HIDDEN FOR 10 YEARS.♪ I >>> WELCOME BACK, EVERYONE.
YOU MAY REMEMBER LAST FALL, A
HOMELESS VETERAN CAME TO THE AID
OF A WOMAN STUCK ON A
PHILADELPHIA INTERSTATE.
PHILADELPHIA INTERSTATE. THE WOMAN AND HER BOYFRIEND
DECIDED TO PAY IT FORWARD.
THEY STARTED AN ONLINE
FUNDRAISER AND DONATIONS POURED
IN.
IN. NOW IT SEEMS LIKE THIS VIRAL
FEEL GOOD STORY MAY NOT HAVE A
HAPPY ENDING.
HAPPY ENDING. WE’LL BE JOINED LIVE BY THE
COUPLE BUT FIRST WATCH THIS.
>> LAST FALL JOHNNY BOB IT’S
STORY WENT VIRAL.
HE GAVE HIS LAST $5 TO HELP HER
WHEN SHE RAN OUT OF GAS.
>> TO HELP, THEY SET UP A
GOFUNDME WITH A GOAL OF $10,000
TO HELP BOBBITT GET OFF THE
STREET.
STREET. THE STORY INSPIRED 14,000 PEOPLE
TO DONATE OVER $400,000.
>> AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THAT
MUCH
MUCH MUCH.
MUCH. >> THAT CHANGES MY LIFE.
>> THEY SAY THEY WERE HELPING
BOBBITT MANAGE THAT MONEY.
TODAY BOBBITT TELLS PHILADELPHIA
INSPIRER HE’S BACK ON THE
STREET, BACK ON DRUGS AND
WONDERING WHERE IT WENT WRONG
TELLING LOCAL MEDIA HE’S ONLY
SEEN A FRACTION OF THE MONEY AND
NOW RETAINING A LAWYER.
>> WHAT HE WOULD LIKE IS TO
OBTAIN THE MONEY THAT WAS RAISED
FOR HIM, OVER 14,000 PEOPLE GAVE
MONEY TOE JOHNNY BOBBITT TO HELP
HIM GET OFF OF THE STREETS AND
HAVE A SAFE PLACE TO LIVE.
>> THEY TELL THE "PHILADELPHIA
INQUIRER" THEY HAVE GIVEN
BOBBITT MORE THAN HALF THE
MONEY.
MONEY. THE COUPLE MEANTIME APPEARS TO
BE DOING WELL.
IN AN INTERVIEW WITH THE
INQUIRER, MAYBE TOO WELL,
POSTING PICTURES OF A VACATION
AND A NEW CAR.
THE COUPLE SAYS THAT’S FAR FROM
THE TRUTH.
THE TRUTH. THEY SAY RECENTLY THEY BOUGHT A
USED CAR WITH 60,000 MILES ON IT
TELLING NBC NEWS THEY USED THEIR
OWN MONEY, NOT THE DONATIONS.
THEY TOLD INQUIRER GIVING A DRUG
ADDICT LIKE BOBBITT ALL THE
MONEY WOULD BE LIKE GIVING HIM A
LOADED GUN.
LOADED GUN. THE LAWYER SAID THE MONEY
BELONGS TO THE CLIENT.
BOBBITT AND 14,000 DONORS SHOULD
GET A DETAILED ACCOUNTING OF THE
MONEY RAISED.
MONEY RAISED. THEY SAY THEY CAN M’S GIVE AN
ACCOUNTING.
ACCOUNTING. AS TO GOFUNDME, THEY ARE LOOKING
INTO CLAIMS OF MOSTLY SUNNY USE.
>> PLEASE HELP ME WELCOME KATE
McCLURE AND BOB.
IT WAS AN EXTRAORDINARY MOMENT
STRANDED THERE ON THE INTERSTATE
AND HOMELESS MAN COMES OVER AND
BASICALLY GOES AND GETS YOU THE
GAS.
GAS. THAT’S WHY IT WENT VIRAL.
MOST PEOPLE WOULD SAY THAT’S SO
SWEET AND GO ON WITH THEIR
LIVES.
LIVES. WHAT MADE YOU TWO WANT TO DO
MORE.
