>> Martha: SHE SOUNDS A LOT
BIKE AOC.
JOINING ME NOW FROM PARIS
FORMER WHITE HOUSE CHIEF
STRATEGIST STEVE BANNON.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE
TONIGHT.
>> MARTHA, THANK YOU.
>> Martha: THANK YOU.
WE HAVE A TINY BIT OF A
DELAY BECAUSE IS HE IN
PARIS.
WHY DO YOU WANT TO SEE THE
END OF THE EU AND WHAT
DIFFERENCE WOULD THAT MAKE
TO AMERICANS?
>> IT'S NOT THE END OF THE
EU AT ALL.
IN FACT, THE RISE OF THESE
POPULIST NATIONALIST
PARTIES, THEY CALL THEM THE
SOVEREIGNTY MOVEMENT OVER
HERE.
IT ACTUALLY MAKES THE EU
STRONGER AND EUROPE
STRONGER.
IT'S GOING TO BE A
COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUAL
NATION STATES THAT ARE
GUIDED BY ITS CITIZENS AND I
THINK YOU SAW THIS WEEKEND
WAS QUITE HISTORIC.
THIS IS NOT TO MAKE EUROPE
WEAKER.
THIS IS NOT TO MAKE THE EU
WEAKER.
WHAT IT IS TO MAKE THESE
NATIONS STRONGER AND HAVE
THE EU REALLY BE A
COLLECTION OF NATIONS
INSTEAD OF ONE UNITED STATES
OF EUROPE.
THAT PROJECT WAS ACTUALLY
ENDED THIS WEEK.
IT WAS MACRON'S VISION HE
CALLED IT THE RENAISSANCE
PROJECT.
NONE OF THE LEADING
GOVERNMENTS IN EUROPE SIGNED
UP FOR IT.
AND THEN YOU SAW THE FRENCH
PEOPLE REJECT IT ON SUNDAY
AND YOU SAW IT IN ITALY AND
THE U.K. AND OTHER PLACES,
POLL LAND AND HUNGARY
OVERWHELMING SUPPORT FOR THE
POPULIST MOVEMENT.
IT'S NOT TO DESTROY EUROPE.
IT'S ACTUALLY TO MAKE EUROPE
STRONGER.
THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT
FEAR THAT THE ESTABLISHED
ORDER IS TRYING TO PUT INTO
PEOPLE BUT IT IS DEAD WRONG.
>> Martha: WE HAVE READ THAT
MACRON, THE PRESIDENT OF
FRANCE HAS BEEN SORT OF
SCRAMBLING TO HOLD ONTO THE
CENTER THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE ELECTION ON SUNDAY WAS
AN EROSION OF THOSE CENTER
PARTIES AND AN INCREASED
OBVIOUSLY IN THE SEATS ON
THE LEFT AND THE RIGHT.
IF YOU STILL PUT SOME OF
THOSE IN THE MIDDLE TOGETHER
AND IF HE CAN SCRAMBLE
TOGETHER SUPPORT, HOW
TENUOUS ARE THE VICTORIES
THAT YOU SAW ON SUNDAY, DO
YOU THINK, IN THE END?
>> I DON'T THINK THEY ARE
TENUOUS AT ALL.
IN FACT, I THINK IN BRUSSELS
TONIGHT YOU SEE MARINE
LE PEN, YOU SEE NIGEL FARAGE
AND OTHERS TRYING TO PUT
TOGETHER A SUPER GROUP OF
THESE POPULIST NATIONALIST
PARTIES DISTRIBUTED IN THE
WAY THEY DO IT IN EUROPEAN
PARLIAMENT.
THEY ARE TRYING TO COMBINE
THAT SO THEY HAVE A CRITICAL
MASS.
REMEMBER, THE CENTER HERE
HAVE YOU BOTH THE SOCIALISTS
AND CENTER LEFT, CENTER
RIGHT.
THOSE CENTER LEFT, CENTER
RIGHT PARTIES IMPLODED.
THE TORE REPUBLICAN.
THE REPUBLIC PARTY OF DEGULL
IN FRANCE.
THESE THINGS ABSOLUTELY
IMPLODED OVER THE WEEKEND.
HAVE YOU SEEN THE RISE OF
POPULISM AND NATIONALISM.
NOW THESE LEADERS WILL TRY
TO PUT THIS TOGETHER SO THEY
HAVE A CRITICAL MASS IN
EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT KNOWING
THAT THE PEOPLE VOTED
AGAINST ANY FURTHER
INTEGRATION.
