it is only about consumable I said about
all animal exploitation it's not just
food is clothing entertainment assertion
was that again disgustingly looked after
all killed in you comes worse than forms
but it's not about what's worse is about
setting that's all wrong
now this humans it's a business yeah
yeah then consumer black me being like
oh I feel like for a big I feel for beef
but that's not what that's not what you
you should be targeting right now
well it's stop just stop day even dawn
and facey from eating beef but it's
supplying the mouth it's supplied no no
this only happens because it's consumers
we pay for its app and it's a business
right so we have to pay money for the
business to operate so if we don't buy
these products the business fails the
only reason these things happen to
animals is because people like yourself
and myself for years goes to pay for
these things to happen right you're
trying to kill the demand exactly and
then you kill the supply yeah you know
what was your name ads idea what you
doing is amazing you know a real with
you because I really I like really the
demand will never be gone for changes
it's changeable you right now yeah I
studied business for I level I like it
it tastes nice but you need more than
sensory pleasure to morally justify an
action are your taste buds worth more
than the life of an animal yeah kind of
like one of your speech things that you
say yeah but what's the answer
what's the answers the questions given
are your choice but it's worth more than
life because what you're trying to do
you're trying to make it look like meat
consuming some beef yeah yeah makes it
look like I think that meat eating that
beef is more important than even you
yourself to do yourself just said you
yourself just said that you do these
things could you enjoy the taste of it
yeah so that's not a trick question
I'm not going out killing that girl but
your your demand my pain for it means
that someone has to kill it yeah that's
different okay so let me tell you if I
go to the shop year because the mod so
easy I could just pick it up and take it
in but you aren't gonna think about
about an arbiter when I'm eating my food
you won't but that's exactly but you're
still morally culpable in the action
right you're trying to say that my
pleasure
yeah I'm
not in front yeah yeah of life are you
not W saying there's one said I you send
me that you're not because when you
you're saying you value the taste of a
steak more than the life of that cow
because that cow has to die for you to
eat that steak right
right so you're saying certain things in
this world in this environment
yeah have to decay for things to go
around but that cow doesn't that car
doesn't have to be killed prematurely in
a slaughterhouse for you to live has
nothing to do with a natural circle
right right listen here you want you
want me to justify me eating the steak
yes yes that means that I would have to
justify every action I do every action
as a visitor has a victory if it has a
victim I try my best to but you don't
know what butterfly effect happens yeah
based on every single action you do
yeah who who the victim but no but what
we do know is when you buy steak a cow's
died that's already but it's dying
eat it because you've paid because
you've demanded that it dies so when you
take that steak off the shelf you're
saying that steak nice place it's carved
from time the processor in the u.s.
between 2007 and 2014 those two years
four hundred million fewer animals were
killed in 2014 compared to 2007 because
less nice people like you and I
consumers were buying those products in
the America which meant less less
animals were being killed so yeah look
when you say when I don't buy that steak
am I going to save a cow's life it's not
as simple as that but when you put
everyone together as individuals not
buying those products and buying
something different it has a profound
effect look you're going to sleep market
now you see soy milk almond milk coconut
milk rice milk oat milk hazelnuts
go back ten years that didn't exist and
it only exists now because people are
buying those products and not buying the
cow's milk right hey what you say yeah
yeah but I'm personally you know figured
that this is don't take this wrong it I
know my dream why do people look at it
in the way like that I do right now it's
because it's seen as as an extreme or
because we're doing here yeah they're
looking at less than a handful of
animals
yeah well Donna yeah chickens shilling
50 little grass species yes species but
also then you've got the ducks and the
geese and the Lions weep in circuses and
the Dolphins it's cruelty but why is
that cruelty but it's pulling a knife
across animals felt not cruelty do you
process what the process they do these
cool in the day no how do you do it how
do you kill an animal there's no one to
look every other [ __ ] just because I
feel like I want to eat beef you know
for whatever reason religious or
personal reason I can't have the study
on the back of the packet to say okay so
this beef was killed legit or this beef
wasn't good but what's a lazy way of
killing an animal in the less in the
list inhumane way for what tell me what
those humane way of clean animal is you
don't know know so is there a humane way
to canonical it might be but I don't
know okay so perfectly fun than anything
no you are because you're buying the
products it's a business as you said
supply and demand that the only reason
happens is because we pay for itself
it's a bit extreme though but tell me
