THAT’S COMING UP TONIGHT. ALSO NEW DEVELOPMENTS ON HOW
IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS ARE
GOING AFTER TRUMP FOR ALLEGEDLY
LYING UNDER OATH.
BUT OUR TOP STORY NOW ON THIS
EVE OF THE NEXT ROUND OF
IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS IS HOW
CONGRESS IS SO QUICKLY GRINDING
FORWARD IN THE IMPEACHMENT
PROBE.
PROBE. CONSIDER WHERE CONGRESS IS JUST
TONIGHT, BALANCED BETWEEN THOSE
THREE WITNESSES WHO SPOKE LAST
WEEK -- YOU PROBABLY CAUGHT SOME
OF THEIR TESTIMONY.
IT WAS ALSO CAUGHT BY OVER 13
MILLION AMERICANS.
MILLION AMERICANS. AND THEN LOOK AT THE WITNESSES
THIS WEEK STARTING TOMORROW.
EIGHT OF THEM.
NOW IN A TYPICAL CONGRESSIONAL
SCHEDULE, THESE KIND OF
INVESTIGATIVE HEARINGS COULD
EASILY TAKE OVER A MONTH.
AND LET’S BE CLEAR.
IN A CRIMINAL PROBE LIKE FROM
DOJ, AND I’VE COVERED MY SHARE
OF THEM, THIS KIND OF THING
WOULD TAKE AT LEAST SIX MONTHS
TO A YEAR OR MORE.
AND I MENTION THAT BECAUSE AS
YOU MAY HAVE HEARD, CHAIRMAN
SCHIFF HAS ARGUED HIS COMMITTEE
IS DOING EXACTLY THAT STYLE OF
PROBE BECAUSE UNLIKE, SAY, THE
RUSSIA INVESTIGATION OR
CLINTON’S WHITEWATER ISSUES OR
OF COURSE WATERGATE, THERE IS NO
SPECIAL COUNSEL ON UKRAINE.
THERE IS NO SPECIAL COUNSEL OR
DOJ OPERATION THAT IS REVEALING
EVIDENCE OR FACTS OR TESTIMONY
FOR CONGRESS TO REVIEW.
CONGRESS IS GATHERING ALL THIS
ITSELF.
ITSELF. AND CONGRESS IS PRESSURING
WITNESSES ITSELF, AND IT’S
GETTING SOME RESULTS.
TAKE THE HEAT ON GORDON
SONDLAND.
SONDLAND. IT’S MOVED HIM TOWARDS MORE
ADMISSIONS ABOUT THE UKRAINE
PLOT IN PRIVATE.
AND SO THIS WEEK AMERICANS WILL
HEAR FROM HIM FOR THE VERY FIRST
TIME.
TIME. HE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING OF A
RELUCTANT STAR WITNESS WHO WAS
ON BOARD AND HELPING EXECUTE AT
LEAST FOR A TIME RUDY GIULIANI’S
FAMED SHADOW FOREIGN DIPLOMACY.
SONDLAND WASN’T A TYPICAL
AMBASSADOR.
AMBASSADOR. HE HAD THIS ACCESS TO THE
HIGHEST LEVELS OF THE
ADMINISTRATION IN THE
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL" HAS
OBTAINED NEW EVIDENCE TODAY
ABOUT HOW IT WORKED, AND THAT IS
PRETTY DAMNING STUFF, THAT
SONDLAND WILL ALMOST SURELY BE
ASKED ABOUT THIS WEEK.
I’M GOING RUN THROUGH IT WITH
YOU BRIEFLY BEFORE WE TURN TO
OUR EXPERTS.
OUR EXPERTS. I’M ABOUT TO SHOW YOU THIS NEW
WRITTEN EVIDENCE THAT MULTIPLE
OFFICIALS, INCLUDING MR.
SONDLAND BASICALLY SAW DONALD
TRUMP’S CALL WITH THE PRESIDENT
OF UKRAINE AS A PREMEDITATED
OPERATION TO GET UKRAINE LOCKED
IN TO INVESTIGATING THE BIDENS.
AGAIN, THIS IS BASED ON WHAT
THEY SAID, NOT ANY OTHER
CRITICISM.
CRITICISM. SONDLAND EMAILING BEFORE THE
INFAMOUS UKRAINE CALL THAT HE
TALKED TO THE UKRAINIAN
PRESIDENT JUST NOW, QUOTE, HE IS
PREPARED TO RECEIVE THE
PRESIDENT’S CALL.
