this next one is sort of a statement and sort of a question wrapped in there
somebody coming from law enforcement and i thought it was a
pretty informative statement based on one of the other podcasts that we did
and it says this i currently work vice but i've had my share of use of force on
the job i quickly learned that you can't knock
everyone out and that applying jiu-jitsu will reduce
injuries to you and the suspect so this is what we
talked about last time whereas if if my method of controlling you is to
strike you i'm gonna have to beat you over and over again to get you to submit
whereas if i know how to do a chokehold boom you're good back to the quote the
chokehold or carotid as we called it is still permitted in our force policy
but only in an immediate defense of life situation
basically using a chokehold is considered deadly force
and equivalent with shooting someone there was a time when the lapd saying
was when in doubt choke him out in the 80s during the pcp
era officers were applying the carotid choke on pcp
suspects daily during one of those incidents
a male black died from the choke being improperly applied
chief gates made the mistake of going on national television
and saying that male blacks had a higher chance of dying from the choke due to
their physical make and larger adam's apple
as you can imagine this caused an outrage
which in turn caused the department to fall to political pressure
and make the karate choke almost impossible to use
so when i kind of alluded to this on that
last podcast that there's there's exactly what happened a guy got choked
to death there was political pressure chief gates
comes out and says that and actually i went i went
online and researched this a little bit he
made like every classic mistake you could make
on this and that's why they outlawed using
chokeholds and and actually uh as i read through it
they a bunch of them kind of how i referred
to rodney king beating and said here you had guys just wailing
on this this individual with with bats and sticks and
billy clubs or whatever and it didn't stop him and they referred
to that that when they looked at the chokehold being
used that's one of the major cases that they say man
let us let people use the chokehold so this doesn't happen
this guy goes on as a certified archon which is
our constants for arrest and control arkhan instructor
i feel the department taking away our ability to use a rear naked choke has
caused many unnecessary shootings and injuries to suspects
it saddens me to work for a department that is being run like a poor
corporation instead of a police department
so that's kind of the build up right that's why i wanted to read it because
there was just good information in there it is
very much in line with what we talked about last time in
in police work and and also in you know uh combat situations where you're
dealing with non-combative people in a hostile environment in other words
you go into a building to capture a terrorist and there's a
there's women in there or there's kids in there there's teenagers in there
that are not combative but they're not compliant either so they don't have a
gun you're not going to shoot them but you got to get control of them
now it gets into the sort of the leadership question here
how do i keep morale up and stay motivated
when i have no faith in the leaders and when the leadership has turned its back
on you time after time the morale is at its lowest point even
lower than post 92 riots according to the old timers
we were trained in the academy to be warriors
now the department doesn't allow us to call ourselves warriors
only guardians this change in mentality will sadly cause
only more bad shootings and more officers getting hurt
so that's uh you know obviously a tough situation and
like i said for the jiu-jitsu versus striking i think this is spot-on the
jiu-jitsu and the grappling is is a far superior way like i said of
controlling people than striking is that's just a reality
now on the leadership front that leadership question
for me
i i have my own team right i got my people
the people that are around me that i'm gonna buffer
all this bad morale and all this stuff i'm gonna buffer it
away from my team i'm gonna make their lives good
that's my goal and i'm gonna lead toward what my ideal is
right i'm gonna lead toward what my ideal is now in order to do that well
you gotta play the game so that you can get more influence
if you don't go play the game you say hey the bosses don't know what they're
talking about bosses don't know what they're talking
about and we need to uh
you gotta play the game you so that you can get more
influence and and that means doing what you have to do
that that means not saying hey our morale sucks and we don't have good
leadership no it means going okay we're gonna move we're gonna move
forward here's the goal here's what i think here's what i believe
hey by the way i'm gonna run this up the chain of command i'm gonna
gather the data myself i'm going to do the research
i'm going to do the administrative work i'm going to study the cases i'm going
to present them and say hey here's what's happening i'm going to
do that from an unemotional situation just from pure
logic hey we've had this many shootings we've had
this many incidents we've had this many we've had this many uh suspects turn up
with with concussions there's only one thing that causes a
concussion to a suspect it's getting hit in the head
so if we're having you know 42 percent concussion rate
maybe we could drop that down if we use something that doesn't cause concussions
but still gives us control you gotta you got to do that leg work
and make life good for the people that work for you
and that's that's that that can be a little bit hard to do but it's not that
hard you know they your subordinates look at
you as the guy and so the way you carry
