>> Stephen: ST. VINCENT, EVERYBODY!
CONCLUDE BACK.
FOLKS, MY FIRST GUEST IS THE CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT
FOR ABC NEWS, CO-ANCHOR OF "THIS WEEK WITH GEORGE
STEPHANOPOULOS," AND AUTHOR OF "BETRAYAL."
PLEASE WELCOME, JONATHAN KARL!
( APPLAUSE ).
♪ ♪ ♪ >> Stephen: JONATHAN, GOOD TO
SEE YOU AGAIN.
>> GREAT TO BE HERE.
>> Stephen: NOW, LET'S TALK ABOUT-- I THINK YOU'VE GOT
MULTIPLE SCOOPS THIS WEEK.
BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT ONE OF YOUR SCOOPS THIS WEEK.
YOU REPORTED THAT MIKE POMPEO IS NOW IN TALKS TO TALK TO THE
JANUARY 6 COMMITTEE.
FIRST OF ALL, WHAT IS "IN TALKS TO TALK" MEAN?
AREN'T YOU ALREADY TALKING IF YOU'RE IN TALKS.
>> WELL, THEY NEGOTIATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF QUESTIONS.
THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS -- >> Stephen: WHY DO YOU GET TO
DO THAT?
IF YOU'RE JUST SOME CITIZEN OUT THERE.
HE'S JUST SOME GUY FROM KANSAS AT THIS POINT.
>> HERE'S WHY.
>> Stephen: WHY CAN'T THEY DRAG HIM IN BY THE SCRUFF OF THE
NECK?
>> THAT WOULD BE NICE.
YOU DO A SUBPOENA.
AND HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THE SUBPOENA.
STEVE BANNON IS FINALLY GUILTY FOR DEFYING A SUBPOENA.
( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ).
THAT WAS A YEAR!
THEY WANT TO GET HIM IN QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY'RE RUNNING OUT OF
TIME.
>> Stephen: SO WHAT DEDO YOU THINK POMPEO, HEAD OF C.I.A.,
SECRETARY OF STATE, BEFORE THAT A CONGRESSMAN.
SO HE MIGHT RESPECT CONGRESS' SUBPOENA AUTHORITY.
>> HE USED IT AS A CONGRESSMAN.
>> Stephen: HE DID, OKAY.
WHAT DO YOU THINK THEY'RE MOST INTERESTED IN TALKING TO HIM
ABOUT?
>> I KNOW WHAT I'M MOST INTERESTED TO HEAR FROM HIM, SO
I ASSUME IT'S WHERE THEY ARE.
IT'S DISCUSSIONS OF THE 25th AMENDMENT.
AS YOU REMEMBER, I REPORTED IN THE BOOK THAT HE HAD-- YOU'VE
GOT THAT.
"BETRAYAL."
>> Stephen: "BETRAYAL."
LET'S MOVE SOME PAPER.
THERE YOU GO.
>> I REPORTED HE AND STEVE MNUCHIN, THE MOST SENIOR PEOPLE
IN THE CABINET -- >> Stephen: STATE, TREASURY.
>> YEAH, HAD A CONVERSATION ON JANUARY 6 ABOUT THE 25th
AMENDMENT.
THE 25th AMENDMENT, WHICH BASICALLY MEANS THAT THE CABINET
CAN REMOVE THE PRESIDENT BY DECLARING HIM MENTALLY UNFIT.
THAT'S QUITE A CONVERSATION FOR MIKE POMPEO, WHO HAS BEEN
TOTALLY AND THOROUGHLY LOYAL TO DONALD TRUMP AND STEVE MNUCHIN,
SAME THING, TO HAVE.
SO I WOULD SUSPECT THEY -- >> Stephen: SO, YOU BROKE THAT
THEY HAD THE CONVERSATION?
>> YEAH.
>> Stephen: IN HERE.
WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO ASK HIM AS A FOLLOW-UP ABOUT THAT?
>> WELL, MAYBE WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT?
WOULD BE ONE POSSIBLE THING.
( APPLAUSE ) >> Stephen: DOES HE ADMIT IT?
>> NO.
SO, SO -- >> Stephen: HE DOESN'T ADMIT
DOING THAT?
>> SO THIS IS KIND OF A WILD STORY.
I REPORTED THIS IT ROCK SOLID THE CONVERSATION HAPPENED, SOME
DETAILS ABOUT WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE 25th
AMENDMENT.
AND I TRIED TO GET MIKE POMPEO TO TALK TO ME ABOUT IT.
REFUSED, REFUSED.
I WENT TO HIS SPOKESPERSON, PEOPLE CLOSE TO HIM.
REFUSED, REFUSED, REFUSED.
NOTHING.
AND I HAD ONE LAST CONVERSATION WITH DONALD TRUMP FOR THE BOOK
OVER THE PHONE AND I ASKED HIM ABOUT THIS.
I WAS LIKE, "THESE ARE YOUR TOP GUYS AND THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT
CALLING YOU MENTALLY UNFIT TO BE PRESIDENT."
AND HE SAD, OH, NO, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
TOTALLY DIDN'T HAPPEN."
AND I SAID, "WHY WON'T MIKE POMPEO DENY IT IT?
NEITHER OF THEM.
THEY WON'T DENY IT."
I SWEAR TO YOU, WITHIN AN HOUR I GOT A PHONE CALL FROM THE GUY
WHO HAD BEEN AVOIDING MY CALLS FOR MONTHS, MIKE POMPEII'SO
SPOKESPERSON SAYING, "NEVER HAPPENED."
>> Stephen: NEVER HAPPENED, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT HIS
HAND ON A LITTLE BLACK BOOK, RIGHT?
>> THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO BE LISTENING TO.
AND IS HE GOING TO DENY IT UNDER OATH?
AND HE'S NOT.
>> Stephen: DO YOU EVER WISH YOU HAD SUBPOENA POWER?
>> OH, IT WOULD BE SO GOOD.
IT WOULD BE SO GOOD.
>> Stephen: WE HAVE TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK BUT WE'LL BE RIGHT
BACK WITH MORE JONATHAN KARL, EVERYBODY.
STICK AROUND.