Clarence Thomas continues to be a pube on America's coke can.
This time claiming that COVID-19 and its vaccine are made of aborted fetuses.
That it's got all the things.
It's got all the things.
Thomas made those remarks in a minority dissent after the Supreme Court refused
to hear a case challenging New York's vaccine mandates based on religion for
healthcare workers specifically, right?
So this is a group of 16 doctors, nurses and other health care workers brought
the case, suing the US District Court for the Northern District of New York in
an objection to the state's vaccine mandate on religious grounds.
District court issued a preliminary injunction, but
the 2nd US Circuit Court of Appeals reversed it and
the Supreme Court ultimately declined to hear the challenge on Thursday.
Thomas is real mad.
He really wanted to stick this landing of a week from hell.
So he wrote, they object on religious grounds.
Referring to the health care workers to all available COVID-19 vaccines
because they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children.
Okay, now it's unclear whether that is their religious objection.
He might just be saying that.
Now, I want to just say that does sound nuts and it is nuts and
it's not actually true.
But vaccine technology actually has relied on cells of fetuses.
Incredible life saving.
If you wanna be pro life lifesaving science here.
So this is from National Geographic, just explaining how it works.
The cells are grown in a lab that were derived from a few elective abortions.
That means choice abortions performed more than three decades ago.
The same cell lines are also used to test and
advance understandings of several routine drugs.
Acetaminophen, ibuprofen, aspirin and they continue to be used for
treatment in such diseases, Alzheimer's and hypertension.
So many people don't realize how important fetal cell lines are to develop
life saving medicines and vaccines that they rely on every day, says Amesh Adalja,
an infectious disease expert at Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.
Their use in development of COVID-19 vaccines isn't anything different or
special.
So he's not wrong.
But he's still crazy.
And of course this feeds into a broad anti vax q and on far right logic and
agenda just before I can get to you guys for some context.
The Vatican itself, super pro COVID-19 vaccine.
Not pro choice, pro COVID-19 vaccines.
The watchdog office for doctrinal orthodoxy had said in 2020 that it was
morally acceptable for Roman Catholics to get the jab after anti-abortion
groups had raised concerns about vaccines.
I wanna get your guys opinion.
My personal thought is this is, there's a lot of research that is done.
Thanks to like this kind of technology and
like stem cell research is one of those things that the right freaked out about.
And honestly, I'm like, no, this is a good thing.
If you're gonna terminate a pregnancy, I would wanna create a vaccine off of that.
I'm gonna just be real.
>> Yeah, so I will, a lot of strong opinions on this and you're shocked.
I'm gonna get to research involving fetal cell lines.
Quick summary of that for you is I love it.
My God, are you like allowed to love things that I object to religiously?
Yes, I am.
So you can suck it.
We'll get back to that.
So, and of course I'm right and you're wrong.
[LAUGH] Probably if you're in that so called pro life position, in fact,
this shows you how wrong you are.
So, let me explain the facts.
So, Francesca is right.
The original in the production.
But this is very important guys.
In the production of the vaccine in the first place,
they use fetal cell lines, that's not actually from the aborted fetuses.
It is in a laboratory that they create those.
But they created them in the beginning all the way back in the 1970s and
80s from voluntarily aborted fetuses back then, okay?
But the new ones that they are creating are just in a lab.
They're not going and getting new fetuses or whatever along those lines, right?
But much more importantly, the vaccines themselves, see when they hear stuff like
this, the right wing thinks, the vaccines filled with aborted fetuses.
No, the vaccine itself has none of that.
As they were doing the research for
the vaccine, they used fetal cell lines created in a lab.
Okay, so just to be clear on it.
Now, some people, the reason why Francesca says Clarence Thomas isn't totally wrong,
is some people do object to that religiously.
They go, no, I don't care.
I don't care that the vaccine doesn't have it.
I don't care that these cell lines were created in labs,
the origin of those cell lines back in the 1970s, etc, right?
Okay, well then, do you really have a pro life position?
Do you realize how counterproductive that argument is to your so
called pro life position?