yourself and the way you present yourself and the morale that you have is
the morale that they're going to have that's what they're going to see as the
way it is and i've i've always viewed in a single team that with
the seal teams to have different vibes in them
good and bad someone have good commands and there's a
there's a new commanding officer every two years of the seal team so
you get a new guy that comes in and he might be a lot different than the last
guy he might be really good he might be
really bad and you know what it doesn't matter
it doesn't matter to me in the seal platoon as a platoon commander
or even has a squad commander or even has an e5 and a seal platoon
meaning just one of the sled dogs i don't care
what the upper chain of command cause guess what we're gonna do things right
we're gonna make things happen now we're not gonna disobey what's being told
but if we're being told something that's wrong guess what we're gonna try and get
it we're gonna run up the chain of command we're gonna be squared away
we're gonna play the game so that we can make the changes that need to
be made because i care about the teams just like this guy cares about the the
police department wants it to be a great force
wants it to do the right thing and so you gotta
take that attitude that you control your part of the world
and the more you improve your part of the world and the more
influence you gain the more you'll have control over the big picture as well
there's no company no corporation that maintains just superb morale all the
time it doesn't happen you know peop every company every
business every unit every force every team has ups and downs
and they have leadership that comes in and takes over and that everyone
considers to be bad and that's that's the way it is
but you gotta own your little piece of the world
and then as you own your piece of the world guess what everyone starts
performing well and as you perform well you gain more
clout and as you gain more clout you can influence real change and that's what
you're looking to do so don't let don't let that leadership
that bad what you consider to be bad leadership just don't let that permeate
into your head into your world buffer your people from it and then do
what you can to build the best team you can get
so that you can have more influence so that you can change
that policies and the procedures that you don't agree with
it's a long haul i know it yeah i don't have a miracle solution for you man it's
tough it's tough but that's that's that's the
world yeah that's the world yeah especially
when when you're dealing with the political elements of it
and then at the same time you have the public eye on you
you know so you know as far as exposure and stuff
like that it's the newsman and just i think media in
general it's easy to to spread all this negative stuff it's easy you
know so it's like one of those jobs where it
in a big way it's um it only gets attention when something's wrong is
going on you know yeah and i would take advantage of a lot of this negative
press because a lot of this negative press
like like uh this guy is saying hey we're getting more shootings we're
getting more beatings well why is that let's look at our procedures hey boss
you know what we used to use this chokehold and we had
x amount of concussions we had x amount of shootings
you could present the information in a logical way that proves
what i know to be true what this guy knows to be true what anybody that's
ever done this type of work before knows to be true
right that is that there are certain techniques that work better than others
and a choke hold and a grappling type scenario
definitely works better to subdue somebody then striking them in the head
repeatedly until they're knocked unconscious that's just the reality of
it and no one can argue with that and the only reason that they went
against it is for political pressure so how do we
how do we defeat that we gain clout we move
we continue to get influence we grow our power
we we strengthen our allies we build a coalition
and we go forward and we win and it might take
three years it might take three months it might take six years
this guy right here that wrote this might need to be the chief of police
himself before he gets it done yeah but he that's what he does yeah he
keeps on the right path and keeps moving in the right direction
and does the right thing so that he can get advanced he doesn't make a bunch of
emotional arguments against people that have a bunch of power
and put himself in a bad seat for them where they're looking at him like he's a
rabble rouser no not a good thing yeah you got to
build you got to build the relationships up the chain of command so that you
become respected so that people do listen to you
yeah that's what you got to do that's how you make it happen yeah
yeah man and on a on a side note the the chokehold well jiu jitsu overall
isn't just submission hold that's that's kind of in my opinion one
of the great things about jiu-jitsu it's like i know it kind of seems that
way sometimes if you're not if you don't do jiu-jitsu whatever you think oh this
guy knows jiu-jitsu oh he'll choke you out he'll break your arm
you know um the kind of the glamorous part of it
is the submission for sure but the every other part of it is
control controlling the situation all the way down to controlling the other
guys so when you when you consider like just
just an uh a concept of wrist control in jiu-jitsu when
you're rolling this on wrist control just that alone will help will help you
in law enforcement just that alone no no let alone the whole of jiu jitsu just
wrist control that'll help you alone so you don't need
to necessary and i'm not saying so the choke hold should remain bad i'm not
saying that i mean for someone to die i mean i know this guy died because the
choke would was applied incorrectly so i don't know
if he broke his neck or his atoms up or something yes and by the way
