♪ WE'RE BACK WITH
THE AUTHOR OF "COUNTDOWN BIN LADEN," HOST OF "FOX NEWS
SUNDAY," CHRIS WALLACE.
I'M WONDERING WHETHER YOU AND YOUR FELLOW "SUNDAY MORNING"
GUYS OUT THERE WHO ARE DOING THE SUNDAY SHOWS TALKING ABOUT THE
WEEK, IF YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ON PEOPLE WHO
HAVE THE IRRATIONAL BELIEF THAT THE LAST ELECTION WAS STOLEN.
THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CYNICALLY--
AND I KNOW YOU'VE HELD THESE GUYS FEET TO THE FIRE.
I'M NOT-- I DON'T WANT TO SUGGEST THAT YOU HAVEN'T PUSHED
BACK.
YOU HAVE, QUITE FAMOUSLY.
BUT HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANYTHING SO CYNICAL IN WASHINGTON, D.C.,
THAN THIS KNOWLEDGEABLE-- PEOPLE SAYING THINGS THEY KNOW AREN'T
TRUE, THAT THEY KNOW HAS TO HAVE LASTING DAMAGE ON OUR DEMOCRACY
COMING ON TV AND SAYING THESE THNGS WITH A STRAIGHT FACE?
>> I HAVE NEVER SEEN THIS.
I'VE SEEN A LOT OF-- I'VE BEEN IN WASHINGTON 40 YEARS, SO I'VE
SEEN A LOT OF BAD STUFF, BUT NOTHING LIKE THIS, WHERE-- AND,
YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD SAY TO ME, "WELL, ARE THEY DELUSIONAL?"
MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE.
WHAT'S WORSE, I THINK MORE OF THEM HAVE CYNICALLY DECIDED
BECAUSE OF THE TRUMP BASE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO GET
CROSSWISE WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY
SOMETHING THEY KNOW IS NOT TRUE.
NOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU JUSTICE SIT THERE AND SAY, "I'M
NOT GOING TO HAVE THEM ON."
BUT IF I'M GOING TO HAVE THEM ON, I'M GOING TO HOLD THEM TO
ACCOUNT OVER AND OVER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT-- WHAT ABOUT
THIS ELECTION?
WHAT ABOUT-- YOU KNOW, IS-- I'VE SAID THIS TO MANY OF THEM-- "IS
JOE BIDEN THE DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES?"
AND THEY'LL SAY, "WELL, HE'S THE PRESIDENT."
AND I SAID, "NO, NO, WAS HE ELECTED FAIR AND SQUARE?"
WE GO BACK ON THIS AND I DON'T LET IT PASS.
I THINK -- >> Stephen: IS THAT PART OF
THE VETTING PROCESS, YOU SAY, "YOU SHOULD JUST KNOW IF YOU
BRING UP ANY OF THAT GARBAGE, CHRIS WILL CALL YOU."
>> WE DON'T PREPARE IT, THEY KNOW ME.
THEY KNOW I'M GOING TO BE LIKE THAT.
JANUARY 6 IS ONE OF THE WORST DAYS-- I COVERED CONGRESS FOR
SEVERAL YEARS WHEN I FIRST CAME TO WASHINGTON IN 1978, AND AS
I'M SITTING THERE LIVE WATCHING IT ON TELEVISION AND SEEING THIS
MOB COMING TO THE CATHEDRAL OF OUR DEMOCRACY AND SITTING IN THE
CHAIR THAT THE PRESIDENT OF THE SENATE SITS IN AND, YOU KNOW,
RUNNING AROUND THE ROTUNDA, I WAS SICKENED.
>> Stephen: BECAUSE OUR DEMOCRACY ITSELF--
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AND THE THING-- THE THING I WAS REMINDED OF IN THAT MOMENT IS
THAT OUR DEMOCRACY ITSELF IS ACTUALLY MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY
IDEA LIFE, AND THAT'S WHY MEN LIKE THIS RISK THEIR LIVES IN
ORDER TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY.
BECAUSE THEY SEE SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN THEIRSELVES AND
THAT IS OUR COLLECTIVE ABILITY TO MAKE OUR DECISIONS WITH EACH
OTHER IN A RATIONAL AND PEACEFUL WAY.
WHICH I THINK DISQUALIFIES ANYBODY FROM BEING IN THE PUBLIC
SPHERE IF THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO STAND UP FOR THAT TRUTH.
AND THE LEGITIMACY THAT'S GIVEN TO PEOPLE BY COMING ON ANY OF
THE SUNDAY SHOWS WHO ARE WILLING TO PROMULGATE THAT LIE IS
ACTUALLY OF SOME VALUE TO THEM.
DOES IT WORRY THAT YOU GIVE LEGITIMACY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE
ABDICATED ALL PUBLIC RESPONSIBILITY?
>> WELL, THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, WERE OTHER
LEADERS OF-- IN THE CONGRESS-- OFCHALLENGING IT THAT I JUST
HAVE NOT HAD ON THE SHOW EVER SINCE THEN.
AND HAVE PURPOSELY NOT HAD THEM ON THE SHOW BECAUSE I FRANKLY
DON'T WANT TO HEAR THEIR CRIME.
BUT HAVING SAID THAT--
BUT HAVING SAID THAT, THERE ARE SOME LEADERS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU
HAVE TO DO-- YOU HAVE TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS.
THEY'RE PEOPLE IN LEADERSHIP IN THE SENATE.
BUT I WON'T LET THEM COME ON WITHOUT PUTTING THEM THROUGH THE
WRINGER >> Stephen: "COUNTDOWN BIN
LADEN" IS AVAILABLE NOW.
THE MAN IS CHRIS WALLACE.
THANK YOU, CHRIS.
WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK WITH ACTRESS HOLLAND TAYLOR.
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