MORE. >> HE WAS A GENUINE PERSON.
HE WAS SO NICE.
WE WENT BACK AFTERWARDS TO REPAY
HIM.
HIM. EVERY TIME WE WEPTNT BACK WE SAW
MORE AND MORE ABOUT HIS
PERSONALITY AND HOW KIND HE IS
AND DECIDED HE DOESN’T BELONG ON
THE STREET.
THE STREET. THIS IS NOT WHERE HE BELONGS.
HE BELONGS LIKE --
>> DESERVES A CLANS.
>> YOU INITIALLY THOUGHT IF YOU
COULD GIVE HIM $10,000, IT WOULD
SET HIM UP FOR SUCCESS.
>> AT LEAST OFF THE STREETS FOR
THE HOLIDAYS.
THE HOLIDAYS. SOMETHING KIND.
SOMETHING KIND. >> A PLACE TO SLEEP, SHOWER,
SOMEPLACE TO GO, CLOTHES, A CAR.
>> PEOPLE WERE INCREDIBLY
GENEROUS AND THE STORY WENT
VIRAL AND YOU WIND UP WITH
$400,000, WHICH IS SO
EXTRAORDINARY.
EXTRAORDINARY. YOU DIDN’T GET HIM -- WERE YOU
IN CONTROL OF THE FUNDS FROM THE
BEGINNING?
BEGINNING? >> YES.
>> YES. >> WHY DIDN’T YOU CUT HIM A
CHECK.
CHECK. WHY DIDN’T THAT HAPPEN?
>> IN THE BEGINNING HE DIDN’T
HAVE A BANK ACCOUNT, NO
DOCUMENTS, ID, NOTHING.
>> WE WORKED TO GET HIM ALL
THOSE THINGS.
THOSE THINGS. THAT’S TAKES SO MUCH TIME.
>> BETWEEN STATES.
>> NORTH CAROLINA, MISSOULA,
MONTANA, AND, OF COURSE,
PHILADELPHIA.
PHILADELPHIA. WE’RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW
TO GET ALL OF THESE DOCUMENTS
TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. SO I SPENT COUNTLESS HOURS ON
THE PHONE TRYING TO GET HIM HIS
IDENTIFICATION.
IDENTIFICATION. YOU KNOW YOU CAN’T JUST WALK
INTO THE DMV AND GO HERE IS MY
BIRTH CERTIFICATE.
BIRTH CERTIFICATE. IT TAKES A TON OF THINGS.
>> DURING THAT TIME, THE MONEY
WAS PLACED INTO OUR ACCOUNT.
IF HE NEEDED ANYTHING, HE HAD
IT.
IT. THERE WAS NEVER A QUESTION.
>> HE DIDN’T WANT A HOUSE.
>> NO, HIS DECISION.
>> HE’S A WANDERER.
>> HIS DREAM -- ONE OF THE FIRST
CONVERSATIONS I HAD WITH HIM WAS
WHAT HE WANTED.
YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT IN
THE WORLD.
THE WORLD. YOU WON THE LOTTERY, BASICALLY.
I ASKED HIM WHAT HIS DREAM WAS,
HE SAID TO END UP IN ALASKA IN A
TRAVEL TRAILER AND LIVING OFF
THE LAND AND FISHING AND HUNT G
HUNTING.
HUNTING. I SAID, LET’S DO IT.
>> YOU BOUGHT A TRAILER.
>> HE PICKED IT OUT AND WE
BOUGHT A TRAILER.
>> IS IT TRUE YOU ALLOWED HIM TO
KEEP IT ON YOUR PROPERTY.
>> FOR THE TIME BEING UNTIL HE
GOT EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
HIS PAPERWORK WAS A BIG ONE.
>> ALREADY IT’S PRETTY
EXTRAORDINARY, RIGHT?
EXTRAORDINARY, RIGHT? NOW YOU’VE HELPED HIM RAISE THIS
MONEY.
MONEY. YOU’VE AGREED TO CARE TAKE THE
MONEY, HELPED HIM GET A TRAILER.
IS IT TRUE YOU WERE SHOWERING
AND USINGER HOME.
>> FULL ACCESS TO THE HOUSE,
LEFT THE DOOR OPEN.