if he had if he was better at jiu jitsu right he
would have applied it put the guy to sleep
and then coughed him and all been good to go which happens all the time in
class by the way in training guys get put to sleep all
the time i put to sleep i don't even know how many times
a bunch of times for someone to die from a choke from a
regular normal chocolate you got to choke him for a long time yeah where
your arms will be so tired just from choking him after he goes unconscious
you have to keep choking him for a long time so it takes
a lot yeah really this is probably what you said probably a crushed
uh hyoid bone i think it's called yeah it's basically your adam's apple crushes
you shut your windpipe and the guy didn't get a tracheotomy
in time yeah that is very very rare if ever in jiu jitsu now i've had i've
i've seen it happen one time a guy passed out and went to sleep
and someone was gay choking him and so just kept cranking didn't realize that
he was out for a couple seconds in it and it
uh hurt him so you do have to watch out for
it but i mean that is so rare compared to the amount of times that
someone gets hit in the head and gets brain damage
i mean that just happens all the time yeah yeah
and this jokes that you can actually do that does that kind of stuff but again
if you know jiu jitsu you know the positions you know the
moves you know the submissions if you can do submission
and you're not panicking you feel very comfortable on the ground you feel
very uncomfortable engaging in combat you feel very comfortable engaging in
this struggle you're used to it you do it all
the time so you're not freaking out yeah you're not adrenaline just cranking
a guy in the head with a billy club over and over again and what does he do
he puts his hands up why because he's trying to fight me no
he's just trying to protect his head but you think he's trying to fight you
and that's why you're hitting him even harder yeah
so yeah it's a it's definitely a tough situation
and and the way you win on the ground in is with jiu jitsu and
the way you win this leadership situation is also with jiu jitsu you
don't go and bang heads with the chain of command that's
not how you're gonna win this fight the way you win this fight is by doing
jiu jitsu against the leadership and you get in with them and you gain
their trust and you make them think that you're the man
and your team is awesome and oh by the way i know our team's awesome
and we totally agree with this policy and we've supported it only this policy
is working great in this other policy oh you know what you got this one policy
here that's not so good maybe we could do something to fix that
let me do some research that's how you win you got to play the
long game it's so funny that that analogy like
jiu jitsu right so because really what you do is
establishing a good position right establish a good position
knowing where to be and where not to be you know where to put your weight or
where to put your force and where not to put your force
you know yeah and the other big pieces that in jiu
jitsu that i was more referring to although those are all
correct and you have to do those but it's also
hey you think i'm going to choke you but i'm actually going to unlock you right
right right like that's the setup that you flank
people and you attack them indirectly right
you infiltrate and you you do things indirectly instead of going and just
fisticuffs banging each other war of attrition don't do that so
treatment yeah leading up the chain of command i think
that's kind of a new concept
you know that's a that's a chapter in the book yeah or it's actually a sub
chapter in the book but it's one that people
always have a hard time getting their head around because i always say like
my boss did whatever i want him to do yeah and people don't understand that
that's the way it is when you build trust you take the time and you build
the relationship and you prove over and over again that
you're going to do the right thing in the right situation
and that you're going to take accountability and responsibility when
something goes wrong and that you have a good head on your
shoulders and that you're not going to get emotional about things and you do
all those things and that you're driving and supporting
the mission guess what you're going to get you're going to get supported which
means your boss is going to do what you want them to do
yeah meanwhile you're doing the same thing with down the chain of command
you're like just that down zack list you're doing that same thing yeah it's
crazy and because you just i don't know it's
today it doesn't seem as intuitive you know
easiest excuse that anyone could ever have
is hey you know what my boss didn't give me what i needed that's why i failed
hey you know what our bosses won't let us use chokeholds
right and therefore we can't accomplish our mission well no guess what
i'm gonna make i'm gonna i'm gonna lead up the chain of command and i'm gonna
get my superiors to let us do what we need
to do to do it effectively because guess what
the the leadership is aligned your leadership is gonna be aligned with what
you wanna do do you think that the leadership of the
lapd wants you know uh vic or uh suspects
and perps to get your brain damaged or killed no they didn't want that
they wanted they want them to be arrested properly they don't want to
have lawsuits the whole nine yards so if you're presenting something to
them that's going to improve them and move them towards the mission
and support the ideals of what they're trying to get accomplished
of course you're going to get supported now you're going to get these little
political battles but those are just part of the challenge
they're just part of making it happen you know that's part of the jiu jitsu
yeah yeah when you roll with the guy don't expect him not to fight back
exactly right