedding that I was really excited for,
for one of my friends back in Indiana.
She ultimately decided to ask everyone to be vaccinated
because her grandparents were there,
which I completely understood,
but it was really heartbreaking
to not be a part of that special day with her.
- Yeah.
- One side of my family refused to see me.
So that was kind of disheartening.
And I feel like people tie certain political views
to my personal idea not to get vaccinated.
I'm not a right wing extremist,
which I feel like a lot of people are associating me with.
I am not just someone who is not vaccinated.
I actually have natural immunity.
I have contacted the virus before
and multiple studies have shown
that natural immunity actually lasts longer,
as far as resilience, to contacting COVID again.
The right to our own body
is the opposite of tyranny
that would normally be associated with that.
- Yeah. I'm very libertarian-leaning.
- Heck yeah. - So am I.
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- My ideas aren't like,
"I line up with a Republican or Democrat."
- [Katie] Yes. For me, it's just,
we should have the ability to, you know,
decide what we want to do.
- Yeah. And I just think it's scary too,
when the government starts to say
they're doing this for your own health and your safety.
- Yeah. - And it's just funny,
like, how all of a sudden
the government started caring about your health.
Wouldn't they have banned, like, smoking cigarettes?
Like, years ago? (participants agreeing)
Like, it just seemed like a lot of censorship too,
to not be able to like,
find any other information about like, side effects.
I have a few friends who had some bad side effects
but you can't, once you post that out there,
it's censored. - Censored, yeah.
- Even the VAERS report. - Yes.
- There's thousands of reports of people
with vaccine side effects
and people pretend like that's not a reality.
- And I think it's interesting
how they care about our health and everything,
but they say nothing about nutrition, sunlight,
- [Jenna] Yes! - [Mason] Working out.
working out, going to the gym, getting outside,
and being around people that love you and stuff like that.
Like, that's good for your health.
Instead they lock us in.
Into a room with artificial lighting, and paint,
and don't get sunlight, and don't get to talk to people.
Yeah, and then they put a mask on us,
which is not healthy at all.
- Nico was throwing out a lot of buzzwords.
He kept saying plandemic.
And I think he said jab.
Very much so, it looked like he was making a character,
and he was really trying to hit all the buttons.
I was teaching first grade.
And a lot of those kids, because of the COVID lockdowns,
they had never had any social experience
for the past two years.
And to act like that isn't detrimental
to their social health, to their mental health,
very frustrates me. - Where do you teach? What-
- San Bernardino County. - [Maddie] Okay.
- I was saying,
I personally don't think that it's really anybody's business
if I've been vaccinated or not.
And I don't think that I should not be able to
go certain places, eat certain places,
or even enroll my kids in school
because they haven't been vaccinated.
It's just not, it's not fair.
And it's really nobody's business.
It's my health, you know.
- You said none of your,
your kids don't have any vaccines right?
- Nope, I've never had- - How did that affect
their getting into school?
- Well they're three and two months.
- Oh, okay.
- So she's, they're not old enough yet.
But yeah, I haven't been vaccinated either,
and it it hasn't affected me in any way.
When I get sick,
I get sick for like one or two days and then I'm done.
(participants agree) - I'm back healthy.
And I only get sick maybe like two times a year.
- You said that you moved down to California.
- Yeah, yesterday.
- I'm trying to get out. - Yesterday?
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- I'm trying to get out of California.
- Yeah, no, me too.
- So why do you move to California?
If it's so hard to-
- For sure, yeah.
So, lived in Texas for like, 10 years,
then I moved to Oregon for school,
and then I got a job offer
as an internship here in California.
And honestly like, yeah,
all the mandates and everything, I don't like.
But, I mean, it's California.
It's kind of like
the dream to come live here, so.
- I'm trying to switch with you,
I wanna go to Texas.
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- Yeah, for sure.
- I'll take your old spot. (timer rings)
- I'll be back soon, for sure - I'll take your old spot.
- Yeah.
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- He went to university in Oregon,
and somehow wasn't required to get vaccinated there.
- Why would someone move
from a more conservative area to a liberal area
if they were anti-vax?
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- Dang.
