>> Stephen: HEY, EVERYBODY!
WELCOME BACK TO "THE LATE SHOW."
( CHEERING ) HEY, EVERYBODY!
MY FIRST GUEST IS THE EMMY, GRAMMY, OSCAR, AND TONY AWARD
WINNER YOU KNOW AS THE MODERATOR OF "THE VIEW."
SHE HAS JUST EXECUTIVE PRODUCED A NEW LIFETIME MOVIE
CALLED "CAUGHT IN HIS WEB."
PLEASE WELCOME BACK TO THE LATE SHOW, WHOOPI GOLDBERG!
OUR FRIEND AND YOURS!
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) ( BAND PLAYING )
( CHEERING ) >> THANK YOU.
>> Stephen: GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> AND YOU.
>> Stephen: NOW, YOU MADE SOME NEWS THIS MORNING ON "THE VIEW."
>> YES, I DID.
>> Stephen: WHEN Y'ALL WERE TALKING ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: WOULD YOU CARE TO FOLLOW UP WHAT YOU SAID THIS
MORNING BECAUSE IT CONFUSED SOME PEOPLE.
>> IT UPSET A LOT OF PEOPLE WHICH WAS NEVER EVER EVER MY
INTENTION.
I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION.
BECAUSE I FEEL, BEING BLACK, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RACE, IT'S A
VERY DIFFERENT THING TO ME.
SO I SAID I FELT THAT THE HOLOCAUST WASN'T ABOUT RACE.
AND PEOPLE GOT VERY VERY VERY ANGRY AND STILL ARE ANGRY.
I'M GETTING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE MAIL FROM FOLKS, AND VERY
REAL ANGER BECAUSE PEOPLE FEEL VERY DIFFERENTLY.
BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS A SALIENT DISCUSSION BECAUSE, AS A BLACK
PERSON, I THINK OF RACE AS BEING SOMETHING THAT I CAN SEE.
SO I SEE YOU AND I KNOW WHAT RACE YOU ARE, AND THE DISCUSSION
WAS ABOUT HOW I FELT ABOUT THAT.
I FELT THAT IT WAS REALLY MORE ABOUT MAN'S INHUMANITY TO MAN
AND HOW HORRIBLE PEOPLE CAN BE TO PEOPLE, AND WE'RE SEEING IT
MANIFEST ITSELF THESE DAYS.
BUT PEOPLE WERE VERY ANGRY AND THEY SAID, NO, NO, WE ARE A
RACE, AND I UNDERSTAND.
I UNDERSTAND.
I FELT DIFFERENTLY.
I RESPECT EVERYTHING EVERYONE IS SAYING TO ME, AND, YOU KNOW, I
DON'T WANT TO FAKE APOLOGIZE, YOU KNOW.
I'M VERY UPSET THAT PEOPLE ARE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT I WAS SAYING.
AND, SO, BECAUSE OF IT, THEY'RE SAYING THAT I'M ANTISEMITIC AND
THAT I'M DENYING THE HOLOCAUST AND ALL THESE OTHER THINGS,
WHICH, YOU KNOW, WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURRED TO ME TO DO.
I THOUGHT WE WERE HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT RACE, WHICH
EVERYONE I THINK IS HAVING.
>> Stephen: AS THE WHITE GUY IN THE CONVERSATION HERE, I AM
NEITHER JEWISH NOR BLACK SO I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE IN
ALL THIS.
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: SEEMS TO ME A WHITENESS IS A CONSTRUCT CREATED
BY COLONIAL POWERS DURING THE BEGINNING OF COLONIAL
IMPERIALEST ERA IN ORDER TO EXPLOIT OTHER PEOPLE AND THAT
THEY COULD APPLY IT TO ALL DIFFERENT KINDS OF PEOPLE THE
IDEA OF RACE, AND THE AMERICAN EXPERIENCE TENDS TO BE BASED ON
SKIN.
>> YES, AND, SO, THAT IS WHAT RACE MEANS TO ME.
WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT BEING A RACIST, I WAS SAYING, YOU CAN'T
CALL THIS RACISM.
THIS WAS EVIL.
THIS WASN'T BASED ON THE SKIN.
YOU COULDN'T TELL WHO WAS JEWISH.
THEY HAD TO DELVE DEEPLY TO FIGURE IT OUT.
>> Stephen: I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS WHY PEOPLE MIGHT SAY --
AND, AGAIN, I AM NOT JEWISH AND I'M NOT BLACK, BUT AS SOMEONE
WHO UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE READ ABOUT HOW THE NAZIS
OPERATED, WHEN THEY FOUND OUT THAT YOU WERE OF THE JEWISH
RACE, THAT'S WHY THEY'D MAKE YOU WEAR A STAR SO THEY COULD SEE
YOU.
>> YES, SO THEY COULD IDENTIFY YOU.
BUT MY POINT IS, THEY HAD TO DO THE WORK.
IF THE KLAN IS COMING DOWN THE STREET, AND I'M STANDING WITH A
JEWISH FRIEND, AND NEITHER ONE -- WELL, I'M GOING TO RUN.
( LAUGHTER ) BUT IF MY FRIEND DECIDES NOT TO
RUN, THEY'LL GET PASSED BY MOST TIMES BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL
WHO'S JEWISH, IT'S NOT SOMETHING PEOPLE SAY, OH, THAT PERSON IS
JEWISH OR THIS PERSON IS JEWISH.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT
NOT EVERYBODY SEES IT THAT WAY, AND THAT I DID A LOT OF HARM, I
GUESS, TO MYSELF, AND PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, DECIDED I WAS ALL
THESE OTHER THINGS.
I'M ACTUALLY NOT, AND I'M INCREDIBLY TORN UP BY BEING TOLD
THESE THINGS ABOUT MYSELF AND, YOU KNOW, I GET IT, FOLKS ARE
ANGRY, I ACCEPT THAT, AND I DID IT TO MYSELF.
THIS WAS MY -- MY THOUGHT PROCESS, AND I WILL WORK HARD
NOT TO THINK THAT WAY AGAIN.
>> Stephen: HAVE YOU COME TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE NAZIS SAW IT
AS RACE?
( APPLAUSE ) BECAUSE ASKING THE NAZIS, THEY
WOULD SAY, YES, IT'S A RACIAL ISSUE.
>> WELL, SEE, THIS IS WHAT'S INTERESTING TO ME BECAUSE THE
NAZIS LIED.
IT WASN'T.
THEY HAD ISSUES WITH ETHNICITY, NOT WITH RACE, BECAUSE MOST OF
THE NAZIS WERE WHITE PEOPLE AND MOST TO HAVE THE PEOPLE THEY
WERE ATTACKING WERE WHITE PEOPLE.
SO, TO ME, I'M THINKING HOW CAN YOU SAY IT'S ABOUT RACE IF YOU
ARE FIGHTING EACH OTHER?
SO IT ALL REALLY BEGAN BECAUSE I SAID HOW WILL WE EXPLAIN TO
CHILDREN WHAT HAPPENED IN NAZI GERMANY?
THIS WASN'T -- I SAID, THIS WASN'T RACIAL, THIS WAS ABOUT
WHITE ON WHITE.
AND EVERYBODY SAID, NO, NO, NO, IT WAS RACIAL.
AND, SO, THAT'S WHAT THIS ALL CAME FROM.
SO, ONCE AGAIN, DON'T WRITE ME ANYMORE, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL,
OKAY.
I ALREADY KNOW.
I GET IT, AND I'M GOING TO TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT AND NEVER BRING
IT UP AGAIN.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT STICK AROUND,
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH MORE WHOOPI GOLDBERG, EVERYBODY.