PRESIDENT’S CALL. WE’LL ASSURE HIM THAT HE INTENDS
TO RUN A FULLY TRANSPARENT
INVESTIGATION AND TURN OVER
EVERY STONE.
EVERY STONE. AND THEN YOU HAVE MICK MULVANEY
RESPONDING IN THESE NEWLY LEAKED
EMAILS.
EMAILS. I ASKED THE NATIONAL SECURITY
COUNCIL TO SET UP THE CALL FOR
TOMORROW.
TOMORROW. NOW THIS IS IMPORTANT, BECAUSE
CONSIDER HOW THE HOUSE
REPUBLICAN LAWYER PICKED AT
CERTAIN DETAILS IN HIS
QUESTIONING, OFFERING A KIND OF
DEFENSE BY EMPHASIZING THINGS
LIKE THE UKRAINE PRESIDENT
BROUGHT UP GIULIANI FIRST.
DIDN’T BRING UP DONALD TRUMP
BRINGING UP GIULIANI, THAT
SOMEHOW MAYBE THIS WAS JUST
SOMETHING THAT WAS KIND OF
UNFOLDING IN FRONT OF THE
PRESIDENT, THAT TRUMP WASN’T
PUSHING A PLANNED BRIBERY
CONSPIRACY TO GET SOMETHING FROM
UKRAINE, BUT THINGS JUST POPPED
UP.
UP. NOW LAWYERS MAKE THOSE KIND OF
DEFENSES ALL THE TIME, AND THEY
CAN WORK IF THEY’RE TRUE.
SO WHY AM I TELLING YOU THIS
RIGHT NOW?
RIGHT NOW? BECAUSE THESE NEWLY LEAKED
EMAILS FACT-CHECK THAT ATTEMPTED
NARRATIVE.
NARRATIVE. THEY OFFER CONTEMPORANEOUS
EVIDENCE THAT THESE TOP TRUMP
OFFICIALS WERE PREPPING AND
COORDINATING AND EXECUTING THE
PREMEDITATED PLAN TO DO WHAT
GIULIANI HAD BEEN COOKING UP, TO
GET THESE PROBES OF BIDEN AND
THE DNC DONE BY A FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. NOW IN OUR CONSTITUTION, IF
THOSE PROBES WERE A BRIBE,
EXTORTED IN EXCHANGE FOR
MILITARY AID, WELL, THAT’S
IMPEACHABLE.
IMPEACHABLE. AND MAYBE THIS IS WHY TODAY SOME
TRUMP ALLIES ARE NOW ARGUING
THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE
EXPOSING THINGS THEY PREFER STAY
SECRET.
SECRET. >> HAVING THIS ALL COME OUT INTO
PUBLIC HAS WEAKENED THAT
RELATIONSHIP, HAS EXPOSED THINGS
THAT DIDN’T NEED TO BE EXPOSED.
THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN FAR BETTER
OFF IF WE HAD JUST TAKEN CARE OF
THIS BEHIND THE SCENES.
>> WOULD IT BE BETTER OFF BEHIND
THE SCENES?
THE SCENES? WELL, IT DEPENDS WHO YOU’RE TALK
ABOUT, RIGHT?
ABOUT, RIGHT? SENATOR RON JOHNSON, OF COURSE,
HAS TWO ROLES IN THIS SCANDAL.
AS A SENATOR, HE WOULD VOTE IN
ANY TRIAL OF PRESIDENT TRUMP.
BUT HE IS ALSO AN EFFECTIVE
WITNESS BASICALLY, BECAUSE HE
SPOKE WITH KEY PLAYERS IN THE
SCANDAL, INCLUDING, GUESS WHO?
MR. GORDON SONDLAND, WHO
ALLEGEDLY TOLD JOHNSON THE
MILITARY AID WAS LINKED TO THOSE
PROBES, MEANING LINKED, LIKE A
BRIBERY PLOT.
BRIBERY PLOT. NOW JOHNSON SAYS, ACCORDING TO
THESE ACCOUNTS, THAT HE ACTUALLY
CALLED PRESIDENT TRUMP TO DEMAND
ANSWERS, THAT HE WAS PUSHING
BACK IN REALTIME, AND THEN TRUMP
DENIED IT.
DENIED IT. SO AGAIN, NOT CASTING ANY
ASPERSIONS HERE, THAT MAY BE A
GOOD THING FOR THE SENATOR.
THAT MAY BE A GOOD THING FOR
PEOPLE WHO DIDN’T WANT THIS TO
HAPPEN.
