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- I wasn't planning to go to college.
That wasn't, like, a goal of mine.
My parents were like, well, you should apply
to at least one college.
And I was like, I'll never get in here.
And then I went to Yale.
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Should we just, like, go down and do...
- intros?
- Yeah. I'm Sada. I'm 24.
I work in finance.
I have a bachelor's degree.
I went to Yale.
- I'm Tyler. I'm 21.
I am a high school graduate.
And I work in the Marine Corps.
- I'm Kaylee.
I'm 25.
I'm a software developer.
I went to Ohio University,
and I have a bachelor's Degree.
- Maria.
I'm 30 years old.
I have my PhD in cancer biology,
and I work in a biotech industry.
Grad school, I went to University of South Carolina.
In undergrad I went to University of Florida.
- Hi everybody.
My name is Sean.
I'm 27.
I'm the director of social media for a company.
And I also work for ad agency.
I got a double major in dance and cultural anthropology.
Undergrad, I went to Loyola Marymount University.
- Hi everybody.
I'm Ray.
I'm 24.
I graduated with a Bachelor's Degree from Harvard recently,
and I work in consulting.
- Oh, y'all are babies.
(talking and laughing)
- I know that's what I was saying.
Is age a factor?
- Yeah.
It gives you, like, years of experience in life.
- Well I guess...
We need a...
Maybe it's good
to identify what intelligence means to everybody.
- I think intelligence is better
to find as your adaptability
and your problem solving skills,
more than it is your education.
Obviously, like the education,
the stuff you've been through,
puts a lot into play in it
because it gives you more resources,
more thoughts to draw from.
The formal education definitely helps,
but I don't think it's in any way essential.
- [Interviewer] So, what is the most essential?
- I'd say the most essential thing was
probably be common sense.
- Yeah. So for me personally,
I think intelligence is both EQ, IQ,
and that common-sense, street-smart intelligence,
all of that combined.
- People consciously or unconsciously,
when they see someone,
form an opinion immediately,
like I'm sure we all did right away.
- When I saw you.
I told myself, Maria,
do not judge him just by his looks.
He could be throwing you off
or that's just who he is,
but he can talk the talk and walk the walk.
Sean.
I didn't wanna judge him based on the way he looks
or dresses or acts.
So I was like, I think he's intelligent.
- First impressions.
I would put him at the bottom,
only because when I was in school,
all the other people
with like the bright neon colors and stuff,
they were typically the ones doing worse
in classes.
If we were ranking confidence,
I'd definitely put Sean at very first place.
- So what is the definition that we're going with,
is the biggest question?
- I like your definition.
- I know I was gonna say, I like my definition.
(laughing)
- [Kaylee] Yeah.
- It combines everything.
- Does anyone have any like initial...
- Opinions?
- You can be honest. (Ray laughing)
- Start on that side.
(all talking and laughing)
- I'm done going first.
- I feel like I have a good combination
of both like book smart and street smart.
So yeah, I think I have some input on that.
There's so many aspects to intelligence.
It really goes beyond IQ and EQ.
Even those two different factors really don't really
capture what it really means to be intelligent.
- I know I'm not, you know, from Yale.
I don't have a PhD,
but what I lack in those areas,
I'm able to still problem solve
and use my own skillset,
my emotional intelligence,
as well as my social intelligence.
- Besides my education and background,
I feel like I have high, like, emotional intelligence.
Like I'm aware of my surroundings
- As a software developer,
my problem solving skills are obviously topnotch,
I think I would say.
My whole life, I've kind of
had to fight to be seen as intelligent.
I think I'm so used to having to do
that as a woman to just like step up
and be like, yep.
I deserve to be here.
My first job out of college, I was working at a law firm.
Gentleman came up to me and said,
hi, you don't look like somebody
that would work at a law firm.
You look like somebody I'd go on spring break with.
And I'm like, what? (laughing)
- Like obviously out of everyone here,
I've got the least formal education.
I consider myself intelligent.
My mental dedication and my ability to adapt
and to problem solve.
What I do in the Marine Corps,
I'm a seabird defense specialist.
So I think that by virtue of what I do,
that already requires some amount of intelligence.
- Sorry, quick question.
So do you think that only certain people can do your job,
or do you think anyone can do your job?
- Only certain people.
You have to take the ASVAB before you go into the military.
That's not really how much you know,
but how well you can learn information.
And I got a 94 on that.
It's not an amount of how much you study,
how much you know.
You're not gonna really get better at learning.
Does that make sense?
- I strongly disagree
with "you don't get better at learning."
The idea that you can get better
at learning is a pretty big signifier of intelligence.
I'm very much dyslexic.
I have ADHD, and I'm on the autism spectrum.
Dyslexia means that there's a big gap in comprehension.
So I was scoring 99th percentile
in certain areas and like third percentile in others.
I'll never be able to learn another language.
I took Spanish for 12 years,
and I can still basically only order a burrito.
- So I have a question.
Why did you go to Yale?
And why did you go to Harvard?
- My parents are immigrants from China,
and I'm a first-generation immigrant as well
and college student as well.
My family always really stressed the importance
of formal education.
For me, that was something that I really strived for.
- I wasn't planning to go to college.
I didn't, that wasn't like a goal of mine.
My parents were like,
well you should apply to at least one college.
And I was like, I'll never get in here.
And then I went to Yale.