- Bungalow after.
- [Interviewer] If you think the mole is still in the box,
and you'd like to continue playing the game,
please raise your hand.
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- Can I ask who everybody voted for in the elections?
(laughs) - I voted for,
Oh, you're talking about the actual election.
- Yes.
- Oh, I voted for Trump.
Again, I'm libertarian
(eagle noise) that isn't really my,
I'm not a Republican.
But he definitely was a better choice over what we have now.
- What about everybody else?
- Yeah,
I'm libertarian as well, (eagle noise)
and I actually believe that
neither of the candidates were good,
and I did not feel comfortable supporting either of them.
So I did not vote.
- Right. I didn't vote either.
I haven't voted in like, two years.
- Yeah, I haven't voted either.
I felt really uncomfortable
with just how nasty everything was getting,
everything kept getting more,
increasingly cloudy, I felt like,
as the election came closer and closer,
so I just didn't feel like I had enough information,
regarding either of them, to confidently cast a ballot.
- I get that.
I mean, they're both really divisive.
But, you know, the effects matter.
And seeing especially what's going on now.
I mean, we might not like either the candidates,
one of them is getting in.
And we gotta do our best, you know
to get the, the least of two peoples.
I think that is important.
- I mean, I personally voted for Trump.
I actually worked on his campaign
because I actually do,
I don't like everything he says,
but I like his policies.
And I believe that he allows people
to live their lives and doesn't try to get involved
with all of your business.
- Wait, so you said you worked on his campaign?
Did you,
you guys didn't have to get vaccinated for that, or?
- So that was the 2016 campaign.
- That's 2016, okay.
- I don't think he would have required it for the 2020 one?
But I worked at the 2016 one,
didn't do anything for the 2020.
- Asabi, I wanted to ask you more about your stance,
because we mentioned earlier that in general,
you don't feel like it's anyone's business.
We kind of touched on autonomy,
I wanted to hear more about why you specifically
decide not to vaccinate yourself and your children.
- So I grew up very religious, I guess you could say.
And my belief, like, vaccines are a no-go.
Like, we don't believe that
we should put, like, poison in our bodies.
And we think that we should just
handle everything in a holistic way, so.
- She was like,
"religion,
religious reason"
Is she thinking about this on the spot?
- And 1 Corinthians 2:5 says, you know,
our faith shouldn't be trusted in the wisdom of men,
but in the power of God. - Exactly.
- And so for me, it's like,
that doesn't mean that man has ultimate wisdom,
but what they try to push,
of like, "this is what you need to do."
Like, that automatically throws red flags for me.
- He used a Bible verse.
For me, that was like, okay,
he believes in kind of the same thing that I believe in.
Biblically speaking,
for me it's like, back when,
you know, when pharaohs, in those days,
they were killing babies.
And then with the vaccine, it's like,
I just don't trust it.
Because you're trying to mandate something
that could possibly harm or kill someone. And it's-
- As a Pharmacist,
I know how much big pharma puts money in.
It's constantly- - The left, for so long,
has been, "oh, we're against big pharma."
- I was gonna say that. - And then all of a sudden,
they jump in, and its like,
everyone needs to listen to what Pfizer says.
Everyone needs to listen to what Moderna and J&J-
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- She said that she was very much into
the pharmaceutical industry.
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- She kind of said she wasn't very political.
And I feel like at this point,
it is kind of a political statement
if you are not vaccinated.
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- [Interviewer] If you feel like the mole
is still in the box,
and you'd like to continue playing the game,
please raise your hand.
You need a majority vote.
And since there's just the two of you.
Instead we're gonna ask, can you share your suspicions?
Let's air it out and let's have a conversation.
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- [Mason] I know it was Nico, that's number one.
- [Katie] Yeah.
- Just because, I think he was throwing out buzzwords,
like he developed a character. - And he also talked about
how he didn't have to get the vaccine at first, in Oregon.
- I go to college in, uh, Oregon.
- I was pretty confident it was Nico.
I don't know who the other person would be.
I don't suspect anyone else. (suspenseful music)
- I think it was Ryan too, honestly.