>> THIS IS OVER A FEW MONTHS’
PERIOD.
PERIOD. >> HE WAS A FAMILY.
HE IS OUR FAMILY.
I STILL THINK TO THIS DAY HE’S
OUR FAMILY.
OUR FAMILY. I STILL WILL SAY THAT.
>> LIKE EVERY FAMILY NOW THERE’S
DRAMA.
DRAMA. >> OF COURSE.
>> AND DYSFUNCTION.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> THE QUESTION IS FOR YOU HE’S
BASICALLY ACCUSING THESE TWO OF
AND MARK D’AMICO WHO STARTED A FUNDRAISER FOR JOHNNY BOBBITT
AFTER HE CAME TO HER AID AFTER
SHE RAN OUT OF GAS.
NOW THEY FIND THEMSELVES IN A
DISPUTE.
DISPUTE. ONCE YOU HAVE THIS, WHY DON’T
YOU CREATE AN ACCOUNT OR GET A
TRUSTEE FOR THE MONEY.
WHY DON’T YOU DO THAT?
>> DURING THE COURSE OF US
GETTING ALL HIS PROPER
DOCUMENTS, THE RED FLAGS WERE
POPPING UP.
POPPING UP. RIGHT AFTER CHRISTMAS, WE WERE
GOING TO SEE MY DAD, AND WE
DEPOSITED $25,000 IN HIS
ACCOUNT.
ACCOUNT. >> YOU DID CREATE AN ACCOUNT.
YOU DIDN’T FEEL COMFORTABLE
GIVING THE ENTIRE 400.
>> YES.
>> YES. WE SAW THE PATTERN DEVELOPING.
>> THAT SUGGESTED WHAT TO YOU?
>> THAT HE WAS GOING TO DO
SOMETHING FOOLISH AND END UP
RIGHT BACK WHERE HE WAS.
>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY?
>> DRUG USE.
EVERY DOLLAR HE EVER TOUCHED WAS
USED FOR DRUGS.
>> HOW DID YOU KNOW?
>> EVERYTHING HE HAD WAS THROUGH
US.
US. HIS MAILING ADDRESS BECAME OUR
MAILING ADDRESS.
MAILING ADDRESS. ALL HIS ACCOUNTS --
>> HE’S USING YOUR LYFT ACCOUNTS
AND UBER ACCOUNTS TO GO WHERE.
>> GOING TO GET DRUGS.
>> WHERE THE OBVIOUS DRUG PLACES
WERE.
WERE. NOTHING ELSE TO DO THERE.
>> HE WENT THROUGH $25,000 IN
HOW LONG?
HOW LONG? >> THIRTEEN DAYS.
>> DID YOU CONFRONT HIM ABOUT
DRUG USE.
DRUG USE. >> HE KNEW WE KNEW.
>> WE TRIED GETTING HIM INTO
MULTIPLE REHAB FACILITIES THAT
HE CHOSE ON HIS OWN.
SO WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS.
I CALLED MULTIPLE PLACES FOR
HIM.
HIM. >> YOU KNOW THAT HAPPENS.
>> THAT’S WHY HE TOOK SO LONG
FOR US TO FINALLY HAVE TO SAY NO
WHEN IT CAME TIME TO HIM ASKING
FOR MONEY WHEN WE KNEW WHERE IT
WAS GOING.
WAS GOING. IT WAS TIME -- I WANTED TO MAKE
SURE AT THE END OF THE DAY WHEN
HE WAS READY HE HAD SOMETHING
LEFT.
LEFT. >> THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A
CONTROVERSY, IF YOU RAISED
$400,000 AND HE USED IT FOR DRUG
USE.
USE. >> WE WOULD BE HERE HAVING THIS
CONVERSATION.
CONVERSATION. >> AS A LAWYER, I WOULD SAY WHY
NOT PUT IT ALL IN A SEPARATE
ACCOUNT AND GET A TRUSTEE TO
MANAGE IT RATHER THAN THE TWO OF
YOU HAVING TO MANAGE THAT.
>> THAT’S WHAT WE’RE IN THE
PROCESS OF DOING NOW.