You say, well, I don't want any abortions because they might use aborted fetuses to
create vaccines that saved millions of lives.
And you're pro life?
The vaccines so far in a recent survey that I saw the study
that I saw have saved over two million lives.
Two million lives.
And religious nutjobs, zealots, fundamentalist,
American Taliban go and say we shouldn't have saved those lives.
Because I'm pro life.
Well, no, you're not pro life.
You're a lunatic who doesn't understand science.
And finally, that gets me to using fetal cell lines, I love it.
So I'm not supposed to use science?
When someone chose to have an abortion 40, 50 years ago, I'm not
supposed to use that to create something in a lab that saves millions of lives.
No, I refuse to be an idiot.
Okay, and you say, well, I have religious objections.
Well, good news.
We don't live in a Christian nation.
We are not ruled by the American Taliban.
We actually live in a secular country.
It was the first secular country on earth.
We are known, we are the core of our country and
the constitution is that we are secular and not guided by any religion so
that we can save millions of lives when science finds a way to do that,
instead of somebody going, no man, I don't.
The invisible Man told me, I don't like it, okay?
That's not even true.
Read the goddamn bible numbers five through 11 through 31.
God is definitely definitely pro abortion.
And if you think your wife cheated on you,
God will deliver the performed the abortion for you.
Read the Bible, stop being so ignorant.
And besides which even if you disagree with me on the Bible, I don't care.
We don't live in a Christian country.
We live in a country that is secular and supposed to be guided by
all of us deciding in a democracy based on reason and logic.
I know you hate that idea.
You hate logic if you're pro life.
You despise it and you're like, no, I want the invisible rules of the invisible
man that he whispered into my ear or two into a rabbi's here 2500 years ago.
And I totally misinterpret the thing that he whispered in 2500 years ago, but
I don't care.
I don't want you to save those lives.
No deal.
We're gonna go save those lives, and if we use fetal cell lines, that's fantastic.
Jordan.
>> But yeah,
really quickly, I just want to say those healthcare workers did resign.
They and they had every right to, but the hospitals they were working on also had
a right to actually impose a vaccine mandate.
Their healthcare workers,
Jordan I'm surprised though that they didn't take up this case.
Maybe I could get your thoughts on them, like passing this one over.
I don't know, I think I kind of want to bring it back to the Clarence Thomas thing
specifically because I do think like, I'm just, [LAUGH] I'm listening.
It's great to watch the show happen.
It's a reminder of how like horrifying it is that Jenny Thomas and
Clarence Thomas are such powerful people in Washington.
I think you're being very generous in your difference to him.
Like, well, he's kind of right?
Like, well not this vaccine specifically from what I understand.
But it's also just like it really,
it's a dark reminder that she has been pushing these conspiracy theories and
has been such a major player in like the Fringe right wing world.
That I can't help but think there was some overlap there and
why even like focusing on that, in his opinion.
I'm really disturbed that she's still a figure and
he's not removed from the court.
He has no business being on the Supreme Court.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah if you don't think we should save millions of lives,
the government should not save millions of lives because of fetal cell lines.
Yeah, I think you're totally nuts.
Don't get me wrong.
I mean, I think Clarence Thomas belongs in a mental asylum way more than he belongs
on the Supreme Court.
Let me be perfectly clear about that.
But let me enrage the so called pro life people one more time,
of course they're anti life.
They would kill everything and anything in their way,
as long as they think Yahweh wants it or some stupid evangelical preacher that has
nothing to do with God that has tricked them and rob them of all their money,
they'll listen to him rather than scientists and doctors.
But guys, for me, abortion, to me, it's like knee surgery.
Like a lot of people are going no!
How can you think that, that's so wrong.
That's what I think it's not at all wrong.
I am far more correct, scientifically, empirically, logically, humanely, morally.
So again, we are not forced into having your opinions.
I know right wingers hate that.
They hate the idea of freedom.
They think that everyone should be ruled by the demons inside their heads.
No deal, it's called America, we all get to have our opinions and then we vote.
That's how it works.