THEY ARE NOW GOING TO TRY TO
HAVE THIS POWERFUL BLOCKING
MINORITY TO MAKE SURE THE
BUREAUCRATS IN BRUSSELS
CAN'T FORCE ANYTHING ELSE ON
THEM.
>> Martha: WHAT IS IT FOR
PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN
FOLLOWING THIS AT HOME
SEVINI SAYS THERE WILL BE A
NEW EUROPE.
HOW IS IT GOING TO CHANGE.
>> EUROPE OF NATION STATES.
GO BACK TO 2016.
BREXIT AND THE TRUMP
ELECTION ARE INEXTRICABLY
LINKED.
IF BREXIT WOULDN'T HAVE
HAPPENED, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE
EMPOWERED THE DEPLORABLES.
YOU WOULDN'T HAVE EMPOWERED
WORKING CLASS PEOPLE TO COME
OUT AND SUPPORT DONALD
TRUMP.
THAT'S WHY TRUMP, THAT
SEGMENT YOU STARTED AT THE
BEGIN SOMETHING VERY
PROPHETIC.
HE COULD SEE IT'S VERY
IMPORTANT.
PEOPLE WANT TO TAKE THEIR
COUNTRY BACK THEIR BORDERS
BACK.
BASICALLY CITIZENS WANT TO
GET MORE CONTROL OF THEIR
COUNTRIES AND MORE CONTROL
OF THE POLITICIANS THAT
DIRECTLY REPORT TO THEM.
NOT FACELESS BUREAUCRATS IN
WASHINGTON, D.C. OR FACELESS
BUREAUCRATS IN BRUSSELS.
HE SAW BREXIT FOR WHAT IT
WAS.
NOW YOU ARE SEEING THE NEXT
WAVE OF IT, RIGHT?
MACRON IN 17 STOPPED IT.
WE SEE ANOTHER WAVE OF IT
WITH CHARISMATIC LEADERS.
>> Martha: YOU CALL THEM
CHARISMATIC AND SOME CALL
THEM ANTI-IMMIGRANT.
THEY CALL THEM ANTI-SEMITIC.
THEY SAY THEY SEE SORT OF A
THROW BACK TO EUROPE OF FREY
PREWORLD WAR II.
HERE IS ANGELA MERKEL IN AN
INTERVIEW SHE DID WITH CNN
TALKING ABOUT HER CONCERNS
ABOUT THIS MOVEMENT.
>> WE HAVE ALWAYS -- NUMBER
OF ANTI-SEMITES.
THERE IS NOT A SINGLE
SYNAGOGUE OR DAY CARE FOR
JEWISH CHILDREN OR SINGLE
SCHOOL FOR JEWISH CHILDREN
THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE
GUIDED BY GERMAN
PALESTINIANSMAN.
>> Martha: EVERY JEWISH
INSTITUTION UNDER THIS NEW
ORDER IF IT COMES TO PASS
WILL NEED TO BE GUARDED BY
SECURITY.
>> LISTEN, THIS IS THE
FIRESTONIEST OF ANGLE MERKEL
SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO LEAVE
BUT SAW THE RISE OF POPULIST
NATIONAL PARTIES SHE DIDN'T
THINK THE LEADERSHIP SHE HAD
AND THE CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS
ARE STRONG ENOUGH.
SHE BASICALLY SAID I'M
STAYING NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
HERE IS THE HYPOCRISY.
I WAS IN BERLIN TWO WEEKS
AGO.
SPENT FIVE DAYS THERE.
ACTUALLY I SAT DOWN WITH
SOME OF THE SENIOR JEWISH
LEADERS.
THEY TOLD ME THEY LIVE UNDER
FEAR AND IT'S NOT FROM THE
RIGHT.
I HAVE JUST BEEN MEETING
WITH ALTERNATIVES FOR THE
RIGHT WING PARTY.
THEY SAY THEY LIVE UNDER
FEAR BECAUSE OF RADICAL
ISLAM AND FOR THIS UNLIMITED
IMMIGRATION FROM THE MIDDLE
EAST THAT ANGELA MERKEL LET
IN.
IN FACT, THEY SAID THEY
COULDN'T EVEN WEAR THEIR JAM
CAN
YAN
YAMAKASS.
THIS SHOWS THAT ANGELA
MERKEL IS A TOTAL AND
COMPLETE PHONY.