HAPPEN. WHO KNOWS?
WHO KNOWS? THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS
ARE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE THAT
OUT.
OUT. THEY’RE GOING TO TRY TO
ULTIMATELY KNOW WITH ENOUGH
EVIDENCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO MAKE
UP ITS MIND.
MEANWHILE TODAY, ALSO THE TOP
REPUBLICAN IN THE SENATE, MITCH
McCONNELL OFFERING UP A PREVIEW
OF A POTENTIAL TIMELINE FOR ANY
TRIAL.
TRIAL. >> IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE THE HOUSE
IS GOING TO BE ON THIS UNTIL
CHRISTMAS.
CHRISTMAS. THEN IT COMES OVER TO THE
SENATE.
SENATE. IT DISPLACES ALL OTHER BUSINESS.
THE CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE UNITED
STATES IS IN THE CHAIR.
SENATORS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO
SPEAK.
SPEAK. THEY HAVE TO SIT THERE AND
LISTEN, AND I’M NOT SURE HOW
LONG IT WILL GO ON.
>> I’M JOINED NOW BY NANCY
SONDERBURG, CLINTON TIMOTHY
EGGER, AND A SENIOR FELLOW AT
BROWN UNIVERSITY’S WATSON
INSTITUTE.
INSTITUTE. HE IS ALSO THE AUTHOR OF "BEYOND
SNOWDEN" AND COUNSEL JOHN
FLANNERY.
FLANNERY. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, ARI.
>> MR. FLANNERY, ON THE
INVESTIGATIVE FOOTING, I BEGIN
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU. >> SURE.
>> SURE. >> YOUR VIEW OF THE POWER OF
THESE EMAILS.
THESE EMAILS. THEY WERE WRITTEN BY THE
PRINCIPLES, AND THEY LOOK BAD.
>> WHEN I WAS A KID, THERE WERE
A LOT OF THESE MOVIES IN WHICH
THE CEILINGS WOULD COME IN ON
THE GOOD GUY AND THE WALLS, AND
THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE HERE.
AND THESE EMAILS ARE POWERFUL
BECAUSE THEY REMOVE SOME OF THE
PHONY ARGUMENTS WHICH YOU
SOMETIMES HEAR IN COURTROOMS AND
YOU’VE CERTAINLY HEARD ON THE
HILL WHICH IS WELL, WHAT ABOUT
THIS?
THIS? AND WHAT ABOUT THAT?
AND HAVE YOU PROVEN THIS?
AND COULD IT BE THIS AND THE
OTHER THING.
OTHER THING. ALL HYPOTHETICALS WITHOUT ANY
EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. AND THE BURDEN OF A PROSECUTOR
USUALLY, AND I THINK THE HOUSE
IS TAKING THIS SERIOUSLY WITH
KAUFMAN AND SCHIFF IS TO CLOSE
OFF THOSE HOLES.
BECAUSE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
UNDERTAKING.
UNDERTAKING. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT PERHAPS
REMOVING A PRESIDENT OF THE
UNITED STATES.
UNITED STATES. A RARE OCCASION AND HISTORIC
OCCASION WITH UNPRECEDENTED
MISCONDUCT.
MISCONDUCT. AND SO THE FACT THAT NOT ONLY DO
WE HAVE RUDY STARTING THIS IN
2018, BUT WE HAVE SONDLAND AND
THIS EMBARRASSING SITUATION OF
HAVING TEXT MESSAGES AND EMAILS
AND COMMUNICATIONS THAT SHOW
THAT HE HAD THIS DEAL HE THOUGHT
HAMMERED OUT BEFORE THE
TELEPHONE CONVERSATION ON JULY
25th BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT AND
ZELENSKY.
ZELENSKY. SO WE HAVE A VERY DAMAGING SET
OF FACTS HERE.
I MEAN, THIS WOULD BE A PLEA
BARGAIN IN REAL LIFE.
AND I CAN’T BELIEVE THERE HASN’T
BEEN A DELEGATION THAT’S GONE TO
THE RESIDENTS TODAY AND SAID
MAYBE WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT THIS.
>> YOU’RE ECHOING SOMETHING THAT
A FELLOW PROSECUTOR IN THE SAME
JUSTICE DEPARTMENT YOU SERVED IN
SAID ON THIS PROGRAM, DAVID
KELLY, WHO WAS SDNY ATTORNEY.
HE SAID CITIZENS WOULD PLEA ON
THIS INFORMATION.
