>> Yesterday there was a poll out indicating that both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren
are tied at the top of the pole when it comes to Democratic candidates for President.
They're both pulling a 20%, Biden pulling at 19%, which means that they're at a statistical
tie.
But the big takeaway was that Biden lost a considerable amount of support among various
groups or demographics within the Democratic Party.
Including Democrats who consider themselves moderates and conservatives.
So I was invited on the Cuomo show, Cuomo Prime Time in order to debate this with Ana
Navarro.
So Ana Navarro is representing the moderate Democrats, I'm representing progressives.
And an interesting topic came up in the middle of this conversation, I'm just showing you
the part that's the most fiery, I guess, with that settled, let's take a look.
Will Kasparian get behind to Joe Biden?
Will you get behind a Joe Biden?
I want trump out, so I do agree that its important to support whoever ends up winning the Democratic-
Look how your backloading it.
No, no, no, I'm not back loading it, I mean, I did not like Hillary Clinton as a Democratic
candidate.
But when push came to shove, the right thing to do was to vote for her.
And that's what I did, even as someone who lives in California who could have very easily
cast a protest vote.
But let's cross that bridge when we get there, I actually would- We're a long way from it,
long way, I agree, yeah.
We are, we' are a long way from it.
But I just wanna quickly talk about or answer the question about who would be the best challenger
to Donald Trump.
I mean, look, Biden's got to figure out which state he's in first before he talks about
fighting Donald Trump.
I mean, he is campaigning in New Hampshire, he thinks he's in Vermont.
He's had one gaffe after the next, after the next.
And Biden has this habit, and I think you see this with a lot of establishment Democrats,
where he thinks he can work with the right wing and compromise with the right wing.
I think that establishment Democrats are really missing the point.
We don't want someone who's gonna concede to the right wing, we want a fighter.
We want someone who's gonna make the Republican Party bend to our will, because we've been
conceding to their side for far too long, far too often and that has created the type
of political climate and the political situation we're dealing with today.
Yeah, so and that was an amazing job, but I first I gotta give credit to Chris Cuomo
one more time.
And I'll tell you why, because on that same as CNN Network over the last 24 hours, we
had Jeffrey Toobin come out and dismiss that pulled and Anna was referring to.
As a rinky dink pole, and then Harry Anton came out and he said, it's an outlier and
he's almost screaming at the TV.
Normally, he's just a very calm, the numbers guy, comes out, hey, Joe Biden is leading,
everybody's happy, right?
Now, all of a sudden, for the first time, Joe Biden is not leading and he's screaming
to the camera.
No way this is an outlier!
Ignore this poll!
Ignore this poll, right?
Hey, take it easy, take it easy and in the bad old days, well, that would have been it.
And it would have been all establishment Democrats or Republicans talking amongst themselves.
Mm-hm.
Is it gonna be Trump or Biden?
A set of choices that most of the country doesn't want.
Cuomo provided a space for actual progressives to go on air and you could tell, because Anna
says things like.
We're gonna make them bend to our will which I haven't heard that in television since I
was on MSNBC.
But other than that, hat's for like 20 years, right?
That was previously unallowed on television, the strong progressives.
So she says then I'm back on tonight, so they're not stopping us.
I know its kinda of a funny thing to praise CNN for, but they should be praised for that-
Yeah.
MSNBC doesn't have anything like that on air, right now.
Right, so look, I wanna be super clear.
I give Cuomo, and his producers all the credit, because they do provide a platform for progressive
ideas.
And you don't see that anywhere else in, Cable News.
I mean, Brian Stelter also invited me back on that was like a few months ago, so I give
him credit for that as well.
But I mean in terms of repeat progressive guests, you're right.
I mean, you've been going on Cuomo on a regular basis and it is important to break through
to people who don't necessarily watch digital media or independent media.
It's important to break through the people who are relying on CNN to get all of their
information.
And if you don't have that progressive view represented, well, then there's an entire
world out there that some of these viewers are completely unaware of.
And I think that people do want a fighter.
I mean, some on the right saw that segment and decided to come after me and argue that
I'm being authoritative or an authoritarian, I should say, authoritarian.
And I'm like, you guys support Donald Trump, who wants to bypass Congress in every way
possible to get exactly what he wants.
Right wingers just crying about authoritarian government, are you crazy?
Really?
With a straight face?
Yeah.
Yeah, so no, the Democrats have been unfortunately incredibly weak in our lifetimes and so, it's
about time that we have strong progressives that say, no, no, no.
I'm tired of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, beseeching Republicans.
Please, pretty please, will you work with us?
How about we beat them with a stick, politically, and we crush them, and we win, and then we
enforce our will?
When Republicans say that everybody's like, well, that's normal, of course, bravo Republicans
way to be strong.
When Democrats say it, well, first of all, they're not allowed on television previously.
Now, when you hear it on television they're like, are they allowed to say that?
And apparently we are, so that's why we're giving them credit.