THAT'S WHY THIS MOVEMENT
TOOK A BEATING.
FOR HER TO SIT THERE AND TRY
TO SMEAR THESE PARTIES
SAYING THAT WHEN IN GERMANY
THE JEWISH LEADERS SAY WE
FEAR WHAT SHE HAS ALLOWED TO
HAPPEN WITH THIS UNLIMITED
IMMIGRATION PARTICULARLY
FROM THE RADICAL JIHADISTS
THAT ARE IN THE COUNTRY,
THAT'S WHAT THEY FEAR IN
GERMANY.
PEOPLE SHOULD JUST GO ASK
THE JEWISH LEADERS IN
BERLIN.
>> Martha: HERE IS WHAT POPE
FRANCIS HAD TO SAY.
HE SAID THEY ARE OFTEN
LOOKED DOWN UPON, TALKING
ABOUT IMMIGRANTS AND
CONSIDERED THE SOURCE OF ALL
SOCIETY'S ILLS THAT ATTITUDE
IS AN ALARM BELL WARNING OF
THE MORAL DECLINE WE WILL
FACE IF WE CONTINUE TO GIVE
GROUND TO THE THROW AWAY
CULTURE.
YOUR REACTION?
>> WELL, LOOK, THE POPE IS
OBVIOUSLY INFALLIBLE WHEN HE
IS TALKING ABOUT CHURCH
DOCTRINE.
WHEN HE IS TALKING ABOUT
POLITICS IS HE DEAD WRONG.
THIS IS ONCE AGAIN HE PUTS
ALL THE ONUS ON THE POPULIST
NATIONAL MOVEMENT.
THESE PEOPLE ARE GOOD,
DECENT PEOPLE.
THEY ARE NOT RACIST.
THEY ARE NOT NATIVIST.
THEY ARE NOT XENOPHOBING.
THE PROBLEMS, HORRIFIC
PROBLEMS IN AFTER INFANTRY
CANNED A NORTH AFRICA CANNOT
BE SOLVED BY WORKING CLASS
PEOPLE IN SOUTHERN ITALY.
THAT'S BEEN THE PROBLEM.
THE POEM AND THE REST OF
THESE GLOBALISTS THIS PARTY
WANT ALL THE PROBLEMS TO BE
SOLVED BY WORKING CLASS
PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE
SPEAKING FOR TO SAY HEY,
LOOK, WE UNDERSTAND THERE IS
A HUGE PROBLEM.
WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER TO
SOLVE THAT PROBLEM IN IN
SUBSAHARA OR NORTH AFRICA OR
THE MIDDLE EAST.
WORKING CLASS PEOPLE IN
HUNGARY AND IN FRANCE AND
ITALY CAN'T SOLVE IT.
THAT'S WHERE THE POPE
CONTINUES TO EXACERBATES
THIS PROBLEM.
THE PEOPLE VOTED.
SALVINI AND IF
SALVINI AND FF
SALVINI AND FARAGE COULD BE
PRIME MINISTERS OF THEIR OWN
COUNTRY.
SAVINI COULD BE PRIME
MINISTER OF ITALY.
NIGEL FARAGE COULD BE IN THE
U.K.
>> Martha: OBVIOUSLY A BIG
RISE OF THE GREEN PARTY TOO.
WE WILL SEE.
I DO WANT TO ASK YOU --
>> -- THE GREEN PARTY HAS A
LOT OF ENERGY.
>> Martha: IT DOES, INDEED.
YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT
THAT AND RECOGNIZING THIS AS
WELL.
WHAT ABOUT YOUR ROLE IN ALL
OF THIS?
ALL THESE STORIES ABOUT HOW
STEVE BANNON GOT PUSHED OUT
OF THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOW
HE IS TRYING TO SELL HIS
WHOLE POPULISM OVERSEAS AND
MARIA LE PEN SAID YOU HAD
NOTHING TO DO WITH HER
CAMPAIGN.
>> BY THE WAY, THIS WAS A
EUROPEAN VICTORY BY
EUROPEANS.
THESE LEADERS OVER HERE DO
NOT NEED AMERICANS TO COME
OVER AND TELL THEM HOW TO
RUN CAMPAIGNS, THEIR
STRATEGY, THEIR GET OUT THE
VOTE.
THIS WAS A EUROPEAN VICTORY
BY THE INDIVIDUAL PARTIES IN
THOSE COUNTRIES.
AND THEY SHOULD BE VERY
PROUD OF THAT.
