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>> Welcome back to Moscone here.
We're at San Francisco VMworld 2019.
I'm John Walls, along with Stu Miniman, here on theCUBE.
Thanks for joining us here for our first of three days
of coverage here at a very exciting program.
I was just blown away by the keynotes this morning.
We'll talk about that with Beth Phalen
and Rajiv Ramaswami here.
Beth is president and GM of data protection at Dell EMC,
and Rajiv, of course, the chief operating officer at VMware.
So thanks to you both for joining us.
>> Good to be here, yeah. >> John: Good to see you both.
>> Glad to be here.
>> So first off, let's just talk about,
if you will, the vibe of the keynotes.
Pat, great command of the stage, obviously.
Lot of big announcements.
But I was just, I thought the whole presentation
and the size of the crowd and their reactions
were fairly impressive.
What was your
take on that? >> I totally agree.
Being in the audience, it was comprehensive,
it was holistic, it told a story that people
could connect with, and it recognized just how much
the world of IT is changing, and what VMware
is doing in influencing that.
I was impressed.
>> Yeah, no, no, from my vantage point of view,
being on the inside here--
>> Yeah.
>> It's, yeah, our portfolio continues
to get broader and broader.
Our relevance to customers keeps getting bigger.
And this year in particular,
we had a whole series of announcements here.
There were two major acquisitions,
our largest two acquisitions, over the last week.
So there was a lot to digest.
And in fact, we were actually working
on putting that story together at the very
last minute, as you can imagine,
because these acquisitions were literally
announced on Thursday.
(Beth laughs)
So a lot came together, it came together beautifully.
I thought Pat did a great job putting it all together
and giving the story.
>> Yeah, I know, the Pivotal, obviously,
everybody went 10 days ago, two weeks ago,
saying, "It can't happen that fast, can it?"
Well, the answer is yes, it can happen that fast.
>> Rajiv: Let me give you one more
story there. >> Yes, yes.
>> You might remember Callum Eade was on stage.
He was the guy who swam across the English Channel--
>> Beth: Mm-hm? >> At the very beginning.
So just to tell you how last-minute that was,
he finished his swim, I talked to him on Friday morning,
and then I went to Pat and said,
"Pat, you know, one of our guys
"actually swam across the English Channel."
(Beth laughs) He said,
"Yeah, we should have him ontage at VMworld."
(Beth and John laugh) >> So we flew him over
over the weekend--
>> Wow, wow. >> Here, got him to Vmworld,
and there he was onstage.
>> (laughs) Oh, man, that's impressive.
>> Yeah, yeah. >> It was a great story.
It was a good call to bring him in.
>> Yes, yes. >> Yeah.
>> All right, so obviously, you have this strong partnership
that got a little stronger with some announcements today.
>> Rajiv: Yeah. >> So let's get
into that a little bit.
Beth, if you would, talk a little bit
about what you announced on stage,
or what was announced onstage today.
>> Yeah, I mean, there are three things
that we're talking about this week,
with our good partners at VMware.
How we make sure that we have data protection
for the Dell EMC cloud, for the VMware Cloud,
excuse me, on Dell EMC.
Previewing what we're doing to protect Kubernetes
environments, which is super exciting.
And then the project we talked about just quickly
on stage this morning, around how we're doing
work together to bring PowerProtect into,
as tight as possible, to the best integration
for vSphere and our VMware customers.
So, Rajiv, anything that
I missed, or-- >> Yeah, no, no,
at the big-picture level, look, I mean,
you've had a long history in data protection solutions.
You modernized your portfolio quite a bit
over the last year--
>> Beth: Yeah. >> With the introduction
of the new X400 appliances
and the IDPA PowerProtect software.
>> Beth: Yeah.
>> And we've been talking together for a while now about,
what can we be doing together better?
>> Beth: Mm-hm.
>> And this just came across, you know,
we've been working on this together,
and now we have specific things to talk about.
So on the first one, which is really data protection
for VMware Cloud, now, VMware Cloud on AWS,
one of the first use cases, important use cases,
is actually around disaster recovery.
So customers want to use the cloud or the data
as a backup for a DR site.
And very cost-effective to do that, it makes a lot of sense.
Now, we've been working to continue and improve
that solution, and making it much more broadly applicable,
making use of native cloud storage capabilities.
For example, Amazon S3.
And so, that's really the collaboration
that we are doing with Beth's team here,
where we're using their underlying technology
to build a VMware data disaster recovery as a service
that will work on our VMware Cloud environments
and make use of native cloud storage capabilities.
So, very powerful, brings a lot of value
for our customers together.