Look, CNN also has Alexandra Rojas is a contributor.
She's the head of the Justice Democrats, so it's not just those Van Jones and there are
other people on CNN.
It's all the sudden not like this weird aberration.
I think that they're quicker to acknowledge that there is actually a progressive wing
of the Democratic Party and guess what, Harry?
I know you're unset about this outlier bowl, but it's real and we're winning.
And think about it this guy's, even win it and tons of the world fleet freak out.
And as long as, by the way, he freaks out in my opinion, I'm sure he thinks that I freak
out about different things.
But as long as everybody's allowed on, let's have an exchange of ideas, no problem at all.
Totally agree, totally agree.
And by the way, I thought, so Cuomo wants to challenge all of his guests.
So I'm not taking this personally at all.
I actually liked when he challenges me, because it gives me an opportunity to answer common
right wing talking points or maybe moderate Democrat talking points that we see.
But the whole thing about backloading in that very first part of the clip.
Like, what did I say that made it seem like I was backloading?
I thought that was interesting.
No, no, I get what he's saying, I mean, he's basically saying, look, you're saying, hold
my nose and support Biden.
Of course, I'm gonna hold my nose.
Yeah, and your saying, yeah, it's true, I think that's what it means by backloading.
He's not that wrong about it.
I hate question though, I hate that question.
Not because I'm worried about telling people what I'm gonna do, I just don't want to message
to establishment Democrats that we're gonna hold our noses and vote for them no matter
what.
Right, so I hate that.
And your absolutely right about the framing, so last thing I'll say about that and I won't
say one more thing about MSNBC and CNN.
Is that they always frame it as will the crazy Bernie people support the mainstream Democrat
when he obviously eventually wins, right?
You could frame it as, the much more interesting question, which is will the establishment
Democrats support Bernie Sanders, if he wins?
I was gonna ask Ana Navarro that, but I just decided, I wanna move on and just talk about
the importance of electing someone who's gonna fight.
That's a much more legitimate question, because the overwhelming majority Bernie Sanders supporters
did vote for Hillary Clinton more so than Hillary Clinton supporters voted for Barack
Obama in 2008.
So there's actually facts and evidence to show that Sanders supporters do come back
into the fold at higher percentages than averages historical averages.
But you have non-stop people on television say no way for Bernie.
Never Bernie, never Bernie, so that's a legitimate question.
Are these corporate Democrats gonna go against their own bread and butter and go against
their lobbyist and consultant friends, and all their money to support Bernie Sanders.
I think they just started asking that now, you know why?
Cuz Bernie Sanders is now at number one.
So getting back to that poll to finish that thought, look the end times in the two business
etc.
Now, we're all in the same place arguing over the things and you get saying that you like.
But Harry, we're gonna meet you at the next poll and the one after that and the one after
that.
So you can get all emotional that my God, my beloved Joe Biden doesn't have the lead
anymore.
This poll must be crazy, I don't believe these numbers, no problem.
I'll see you at the next poll, okay, and we're gonna win that one and the one after that.
And they'll be a little bit of variation, etc., but if you think Biden's gonna has the
lead and is gonna keep the lead or is gonna retake the lead.
Well, I'm gonna be proven right and you're gonna be proven wrong and the whole countries
gonna see it.
So God bless that's an exchange of ideas, on the other hand at MSNBC.
God.
Their idea of a progressive is someone who is like, I find Bernie Sanders physically
repulsive and I have no basis for that.
I just wanted to say it, cuz I hate him and they're like see?
Bravo, progressive, she doesn't like Trump either, no, that's not a progressive.
Yeah.
And they're littered with ex-Republicans, ex-Republicans or current Republicans who
are like, well, yes, Trump is erratic at times, but not Bernie, okay?
So I don't know that you could point to a single person on MSNBC who's as progressive
as any of the people that I named at CNN among the progressives.
And by the way, guys, you know what we do?
We bring people with us, okay?
So I'm on first, and then Anna comes on.
And than I shut the door.
Shut the door.
No one else.
And Alexandra Rojas, part of that mix, etc., Kyle Kulinski is gonna come, John Iadarola
is gonna come, okay.
And when we look, man, we want, super lastly, don't get me, I love this poll and I don't
care about it being one poll or if it's an outlier, etc.
And say, trend that I've been showing you all throughout, we will right, etc., you'll
see that many polls going forward, we got a long way to go.
My point is, guys, even if you thought this poll was an outlier, let's just say that they're
all tied at 20, 20, and 20, right?
Biden, Sanders, and Warren, cuz it's close enough to that that it's a statistical tie,
right?
That means progressives have 40%, conservative Democrats only have 20%, so oops.
Mmm, I didn't think about it that way but you're right.
Yes, so that means we're gonna have the next President.
And so, MSNBC can try to block the gate like no progressives allowed.
But guess who's gonna come through, someone is gonna go through the gate, and then live
and work at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
You're not gonna be able to stop that gate