- [Interviewer] Why don't you guys rank each other
from one to six, including yourself,
and give reasons why you wanna do what you're doing.
- I gotta go one,
- No.
- Oh yeah.
two,
three,
four,
five,
six.
I would rank you as a six,
not meaning that you're not intelligent.
I also think that I don't place a lot
of value on the military.
(laughing)
- Period.
- No, that yeah. Full, full stop.
- I'd probably do
one,
two,
three,
four,
five, six.
I'm sorry.
- I'm the villain this episode. (laughing)
- Does anyone think they're like at either end
of the spectrum?
- I'd say I'm one, if nothing else
because I know what I'm about.
And I'm sure of that.
- Wait, you guys have to rank everyone too.
That is so unfair. (all laughing)
- No, no, no, no, no.
- I would say one, two, three,
four, five, six.
- Okay.
I think one,
two,
three,
four,
five, six.
I'm sorry.
- Oh.
- I'm sorry.
It's hard for me to look past the education part,
going to college.
I think you learn a lot,
if nothing else emotionally,
but I still think you're smart. (laughing)
- Thank you.
- Sorry.
One, two, three,
four,
five,
six.
One: immigrant parents,
first generation going to college,
humble, modest.
Two: me, I don't know.
PhD, cancer biology scientist. - Own it. (all laughing)
I work in a biotech company.
We make COVID 19 testing kits, stuff like that.
- [Sada And Sean] Oh.
- And then six:
it has nothing to do with your background.
I don't think you really have the highest EQ out
of all of us.
Tyler, he ranked last for me personally
because the way he carries himself.
He was ranking intelligence based
on his point of view and not taking
in other people's point of views and compiling results.
But really just came down to his body language,
his demeanor, the way he carried himself,
the way he acted towards the group.
- I would put
one,
two,
three,
four, five, and I'm six.
So the reason why I put you
at number one is I think you have the highest,
not only EQ score out of everybody,
but the way you present yourself
as well as being a PhD student,
I think it's just like a huge thing.
And that I put myself six
because I feel like I might be the weakest
in terms of actual IQ score.
Hopefully I can make it up in everything else.
So I did put myself as least intelligent.
However, if it can't be me,
I definitely think Tyler, unfortunately.
His way of thinking
is linear.
And I think intelligence is almost like a sphere.
It's a picture.
And right now he's only coloring
with one color than, you know, with the rainbow.
- So who got the most number ones?
Okay.
- Down.
- who got the most...
- (mumbling) was pretty up there too.
- I feel like you were definitely three, right?
- Yeah.
- I'm in between Harvard and Yale.
- You're four and I'm five.
- Sure.
I think that I sort of expected
to be ranked a little bit lower.
At first glance and first interaction with me,
it's hard to tell how intelligent I am.
It's hard to tell how intelligent anybody is.
- Is anyone upset with where they're standing?
- I think it makes sense that I'm down here.
Like the guy who graduated
from high school and then joined the military.
He probably wouldn't be like high up on there.
If I was in their shoes,
I definitely would've also ranked myself among the lowest.
- I do feel like there might be a prejudice acting
in terms of ranking you.
- Okay. I was thinking that too. (laughing)
- Highly. - Oh.
- But I agree with the ranking.
I think you probably are the most intelligent
out of all of us.
I would feel weird placing you there
and not acknowledging the dynamics in which we did so.
Hearing that I had
to take an IQ test was definitely hard to hear.
Quantifying things for me in that realm is really hard
because it gives you something really solid.
Even if you don't buy into IQ tests,
it still gives you a number at the end of the day
which is something you have to grapple with.
- I literally thought when you said
to open the computer, we're gonna look at social media.
That I didn't think an IQ test would be part of it.
- It was kind of expected.
We're being ranked by intelligence.
You know, an IQ test.
It's not that far out the realm of possibility.
- [Interviewer] So number one is Raymond.
Number two would be Kaylee.
Number three will be Tyler.
And number four would be Sada.
Number five is Sean.
And number six is Maria.
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- I think an IQ test, tests something.
I don't think it's intelligence.
It's definitely testing something.
IQ tests are now known to be flawed
and like based on incorrect sample sizes.
I have really severe dyslexia.
There's two questions on that test
that I automatically, basically can't answer.
- I'm sure if you studied for an IQ test,
you would do a lot better.
- [Maria] Yeah.
- IQ tests are just one aspect
or one way to measure intelligence.
It's really on a spectrum,
what constitutes somebody as intelligent.
- Before this, all I knew about IQ tests is
that they existed and the I stands for intelligence.
I've never looked into IQ tests before.
Coming here today, them saying the EQ.
That was the first time I've ever heard
that term in my life.
- Coming back to intelligence; it's not just your IQ,
it's your EQ, it's your common sense,
it's street smarts.
Sure. It is some type of metrics,
similar to an SAT, an ACT score is a metric
for getting into college.
But there's more to that person than that test.
- I'm actually excited. I wasn't last.
Cause I thought I was gonna be last,
not gonna lie.
I think an IQ test is a good indicator
to see how people handle pressure.
But I think that's easier to make sense
in our heads that, oh, you're smart
and you're not smart.
- Definitely don't think it's the best metric.
I've been exposed to tests like these,
probably more than most people here.
That already gives me an unfair advantage.
- This is my villain redemption arc.
I'm climbing up the ladder. (laughing).
- Yeah.
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