Because Ryan, when he first said,
"this is the first COVID test I've ever taken."
I trust you.
I do trust you,
but you do seem very much like you've researched a lot.
- Neither of you guys voted in the election,
you said, correct?
- Right.
- I do find that kind of interesting
just because I feel like it is so polarized-
- I'm totally with you on that mentality.
But like, just being around a lot of libertarian circles,
(eagle noise) there are a lot of people,
and you guys both kind of said, you're libertarian-
(eagle noise) - I really don't,
I honestly don't really have a strong political view,
honestly.
- Where we are now in the world,
it almost is a statement to not be vaccinated.
Now, it's not just like,
"oh, I wasn't provided enough information, I wasn't,"
You can go to CVS and get it for free.
You are kind of making a political statement,
whether you like it or not.
If you aren't vaccinated.
- I assume most of us don't agree with the mainstream media
or like watch a lot of that,
because obviously there's a narrative that's pushed there.
So I was gonna ask,
what type of media outlets do you guys consume?
- I follow the daily wire, Matt Walsh,
Ben Shapiro, - [Ben] Wet ass p-word.
Candace Owens.
Those are probably, like, the people I listen to the most.
- The Daily Wire I've had a little bit of trouble with,
because Ben Shapiro has really promoted vaccines.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- Like, I do like- - Yeah,
I disagree with that part. - I like Candace Owens, but...
Yeah, I don't know,
I've kind of gone on and off of Ben Shapiro.
but I like Steven Crowder,
I like Dr. Robert Malone, Hank Pecker.
There's a lot of different streamers and media outlets
that I think do push a more like,
"you should be able to choose what you want
for your own body."
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- She worked in the medical field,
and that is an area where you do have to
typically be vaccinated.
- I think being anti-vax is a big political statement.
So that looked a little off to me.
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- I was pretty bummed.
I thought I had spoken pretty well about my beliefs,
so I was surprised.
- [Interviewer] If the lights turn red,
that means a mole is still in the box and you lose.
If the lights turn green,
that means you have voted the mole out and you win.
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- Maddie is it.
- No, it's not me.
It's you
- It's you.
It's gotta be you. - It's you.
- I think it's Maddie.
- [Interviewer] So on the count of three,
I'm gonna ask the two moles
to step out and reveal themselves.
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One,
two,
three.
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- I should have known it was Mason.
- Going into it, I was like,
"okay, he and I are in like, we have an alliance."
Like, we're good. He definitely sold me.
So well done my friend
- I'm very politically engaged.
So I've had a lot of conversations with people
just about, you know,
whether or not people should get vaccines,
whether or not there should be government mandates,
that type of thing.
I've heard a lot of opinions on both sides.
My goal here was to just be really subtle about it,
and to just sew doubt in the vaccine.
Not really take a hard stance on like "the plandemic,"
or like microchips, you know, that extreme wing.
'Cause I don't think anyone really here is on that,
you know, spectrum.
- Honestly, I said that 'cause I was trying
to get some points 'cause I thought like if I say plandemic,
(sparkling noise) I'm good to go.
- Yeah. I'm a pharmacist.
I actually was a part of the initial movement to vaccinate.
I went to nursing homes, put vaccine in arms.
A big part of my experience with that
is just seeing how much of a toll COVID has taken
on my fellow healthcare workers.
I have people that work in the ED,
and see how tragic that is.
One of my closest friends actually lost her father to COVID.
There's a lot of data in medicine
that I question all the time.
As a person of color, and as a woman,
I know how much the data is against
people like me being treated.
But the vaccine is something that I've seen
time and time again that I don't typically question.
The data just stands for me. So I stand with it.
I, I really do understand why a lot of people are concerned
with how far can government reach.
And what does that mean for the common people?
Where do we draw the line?
I think that is genuinely,
a super important conversation to have.
- Most people who are skeptical of the vaccine,
are either consuming that from certain media outlets,
or just people that are around them,
really pushing that idea.
If we, as people who think vaccines are important,
don't actually interact with them,
they're just kind of stuck in that bubble.
And that's not helpful for anybody.
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High fives around.
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- Oh yeah, I love this.
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