THIS INFORMATION. YOU WOULDN’T GO TO TRIAL WITH
THIS MUCH EVIDENCE.
>> NO.
>> NO. >> THE PRESIDENT, OBVIOUSLY IT’S
DIFFERENT IN THE SENATE TRIAL IS
A DIFFERENT STRUCTURE.
NANCY, JUST TO TAKE A STEP BACK
ON THE DIPLOMACY GIVEN YOUR
GREAT EXPERTISE AND YOUR
SERVICE, HAD YOU EVER SEEN
ANYTHING APPROACHING THIS IN ANY
OF YOUR WORK IN GOVERNMENT WHERE
YOU HAVE THIS DONOR DIPLOMAT
SAYING WE’VE GOT IT.
WE’RE GOING TO HAVE THIS FOREIGN
GOVERNMENT GO AFTER YOUR
DOMESTIC RIVAL.
DOMESTIC RIVAL. WE JUST NEED A CALL ABOUT IT.
>> NO, I’VE BEEN IN GOVERNMENT
SERVICE FOR DECADES AND NEVER
SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
WHAT’S UNUSUAL ABOUT THIS WHOLE
PARTICULAR EPISODE IS THE
PRESIDENT USING ALMOST $400
MILLION IN CRITICAL AID TO
UKRAINE FOR HIS PERSONAL
BENEFIT.
BENEFIT. THAT’S WHAT THIS IS ALL ABOUT.
AND I THINK IT’S HIGH TIME THAT
THE SUPPORTERS OF THE PRESIDENT
STOP TRYING TO HIDE FROM THE
TRUTH.
TRUTH. AND THEY SHOULD KNOW BY NOW.
LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE
ALREADY GONE TO JAIL FROM TRYING
TO LIE ABOUT THIS.
THEY NEED TO JUST SAY ALL RIGHT,
THE PRESIDENT HELD UP AID FOR
POLITICAL GAIN, AND THEY CAN
ARGUE THAT’S NOT AN IMPEACHABLE
OFFENSE, THAT THE SENATE WON’T
CONVICT THEM.
CONVICT THEM. BUT THEY CAN’T TRY -- IF THEY
HAVEN’T SEEN BY NOW, AND WE HAVE
EIGHT WITNESSES COMING FORWARD
THIS WEEK, ALL OF WHOM ARE GOING
TO SAY THAT THIS WAS WHAT
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. >> YOU’RE CONVINCED ON THAT,
JUST THE WAY YOU’RE PUTTING IT.
YOU’RE CONVINCED THE PUBLIC
EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT PRESIDENT
TRUMP WAS ABUSING THE U.S.
TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO TRY TO
EXTORT ELECTION HELP?
>> I THINK THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT
HAPPENED, AND THEY CAN SPIN IT
HOWEVER THEY WANT.
BUT THE FACTS ARE THAT THE
PRESIDENT HELD UP $400 MILLION
OF AID IN EXCHANGE FOR DIRT ON
THE BIDENS.
THE BIDENS. NOW THAT’S THE FACTS.
NOW THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO
ARGUE, AS NIKKI HALEY ALREADY
HAS, WELL, NOTHING REALLY
HAPPENED.
HAPPENED. THE AID WENT THROUGH.
AND THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION
OF THE BIDENS.
WELL, THAT’S BECAUSE THE
WHISTLE-BLOWER BLEW THE WHISTLE
AND THEY DECIDED THEY BETTER
BACK OFF.
BACK OFF. AND THE DEFENSE IS NOT CLEAR
FROM THE PRESIDENT.
YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT TRIAL
BALLOON EVERY DAY.
ONE MINUTE IT’S WELL, NOTHING
REALLY HAPPENED.
REALLY HAPPENED. AND THE NEXT MINUTE THIS STUFF
WAS LEGITIMATE.
WAS LEGITIMATE. >> TRIAL BALLOON, NO PUN
INTENDED.
INTENDED. >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. THIS IS SERIOUS.
I DON’T THINK THE PRESIDENT
TAKES THIS SERIOUSLY ENOUGH.
HE’S TWEETING, INTIMIDATING
WITNESSES, OTHER OBSTRUCTION OF
JUSTICE.
JUSTICE. AND THE DEMOCRATS ARE WRACKING
UP THE OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE
CHARGES.
CHARGES. >> LET ME BRING IN TIM ON THIS
AS WELL.
AS WELL. I WANT TO GIVE HIM A TURN.
TAKE A LISTEN TO WHAT THE
SECRETARY OF STATE SAID.
