steve sutton is online as he's the vice president of the did for development
with the leadership institute
leadership institute
dot or is the website leadership institute
uh... as a training program which was graduates include
senator mitch mcconnell grover norquist ralph reed and
and strong moral carl wolf
end dusty suddenly i understand that you first i welcome the program like
economics good to be wouldn't understand that you
then your group
worthy subjects of clara scrutiny
yes we're or and back path of hurricane time that
the nonprofit or applying for a tax exempt status
or
uh... looked at we were being offered
uh... at the time line inverting identical
which makes us think that
this is much larger than groups that were applying
non-profit status we've been asked by non-profit biking seventy nine
and uh...
and yet we were audited
during the same time frame
here five oh one c_ four
no overseas three you're seeing is c three c u you disclose your donors
but you have texas and status
nope where you know we do not go to schools donors chic resort force to talk
to schools
uh... donors to differences in the level of political activity that you can do
fondant and many organizations have a seat three and they also have a c_ four
uh... to allow them to do more what we do not do that were strictly a c three
and uh...
and we have been since
nineteen thirty-nine seared your social welfare organization the same categories
a hospital or a school they were or yay for biz kids that kind of thing
or uh... community organizers or media matters for planned parenthood test
right
why what is the commitment is the social welfare
prioritize i get your point and i would put the same question to you
to uh...
david what's up rock you know i if he was here
what is the social welfare that your organization does that justifies maya
paying taxes for your police services wire services and and other use of the
commons that you don't have to pay for
proponents quick question i think it is central to part of this debate
uh... people i think i understand that social welfare doesn't mean that needs
to be socialist or for welfare
uh... social welfare is a very broad category and so uh... we are an
educational uh... institution how we do training programs we've got
forty different training programs
and we can get people to get more involved in public policy uh... and so
cease essentially a school
uh... yes we have uh... workshops ranging from acetate four days
and that's all we do and so uh... there's a lot of things that are part of
that
but uh... we are training organization and so companies or the other word other
these other organizations
the the irish has a very broad definition of social welfare because
uh... it's very difficult uh... as you stated uh... is difficult way to draw
the line on what that means failures here's the answer is one of the things i
find interesting about this
one of the arguments that is made by many of your graduates
uh... and uh... certainly people like mitch mcconnell and grover norquist
synchro
is that
we should only be
that that the government should only be involved
in those specific things that are listed in article one section eight
and of the constitution
four which congress can appropriate funds you know like uh...
you know roads for the postal system economic
and uh... the army
end and yet the opening of article one section eight says
congressman appropriate funds i'm paraphrasing
uh... to
to serve with the general welfare the united states right alexander hamilton
in his seventeen ninety one addressed to congress on manufactures
when juror relatively long rant
about how using federal funds to support emerging industries
uh... fell under the general welfare clause of article one section eight
and that and that and he was only has a wrote the constitution
and then when i wrote the constitution they intended for that general welfare
clause two b
as broadly interpreted as congress felt the need to do basically i can review
the exact language but it's been close to that
brown to give maximal attitude to congress uh... in present and future
times to meet the needs of the general welfare
why would
uh... it said there seems to be cognitive dissonance here between uh...
people who say
you know the constitution same general welfare should not be interpreted
broadly
but the i_r_s_ code the same social welfare should be interpreted broadly
time
yeah ivy and uh...
among comfortable uh... discussing a paraphrasing uh...
uh... the founders of over two years ago when there was no income tax uh... as we
all know
uh... and and and try to read their minds as to what uh... welfare and what
social welfare
the distinctions between the two on but i do agree with you that this is the job
of congress in congress perhaps is not town to draw that they need to do to
better define what that means which has forced the i_r_s_ to make a a very tough
decisions
but the problem in this case though is that uh... i think it's generally agreed
that i think i rested not
uh... uh... applied his standard in a non-political white and that is why did
theater eric holder's uses is uh... plunged criminal investigation
the president has called it
um... unacceptable incomparable inexcusable um... and and and so uh...
but but i'd don't disagree with your point which i think is very validate
in general white was that uh... that lacks definition
better virtually impossible to decipher
leaving it to the regulatory agencies to do so and uh... particularly with the
tax code that has to do is non profits which basically means that all the rest
of us are subsidizing new and then media matters
with our tax dollars shutdowns or i would add
we're our local subsiding moved to amend dot org which she recently uh... sure
today said that uh... people to go to the website inclined yes and then click
on and i know i i love the opinion most of these organizations if they were
running as for-profit corporations rather than not for profit corporations
probably would lose most of their daughters i don't agree with that and
and and and the developments i do with the fundraising here
and i don't think people donate because of the fat per se i think most people
don't ignore the small donors done even bliss the summit acts as an assistant
problem
pride and and and paul and so uh... would you join me in calling for
has to really seriously reevaluate our tax code and say
you know only organizations that are they're doing basic pena kau matthew
twenty-five stuff oni feeding the homeless onto the healing the sick you
know uh... david beat that that basic core stuff
really should be quality qualify for a subsidy from all the rest of us in terms
of not only pay taxes i'd i think i would join you if he wins forces say
that nobody should because
it would be impossible to draw the line of the problem when someone says social
welfare
with ralph reed
on until you mentioned helping the poor instruction what about
hitting the portal organized and fashionable tartikoff volunteers appears
event lafayette then you have a problem though the for-profit corporations have
to be designed to show a profit first rather than
uh... it's comprehensive where all the time of sorry obscene seven vice
president almost called expenses and
this is the come markman leadership institute dot org steve thanks for her
civil conversation
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