Somebody back there, yeah. (Participant) I work without a lesson, (G) and oh
good this time I heard, you work with adolescents. (P) yeah that what I've noticed because I come
from this Focusing place I feel like there's a collective felt sense and a collective felt shift
in the group. I actually this early can feel it. And I just wondered what you thought of that? (G)
When we first asked you you're telling us these kids focus. How did you achieve that? (P) Well
I did it in this group kind of a way, that I had been visualized and then see themselves in various
situations and then they kind of collaborate and. (G) OK thank you OK there would be a lot to
say. But let me just say this is obviously good work she's doing right that's clear,
well your people are telling you years later that right. So this is clearly good work. So whether I
have anything to compare it or not. I will say I one, one criteria one way that we have of teaching
the business world in the rest of the world is that we know how to run meetings much better than
they do. They waste an incredible amount of time meetings the kind of meetings where nobody dares
to say what they really think anyhow. We can get it so that they can say what they really think.
But the center of the Focusing of this is that it would be much more not just for people to say what
they really think, but for people to be able to say what they never heard themselves think before.
Follow me? And that's my simple way of tacking that spot. It's like the process I'm interested
in is where people find themselves saying what they themselves never thought or felt before.
And that happens of course with listening. It happens slowly but it happens and I think supports
our .. with that. I don't need your answer, but I would ask you that. Do you, and if not,
then I would say you can improve it by creating that situation. You can create it by dividing
them into threesomes - one talk one listen and one watch that nothing goes wrong sort of way. People
need to have somewhat quieter space than that big buzzing group even if it's five people it's still
a group, it is the public space. So I would ask that question. OK. Now I'm finally ready to answer
the question. The question was is there a group felt sense, felt shift thing and I would say I
don't know much about that. Because where I have been. OK not quite right to start that way. I just
finished saying to Nada, let's have a break after an hour unless the unless the energy in the room
is low then we could have it sooner. So there's no question but what I have something there right.
There's no question, but I can feel the group and that's one reason I always insist on being close
to I can't talk to people that are way over there. I have to have you where I can see you, because so
yes of course there is, of course there is. But then I have very, very bad experience always when
people treat a group in that language. And we used to have a lovely person, who isn't here,
we used to have a lovely person who would do the closing and she would always do this thing:
"Well we have all experienced..." and I would go furious because the hell with that. You don't know
what I've experienced and it's not the same thing as this person, it's not the same as that person,
but this was our lovely person who did the closing. And I don't know how to do a closing,
so I wasn't going. So I always go to the bathroom at that point. So I don't blow up. So my own sense
of the collective is very wary. (P) huh okay when I have felt this collective which was
a feeling it's only happened a few times. (G) oh absolutely and that's fine then uh. Then I have a
simple answer, no I don't know more about it than what you said okay repeat (P)thank you so very
much (G) well I will say again that I know some lovely people who are looking on collective for
felt shift and all that and when they explained it to me very carefully for three hours I realized
that they have nothing there. They're talking about something even before the kind of group
in which somebody would say something first. So watch the people who use same language.