>> WHEN AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH
WAS ON THE HILL ON FRIDAY, THE
PRESIDENT MADE A TWEET WHILE SHE
WAS APPEARING SAYING THAT
EVERYWHERE SHE WENT WENT BAD.
IT AN ASSESSMENT YOU AGREE WITH?
>> I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
I’LL DEFER TO THE WHITE HOUSE.
I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO
SAY ABOUT THE DEMOCRATS’
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING.
IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDING. >> TIM, THIS COMES AMID NEW
REPORT THERE’S IS A LOT OF
STRAIN HERE BETWEEN THE
PRESIDENT AND HIS PRINCIPLES,
INCLUDING THE SECRETARY OF
STATE.
STATE. A SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL
IS THE VIEW IS TRUMP JUST FELT
REIN YOUR PEOPLE IN, GET
CONTROL.
CONTROL. YOUR VIEW OF THAT AND THAT
APPROPRIATE, AND I’LL REMIND
VIEWERS YOU HAVE A LOT OF
EXPERIENCE, LIKE OTHERS ON THE
PANEL, INCLUDING BEING A
NATIONAL SECURITY OFFICIAL FOR
GEORGE W. BUSH.
I THINK THERE IS JUST AN
UNDERCURRENT OF RAGE INSIDE THE
NATIONAL SECURITY APPARATUS, THE
STATE DEPARTMENT, PROFESSIONALS
ARE BEING MISTREATED,
INTIMIDATED FOR TELLING THE
TRUTH, AND THEN THEIR BOSS, THE
SECRETARY OF STATE, INSTEAD OF
STANDING UP FOR THEM DEFERS TO
THE WHITE HOUSE.
NOW, OF COURSE, IT WAS DIFFICULT
FOR HIM TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE AT
THAT POINT.
THAT POINT. I THINK PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD THAT.
BUT THEY FEEL ALONE.
THEY FEEL LIKE THEY’RE UNDER
SIEGE, AND THEY’RE NOT BEING
PROTECTED BY THE SECRETARY.
AND SO I THINK THAT’S REALLY
WHAT’S GOING ON HERE IS THAT
YOU’VE GOT PRETTY UNANIMITY
AMONG THE NATIONAL SECURITY
PROFESSIONALS WHO SERVED FOR
MANY, MANY YEARS OR DECADES OUT
OF PATRIOTISM THAT, YOU KNOW,
WHEN THEY COME OUT AND TELL THE
TRUTH AND COOPERATE WITH AN
IMPORTANT INQUIRY, THAT THEY’RE
GOING TO BE ATTACKED BY THE
PRESIDENT, AND THAT THEY’RE NOT
GOING TO GET BACKED UP BY THEIR
BOSS, SECRETARY OF STATE.
>> YOU’RE SAYING THAT’S WRONG?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, MIKE POMPEO, HE NEEDS TO
STAND UP FOR HIS PEOPLE.
AND IF THE PRESIDENT DOESN’T
LIKE THAT, THEN FINE.
HE CAN BE FIRED, OR HE CAN BE
FORCED TO RESIGN.
>> LET ME JUST JUMP IN HERE TOO.
THIS IS THE SECRETARY OF STATE
FAILING TO STAND UP TO HIS OWN
EMPLOYEES WHO ARE BEING VILIFIED
BY THIS PROCESS.
AND THAT COWARDICE STATEMENT
FROM THE SECRETARY YOU JUST
PLAYED, THIS ISN’T ABOUT
IMPEACHMENT.
IMPEACHMENT. THIS IS ABOUT THE PRESIDENT OF
THE UNITED STATES ATTACKING HIS
AMBASSADOR FOR NO REASON.
THAT’S NOT IMPEACHABLE.
THAT’S JUST ABUSE.
>> THAT’S NOT THE FIRST TIME.
WE’VE SEEN THAT WITH THE
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY.
INTELLIGENCE COMMUNITY. YEAH.
YEAH. >> POMPEO IS TRYING TO FIGURE
OUT WHETHER HE WANTS TO BE A
TRUMP LOYALIST AND BE ABLE TO
RUN FOR THE SENATE OR BE
SECRETARY OF STATE.
AND THAT IS NO LONGER TENABLE.
HE HAS TO PICK.
EITHER REPRESENT THE BUILDING OR
GET OUT AND GO RUN FOR THE
SENATE.
SENATE. BUT HE IS TRYING TO DO BOTH, AND
IT’S NOT WORKING.