LOOK, THE REASON
ENTREPRENEURSHIP
PRTREPRENEURSHIP
PRESEPRENEURSHIP
PRESIDRENEURSHIP
PRESIDENNEURSHIP
PRESIDENTTURSHIP
PRESIDENTTRUSHIP
PRESIDENTTRUMPIP
PRESIDENTTRUMP AND THE CAMPAIGN
REACHED OUT TO ME IN 2016 I
HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
POPULIST NATIONAL PROGRAM
FOR 10 YEARS IN THE UNITED
STATES.
I'M A COLLEAGUE AND FRIEND
OF THESE PEOPLE.
I'M NOT AN ADVISOR.
I'M OVER HERE TO SPREAD THE
MESSAGE OF POPULISM,
NATIONALISM.
I'M GLAD THAT MERKEL AND
MACRON THEIR HEADS BLOW UP
WHEN I COME OVER HERE TO
HAVE MY PRESENCE AND ROOT
ON, HAVE A ROOTING INTEREST
IN THESE GREAT POLITICAL
MOVEMENTS THAT ARE REALLY
TAKING CHARGE OF EUROPE NOW.
>> Martha: YOU SAID WHEN YOU
LEFT THE WHITE HOUSE THAT
THE WHOLE AMERICA FIRST, THE
DRAIN THE SWAMP PART OF
EVERYTHING IN THE TRUMP
CAMPAIGN OR THE TRUMP
PRESIDENCY WAS OVER.
YOU SAID THAT PRESIDENCY IS
OVER.
DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT?
>> WELL, I THINK IT TURNED
AROUND.
I THINK YOU SAW THE
GLOBALISTS AT THAT TIME.
YOU HAD A HUGE EMPHASIS.
REMEMBER, THAT'S WHEN WE
DIDN'T GET A CHANCE TO BUILD
THE WALL.
THAT'S WHEN WE HADN'T GOTTEN
OUR TRADE AND TAKEN ON
CHINA.
IF YOU LOOKED IN THE SUMMER
OF 2017 DOLDRUMS THE BOOK
WHY
BYY
BYWOODWARD I TENDERED MY
RESIGNATION ON AUGUST 7TH
AND LEFT 10 DAYS LATER.
THAT WARS THE DULL DRUMS.
PRESIDENT TRUMP IS NOW
FULL-ON.
HE IS BUILDING THE WALL.
HE IS DOWN THERE FIGHTING
THE COURTS.
HE IS DOING FANTASTIC JOB IN
ENGAGING ON THIS ECONOMIC
WAR THAT CHINA HAS BEEN
RUNNING ON THE UNITED
STATES.
HE IS ENGAGING THE RADICAL,
YOU KNOW, COMMUNIST PARTY IN
CHINA.
YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT XI AND
RADICALS TAKING CONTROL OF
CHINA.
YOU SAW IN THIS GREAT EFFORT
HE HAD IN JAPAN OVER THE
LAST COUPLE OF DAYS WHICH
THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS
FOCUSED ON HIS TWITTER FEED.
PEOPLE IN ASIA ARE FOCUSED
ON HOW HE HAS BOUND TOGETHER
THE JAPANESE AND THE
AMERICAN MILITARY AND THE
NAVY AND SENT A VERY STRONG
SINGLE TO COUNTRIES AROUND
THE SOUTH CHINA SEA THAT THE
AMERICANS AND THE JAPANESE
ARE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER
TO MAKE SURE THE SEA LANES
ARE FREE.
THERE IS A VERY POWERFUL
COUPLE DAYS TORE THE
PRESIDENT.
THE PRESIDENT IS ON FIRE.
HE IS COMPLETING HIS
PROMISES HE MADE TO THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHY THE ECONOMY IS
DOING WELL AND THAT'S WHERE
HE IS SEEING A AMERICA FIRST
NATIONAL SECURITY POLICY
THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND.
>> Martha: YOU KNOW, BUT HE
HAS GOT TO WIN THE NEXT
ELECTION.
HE WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT FOR
ANOTHER FOUR YEARS.
TAKE A LOOK AT THIS MONDAY
MOTH POLL MOST AMERICANS 62%
FEEL THAT U.S. CONSUMERS
WILL BEAR THE BRUNT OF
PAYING FOR NEW TARIFFS ON
CHINESE GOODS.
THAT COULD HURT HIM.