WE’RE IN THE PROCESS OF HAVING
EVERYTHING LOOKED OVER BY OUR
LAWYER.
LAWYER. HE HAS HIS SEPARATE LAWYER AND
HE WILL HAVE HIS OWN TRUST.
IT WILL BE OUT OF HIS HANDS.
>> YOU KNOW HE’S CLAIMING YOU
TOOK THESE VACATIONS, BOUGHT
THIS CAR.
THIS CAR. >> YES.
>> YES. >> I KNOW YOU ADMITTED ONE TIME
YOU WERE WITH HIM AND USED $500
FOR A KASZ NO.
THAT WAS WITH HIS CONSENT AND
YOU PAID HIM BACK.
>> YES.
>> YES. >> OTHER THAN THAT $500 IF YOU
SPENT $1 OF THAT $400,000 YOUR
SELF.
SELF. >> NO.
>> NO. >> NOTHING.
>> NOTHING. YOU’RE REPRESENTING THAT NOW.
THERE WILL NEVER BE ANY PROOF
YOU DID.
YOU DID. >> NO.
>> NO. >> HOW MUCH IS LEFT IN THE
ACCOUNT NOW?
ACCOUNT NOW? >> WE’RE IN THE PROCESS OF
FINDING OUT.
FINDING OUT. LIKE WE SAID, IT WAS IN OUR
ACCOUNT.
ACCOUNT. >> YOU MUST KNOW --
>> HE HAS WELL OVER $150,000
LEFT.
LEFT. >> $150,000 LEFT.
>> WELL OVER THAT.
>> $250,000 SPENT.
>> IT WAS AFTER $350 AFTER THE
FEES FROM GOFUNDME.
YES, HE SPENT A LOT OF MONEY.
HE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF MONEY.
>> ALL ON THE TRAILER AND WHAT?
>> TRAILER.
>> TRAILER. >> THIS WASN’T ALL ON DRUGS.
IT WAS -- HE STARTED WITH
NOTHING.
NOTHING. LEGAL FEES THAT WERE PAST DUE,
COURT COST, THE TRAILER, SENDING
HIS PARENTS MONEY.
ALSO HIS BROTHER CAME INTO THE
PICTURE AND WAS ALSO LICHINGVING
OPPOSE OUR PROPERTY, WHO IS ALSO
AN ADDICT.
AN ADDICT. >> ARE YOU HAPPY TO HAVE A
FORENSIC ACCOUNTANT COME IN AND
LOOK AT THE ACCOUNTS.
>> THAT’S WHAT WE’RE IN THE
PROCESS OF DOING.
>> YOU’RE FINE WITH THAT.
>> TO THE PEOPLE WHO READ THAT
INQUIRER ACCOUNT, THESE TWO
COMMITTED FRAUD.
COMMITTED FRAUD. YOU’VE BEEN GETTING DEATH
THREATS, YOU TRIED TO DO A GOOD
THING.
THING. OH, KATE.
OH, KATE. WHAT DO YOU WANT PEOPLE TO KNOW?
>> IT’S SO HARD TO DEAL WITH,
BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING ONE
SIDE OF THE STORY, AND RECEIVING
DEATH THREATS AND THREATS TO
BURN MY HOUSE DOWN AND THREATS
AGAINST MY FAMILY AND EVERYTHING
LIKE THAT IS SO HARD TO DEAL
WITH WHEN WE KNOW THAT WE DID A
GOOD THING.
GOOD THING. I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE DID A
GOOD THING, AND I WOULD DO IT
ALL OVER AGAIN.
I WOULD DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN FOR
HIM.
HIM. >> THEY HAVE SAID THEY WILL HAVE
A FORENSIC ACCOUNTING, THEY HAVE
SAID FINE WITH TRUSTEE.
THEY HAVE SAID THEY WOULD OPEN
UP THE BOOKS.
WHAT MORE COULD THEY DO?
I WOULD URGE ANYBODY TO WITHHOLD
JUDGMENT UNTIL THAT’S MADE
PUBLIC.
PUBLIC. ANYBODY MAKING DEATH THREATS
AGAINST THIS COUPLE THAT CLEARLY
TRIED TO HELP THIS MAN NEEDS TO