why is extreme cuz doesn't that there's
more important thing going on in the
world but what is more in a beef burger
okay but what's more extreme take life
of an animal unnecessarily or not taking
the life of a human but I'm not we're
not killing humans even right so what
wish you could but the fact is because
bad things happen to humans killing more
dozens of sugar yeah
then you are we've whatever this gun on
me if you don't seven trillion today
yes extreme extreme but you haven't
answered the question why is it extreme
to not take the life or now if we don't
have to compare to putting them in farms
taken to slaughter house what
objectively what smarming farming have
been around way before vegan was even a
morality is something that changes with
time now we look for our history things
that you can be working on the right why
but why this universe then killing cow
but why are you provided moral
justification to take the life of an
animal if your money just because a
human is suffering just because
something Bad's happening the Middle
East does not provide you justification
to pay for a cow to die in this country
right you're comparing is usually not
the comparison listen you don't have
it's not sentient being here but that's
not what I'm saying
I'm sin to all life should be treated
with the basic respect that we grant
ourselves it doesn't matter how long a
system has been in place for today in
this world it is unnecessary and because
it is unnecessary it should not be
allowed to continue it's irrelevant how
long we've been doing something for
previous years right on a desert island
yeah and I'm gonna keep the car know if
there's a car around that with
vegetation around so I'll probably at
the vegetation yeah
right but the fact is I'm not on a
desert island with a cow I'm in
Sheffield in 2018 where I can go in to
Tesco's and get a vegan sandwich over a
beef sandwich and go home and cook pasta
without killing an animal for it that's
the world that you and I live and not
some fancy desert island in the real
world right so what excuse do you have
in this world in society where there's
an abundance of options to continues the
point industry that are necessarily hard
yes you are because you're buying those
products
I'm not consciously you have to be
careful consciously no no I'm just go
out there yeah if I go out and I buy
some food for my family yes yeah I'm
gonna buy some food some beef some
chicken for my son and my daughter to
eat yes do you think that I am
consciously yeah in my mind I'm like you
know what I'm gonna support this now
only I don't exam whatever I choose to
do to to survive yeah it's like how the
cow is doing yeah that's why I'm gonna
do it but I am more destroying this
world by doing that what people do by
destroying the world is killing humans
like me and you are making a difference
yes okay so that's more important for me
than to meat for people to say that I'm
consciously going out there and trying
to support organizations okay but now
but now we've had this conversation and
we've spoken in depth about all of this
now when you're going to suit mark I
guarantee you next time you look at
stake you'll think about so that we will
be consciously buying it right I knew it
so you will then be held morally
culpable for the actions that you make
because they will be conscious to say I
get some animals it's the pigs all right
let's know he's done to speak suck I
breed some pigs together now I've got
some piglets
am I then morally justified to do
whatever I want with those pickles as
long as I eat them no why not because
under the day
et yeah I'm gonna eat them yes I'm gonna
I'm gonna torture mutilate them but I'm
gonna be that's different quite to me oh
you don't have to do you don't have to
eat them in general torturing the
mutilation you know that's you if you
leave that in the same light of harm you
all know that's wrong right you're using
the words of causing harm to life yes
yes to individuals of me some more talk
to you about Fulton home to life I'll
talk about what's happening in the world
not the first one this is an aspect of
offense
yeah aids an aspect but that wouldn't be
much but it doesn't have to be it
doesn't have to be I'm saying you get
stolen you campaigns whatever the hell
it is that you feel so dearly about
because whatever you feel daily about is
noble and admirable you should campaign
for it but all you have to do three
times a day is not the animal products
and you can go and you can go into ever
you want to do for humans just don't
harm animals the process I'll cut down
on my beef yet because we wasted in my
faith what it says is that God said that
he sent down the cow yet for warmth for
milk for me for us or when we need maybe
made more sense back in the day when
there was not much in there we go oh
there we go cease now understand what
you're trying to say right right right
right because I don't need to eat beef
but because I have been socially tuned
to lack a certain flavor stop smoking
cigarettes but I have researched about
vegan I've seen vegan people that look
strong big like healthy so it's a
lifestyle more than anything it's a
lifestyle either a little challenging in
Telesis if I'm a doctor why me
now don't worry people would get me
wrong with the way man is fine we enjoy
a very you know it's why we're here to
have conversation but that's what sort
of er than what you told me about over
and you can vegan over all this up a
chat yeah I agree let's do it and now
because of that chart you know not to
buy animal products right
you