Tracey: I want to explore
the way we educate physicians in this country
there is a lot of research around this in the United States,
medical education that we take caring compassionate people into our medical schools.
So it is not look as though the problem is our selection.
People are calm with open hearts and with compassion and love
and there is a lot of data that looks at
what happens one year into medical training,
two years into medical training
what the studies show is that one year, two years into training
empathy and compassion in the people that that were empathetic, loving people and they came in
has to… has plummeted and they self-report that their medical care - not surprisingly - is different, you know,
this is not surprising.
I guess the simple way to say this is,
I believe if we cannot sit with our own suffering as physicians,
we can’t sit with the suffering of our patients.
I am comfortable dealing with your diabetes and hypertension
because I have the tools to fix that I believe
and I am trained to do that
but I don’t even want to open the door if I even knew
what questions to ask that might reveal your suffering
because I don’t know how to be present with that.
So I… I’d love your thoughts on that
those comments and then how do we begin to train
and how our learners or physicians to be in other healthcare providers
put emotion at the same level as the intellect?
Sadhguru: See, we are still
see if you want flowers to grow in your garden,
you don’t have to think flowers,
you don’t have to chant flowers.
You just have to think of soil, manure, water, sunlight
nothing to do with flowers;
if you handle filth well, flowers will happen. (Laughs)
Tracey: (Laughs) That’s good.
If you handle filth well, flowers will happen… (To her colleagues: Write that down.) (Laughter)
Sadhguru: Those people who think of flowers,
they will end up with Chinese-made plastic flowers.
Tracey: Yes.
Sadhguru: They will not have flowers.
So we are again thinking of empathy, compassion, love -
these are all consequences of a human being,
being in a certain way.
We are trying… see the… the whole approach of the intellect is
go for the fruit, goal-oriented.
No, not the fruit, the root
you nurture the root, fruit will happen.
Fruit is a consequence.
You are shooting for the consequence without being interested in the cause. (Laughs)
That’s not going to produce long-term results.
Then this is what you will end up with
something that will work short-term and then that itself becomes a huge problem.
Right now, healthcare system itself is a huge problem
The very fact that pharmaceutical industry is the second largest industry on the planet
speaks volumes about our health, isn’t it?
Tracey: Yes.
Sadhguru: People tell me,
I do not know the statistic.
These are all things which are, you know, being circulated on the internet and things like that.
They say almost thirty seven percent of the medicine,
all kinds of medicines manufactured in the world are consumed by Americans themselves.
Tracy: Uh-huh
Sadhguru: They don’t even account for a miniscule of the population
and if they’re consuming thirty seven percent,
either they are paranoid about their health or really they are unhealthy.
One of these things must be true, isn’t it?
So we need to look at this.
If you want this to enter the medical school,
one simple way is if the medical school can start in some way,
we can… we can prescribe a method with which first,
one who wants to touch somebody else’s body
should make some effort to know about his own.
Something very simple… need not be
like you are not going to spend twelve years in meditation.
I am… I am sure that’s not practical for you
but I am saying at least twelve days.
Twelve days everybody can give, isn’t it
totally focused on the inward,
happenings of what’s happening?
I can do a simple experiment for you.
Are you okay?
Tracey: Yes.
Sadhguru: If I treat you as a subject and experiment? (Laughter)
See, just the hands, okay?
Keep all the five fingers together.
Place it gently upon your thigh.
with your eyes closed, you will inhale and exhale slightly deeper than normal.
All of you, most of you are medical professionals,
so you know much more about these things than me.
But I want you to just notice how the air fills up into your lungs or in other words,
where is the maximum expansion and contraction?
As you are doing this, I will say ‘switch.’
When I say ‘switch,’ without breaking the rhythm of your breathing,
just turn this hands over.
For those of you who cannot see, I’m raising this.
You don’t have to raise this. Upon your thigh,
just turn your hand over and continue to breathe.
And once again when I say switch, get back.
In these two conditions of the hand or the positions of the hand,
something about your breath will change. I want you to notice what it is.
If you want to notice it, the… what is needed is -
your spine should be erect, eyes should be closed,
and you must be focused on the breath. If you do these three things,
you will distinctly notice this.