>> AND TIM, THAT BRINGS US BACK
TO THE POINT THAT YOU AND NANCY
ARE AGREEING ON, WHICH IS IN
YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHICH WE
MENTIONED WHICH IS IN NATIONAL
SECURITY IN BOTH PARTIES, THERE
ARE OBVIOUSLY INTENSE POLICY
DEBATES, AND THEY BECOME
DEMOCRACY DEBATES ABOUT WHAT TO
DO WITH OUR FOREIGN POLICIES.
THAT IS HOW A DEMOCRACY IS
SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN, AND IT GOES
ON.
ON. BUT WHEN YOU SEE THIS LEVEL OF
UNDERMINING OF THE INDEPENDENT
CAREER PUBLIC SERVANTS, BE THEY
AT STATE OR PENTAGON OR ANYWHERE
ELSE, DOES THAT IN YOUR VIEW
RISE UP TO ALSO A PART OF WHAT
THE CONGRESS SAID MAYBE THE
PRESIDENT OVERSTEPPING HIS
AUTHORITY?
AUTHORITY? >> SURE.
>> SURE. IT’S PART OF THE OVERALL ABUSE
OF POWER.
OF POWER. WE SAW THAT WITH SONDLAND IN THE
FIRST PLACE WITH GIULIANI.
THEY WERE TRYING TO BYPASS THE
SYSTEM THAT SET UP TO SAFEGUARD
OUR NATIONAL SECURITY WITH THE
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNSELCIL.
THE PERSON IN CHARGE OF THAT,
JOHN BOLTON IS NO LIBERAL.
HE IS A FIERCE CONSERVATIVE
REPUBLICAN.
REPUBLICAN. AND SO THE POINT IS, THOUGH,
THAT HE WAS LOYAL TO HIS PEOPLE.
HE WAS LOYAL TO THE PROCESS IN A
WAY THAT TRUMP FOUND
INCONVENIENT.
INCONVENIENT. SO HE TRIED TO GO AROUND HIM.
>> AND TIM, NANCY ADVISED ME
EARLIER, THIS IS SERIOUS.
SO I MAY GET ON HER BAD LIST,
BUT I WOULD HAVE TO MENTION MR.
BOLTON COULD BE GRAMMATICALLY
UPSET TO EVEN HAVE THE SENTENCE
WITH THE WORD "LIBERAL"?
HIS NAME IN THE SAME SENTENCE.
>> THAT’S RIGHT, THAT’S RIGHT.
>> IF YOU KNOW MR. BOLTON.
>> SURE.
>> SURE. >> SO IT GOES BEYOND THE
IDEOLOGY.
IDEOLOGY. I WANT TO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION
HERE TO THE AMBASSADOR.
TAKE A LOOK AT SPEAKER PELOSI,
WHO IS SOMEONE YOU KNOW FROM HER
WORK, FROM HER OVERSIGHT, FROM
HER TIME ON THE INTELLIGENCE
COMMITTEE.
COMMITTEE. TAKE A LOOK.
>> THE PRESIDENT COULD COME
RIGHT BEFORE THE COMMITTEE AND
TALK -- SPEAK ALL THE TRUTH HE
WANTS.
WANTS. >> YOU DON’T EXPECT HIM TO DO
THAT.
THAT. >> IF HE WANTS TO TAKE THE OATH
OF OFFICE.
OF OFFICE. OR HE COULD DO IT IN WRITING.
HE HAS EVERY OPPORTUNITY TO
PRESENT HIS CASE.
>> WE’VE GOT ABOUT 30 SECONDS,
AMBASSADOR.
AMBASSADOR. WHAT DO YOU SEE HER DOING THERE?
>> INVITED THE PRESIDENT TO PUT
THE EVIDENCE FORWARD, AND
APPARENTLY THE PRESIDENT IS
WILLING TO CONSIDER THAT THIS IS
AN ADMINISTRATION THAT HAS
REFUSED TO LET PEOPLE WITH
FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE TESTIFY.
THE ONE WHO KNOWS THE MOST IS
THE PRESIDENT, AND I HOPE HE
DOES IT.
DOES IT. HE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION
APPARENTLY FOR NOT TELLING THE
TRUTH UNDER THE MUELLER
INVESTIGATION.
INVESTIGATION. SO THIS IS HIS CHANCE TO.
COULD FORWARD.
COULD FORWARD. THE TRUTH WILL CATCH UP WITH
HIM.
HIM. THE SOONER HE PUTS IT OUT THERE,
THE BETTER.
THE BETTER. >> STRIKING.