SOME OF THE NATIONAL POLLS
OBVIOUSLY IS EARLY AND
NATIONAL POLLS SHOWING HIM
LOSING TO JOE BIDEN AND
OTHERS.
>> MARTHA THIS IS ANOTHER
PROJECTED FEAR ON TARIFFS
3.2% ECONOMIC GROWTH A BIG
PART OF THAT CAME BECAUSE HE
IS SHRINKING THE DEFICIT
WITH CHINA.
HE IS MOVING THE SUPPLY
CHAIN BACK.
THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS
UNEMPLOYMENT IS SO LOW.
ALSO, IMPORT PRICES ARE
DROPPING.
THERE IS A NUMBER OF
ARTICLES OUT TODAY ABOUT HOW
THIS ECONOMIC WAR THAT WE
ARE ENGAGED WITH NOW MAY BE
DEFLATIONARY.
THIS IS THE FEAR PROJECT OF
WALL STREET.
REMEMBER.
FOUR WEEKS AGO THEY SAID THE
STOCK MARKET IS GOING TO
IMPLODE AND IT'S GOING TO
TAKE THE ECONOMY DOWN.
IT'S A STONE COLD LIE.
THE CHEERING SESSION OF WALL
STREET.
>> Martha: IT'S BEEN DOWN
THE LAST SIX WEEKS.
>> THEY SHIP -- YEAH, IT'S
ON THE MARGINS.
THEY SHIP THESE JOBS TO ASIA
AND PRESIDENT TRUMP IS
BRINGING THEM BACK.
AND EVERYTHING THE FEAR
PROJECT SAID IS ABSOLUTELY
WRONG.
AND SO YOU ARE SEEING -- YOU
ARE GOING TO SEE THE SUPPLY
CHAIN COME BACK AND WITH
THAT HIGH VALUE ADDED
MANUFACTURING JOBS.
>> Martha: TWO QUICK
QUESTIONS TO SQUEEZE IN
HERE.
YOU ARE SUPPORT OF A GROUP
THAT BUILT A PRIVATE WALL ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY IN EL PASO.
IS THAT A TREND WE WILL SEE
CONTINUE?
>> WELL, WE HAVE RAISED
MONEY TO TRY TO DO THOSE
PLACES THAT THE PRESIDENT
HAS A $1.5 BILLION HELD UP
IN THE COURTS.
THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS
GOT WHERE THEY ARE GOING TO
BUILD IT.
CERTAIN ASPECTS THEY ARE NOT
GOING TO BUILD.
BRIAN AND KRIS KOBACH AND
OTHERS HAVE RAISED THIS
MONEY.
WE ARE GOING TO GO AROUND.
ALREADY CUTTING DEALS ALL UP
AND DOWN THE BORDER ON
PRIVATE PROPERTY WHERE THE
GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO
BUILD.
WE ARE GOING TO BE THERE AND
BUILD THE WALL.
WE ARE OUTSIDE OF EL PASO,
TEXAS RIGHT NOW BUILDING THE
FIRST BATCH OF IT.
WE ARE 85% COMPLETED ON THE
FIRST THREE QUARTERS OF A
MILE.
>> Martha: CONNECTED
21 MILES ON EITHER SIDE AND
CUT OFF AN AREA THAT PEOPLE
WERE COMING THROUGH.
VERY INTERESTING PROJECT.
LAST QUESTION, YOU STILL
WISH YOU WERE AT THE WHITE
HOUSE AND DO YOU STILL TALK
TO THE PRESIDENT?
>> NO, I WAS VERY GLAD.
DID I MY ONE YEAR FOR THE
CAMPAIGN I'M VERY HAPPY
OUTSIDE.
THEY ARE DOING A TERRIFIC
JOB.
NO, UNTIL THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION IS OVER, YOU
KNOW,.
>> Martha: IT IS OVER.
>> NO, WELL, TALK TO JERRY
NADLER.
I'M ON THE LIST TO BE
SUBPOENAED TO GO UP THERE,
RIGHT?
THEY HAVE ALREADY GONE DON
MCGAHN, HOPE HICKS AND ANDY
MCDOWELL AND REINCE PRIEBUS
AND I ARE THE OTHER TWO THAT
HAVE BEEN NAMED.
WHEN THIS THING IS ALL OVER.
I WILL FEEL COMFORTABLE
DOING IT.
WHILE THE DEMOCRATS ARE
TRYING TO WEAPONIZE THE
MUELLER REPORT THERE IS NO