All the five fingers should be together.
Just breathe slightly deeper than normal, inhalation-exhalation
slightly deeper than normal,
all five fingers together.
switch
switch again
please open your eyes
You notice some difference?
What is it?
If you hold it this (Gestures) way, the maximum expansion and contraction happens in the
happens in the lower lobe of the lung.
So you will notice it in the diaphragm region.
If you turn it around, it moves to the middle lobe of the lung, you’ll notice it higher up.
Just take one breath and see, it is noticeable.
Sadhguru: Is it so?
So something so simple,
most human beings will not take these things into account.
So just if you turn your hand around,
the very way you breathe alters itself.
It’s not just the breath.
The very way, the fundamental life energies function in this body alters itself simply
because you turned your hand around.
How many times in a day unconsciously are you doing this? (Gestures)
And hoping to be peaceful, it doesn’t work like that.
This is like you got into a car, you don’t know what these three pedals are,
just kick any one of them whenever you feel like it, you know,
what a jerky driver you will be? (Laughter)
That’s what has happened to human beings.
It is not that people do not know peace, health, love, joy,
they know all these things but it’s jerky;
it’s not sustainable, isn’t it?
If you did not know a moment of peace or joy, you would be on the suicide list.
You know peace, you know love, only problem is you can’t hold onto it, isn’t it?
That’s because this is a chemical soup.
If I give the same ingredients to all of you,
soup ingredients to all of you, and each one of you make the soup,
you will have still hundred varieties of soups, isn’t it?
The same ingredients, yes or no?
Each home it tastes different.
Just the way you make it.
This (Gestures) also is the same thing - same ingredients,
just the way you make it within yourself, isn’t it? (Laughs)
Whether it’s health or well-being, peace, love, joy, ecstasy,
every human experience has a chemical basis to it
and chemistry is not a basis.
Chemistry is also a consequence of a different dimension of who you are.
I think Mitch was putting up those five koshas and all.
In yoga, because you are talking about the mind
in yoga, we don’t see anything as mind.
All different levels of bodies -
physical body, mental body, energy body, etheric body
and the other one will not translate well,
it’s called bliss body in English but that’s a wrong translation. (Laughs)
So, physical body is something that you gather
because of the food that you have eaten.
So what kind of food you have eaten definitely interpret(s) itself
as the nature of the body that you have.
Well, your genetics,
the other information has a serious impact
but still… the design of this building is important
but still the material is also important, isn’t it?
Even if the design is fabulous,
if the material is bad, still the whole building may not fall down on our heads
but panels could be falling on our heads.
So, this is happening.
We are… we are not considering what we eat
as to what is the best thing for this body,
so food.
The next thing is mental body.
There is a whole intelligence,
there is a network of intelligence across this.
When we say mind, what are we referring to?
A certain level of memory and
a certain level of ability to use that memory in the form of intelligence, isn’t it?
You tell me if you being
all of you being doctors, you know this very well.
A single cell what it is doing, it can freak your mind. (Tracey Laughs)
It is doing that many things, isn’t it?
Tracey: Yeah.
Sadhguru: Then (There’s?) no question about that.
And your single cell what it remembers,
it can freak your mind once again.
See, do you remember ten generations ago, how your grandmother looked?
Tracey: No.
Sadhguru: No, you have no memory of that.
Your body remembers.
Your grandmother's nose is still sitting on your face
because your body remembers.
How your forefathers looked a million years ago, it still remembers, isn’t it?
So now if I have to speak,
I… I am sitting like this because
I have no such thing as thought in my mind;
it’s very difficult for you to understand,
it’s… that’s why they diagnosed me as dead. (Laughter)
Because I think with my body,
I function with my body,
not just with one part.
So whole process of life is right now being subjected to thought
and people are stressful because
what should happen on different levels of your system
is all being done in one place.
If it’s all done in one place,
just living
most people are only taking care of their survival,
earning a living, reproducing, and dying one day.
For that, they freaked out.
They are not handling (Laughs) some galaxies,
just their lives. (Laughter)