>> John: Yeah. >> And I think that
everybody watching probably understands just how important
it is to have a DR site, but for many companies,
it's cost-prohibitive and really old-school
to think about having a dedicated DR site.
So using the cloud as your destination,
if something were to happen, you had to recover,
it is an excellent fit, and I expect it
to be one of the fastest-growing use cases.
We're already seeing it.
It's going to continue to grow dramatically going forward,
having DR as a service as a core
to people's recovery strategy.
>> Yeah, Rajiv, one of the things we've been watching is,
VMware's always had a robust ecosystem,
but it's been going through a major shift.
>> Rajiv: Yes.
>> You know, VMware kind of at the center,
and the server, storage, and network around it
to where everything fits in the multi-cloud environment.
When we see data protection with VMware Cloud on Dell EMC,
it's obviously a natural fit, because it's under there.
What do you talk to your partners about when you say,
"Okay, the Dell side of things is getting
"further embedded into VMware"?
How do you make sure that you have an open and robust
ecosystem without unbalancing that?
>> That's a great question.
VMware has always prided itself on being a platform company,
and you're only a platform company if you actually have
a broad ecosystem of people who are building
and developing on your platform.
>> Stu: True.
>> So we are not walking away from that one little bit.
We continue to support a very broad-based
set of providers across many different functions,
whether it be data protection, whether it be security,
whether it be compliance, you know,
a whole bunch of things around the platform.
What we will do, though, is we will pick a set of partners,
and we will do deeper integrations with them, right?
We are always going to have broad APIs available for everybody.
Just as another example with Carbon Black
that you saw today, yeah, we had actually partnered
with Carbon Black on a deep integration
between Carbon Black and AppDefense, okay?
But at the same time, we have open APIs with every
Guest Introspection provided that there is,
and we will continue to maintain that,
with every endpoint provided that there is.
It's much the same way here.
We're going to do deep integration with Beth's team.
We are actually using some of their technologies
to enhance our services, but also enabling them
to do better integration with vSphere
and the whole VMware environment, while at the same time
allowing a rich ecosystem of third-party providers
to work with us on top of our platforms.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Beth, was wondering if you could help us
dig in a little bit to that Kubernetes space.
>> Beth: Mm-hm. >> So, obviously,
a big presence here at the show, you know,
Prevalent talked in the keynote.
When I walked the show floor,
everybody's talking
about Kubernetes. >> Beth: Mm-hm, mm-hm.
>> So from the data protection standpoint,
what's been done to more into that environment?
What's different that people might not have known
from your group from just a couple of years ago?
>> Yeah, a couple of things.
One, we've been working on this jointly
with Jon Rose's organization and doing
an incubation on this for well over a year,
and working with Velero, making sure that everything
we're doing is tied very closely
with what's going on at VMware.
And as you start talking about the container space,
what you're saying with data protection,
it's a different set of assets that you need to protect.
You have to make sure that you're protecting
the metadata, you have to bring up the whole environment.
And so it's sort of a variation on a theme,
and what we're particularly proud of is that we're
approaching it in a way that's really ground-up
and designing data protection,
not retrofitting the past, but what are the needs
for a Kubernetes environment, and make sure that they
can restore that, come back to whatever data they need to do
and whatever applications they need to get back to.
>> Beth, you talked about Velero, too.
I mean, so, what you're talking about,
how does that enhance or how is that adding
to the data protection capabilities of that, then?
What are you building on,
in terms of enhanced services there?
>> Well, I think, what I understand about the project,
I'd like to hear your point of view too,
is as Velero builds out and working on the Kubernetes
environment, it becomes the center
for people's production environment, right?
And as you move into a production environment,
data protection becomes an essential part of that.
So whereas a couple of years ago,
Kubernetes might have been something that people
were dabbling with, or maybe had not their
most important applications running on,
it's now becoming center and core.
And so, what we're doing, working with VMware,
is making sure that directly integrated into that,
the UCS has that need around backup, disaster recovery,
and all types of RRTO and RPOs are all met,
even though now the application's being run
in a Kubernetes environment.
>> Sort of the conversation around,
as we talked about Tanzu, VMware Tanzu--
>> Yeah. >> Which is in our portfolio.
>> It's a great name, by the way.
>> Thank you.
(Beth and John laugh) So the portfolio,
the idea here is you're going to have build, run, and manage,
and when you look at the manage component of this,
it's not just that every service
is going to be developed by VMware.
There's going to be a set of third-party services
that run on top of this platform
that will do functions like backup,
disaster recovery, for Kubernetes clusters.
And my anticipation is that Dell would be a second party,
third party on that environment as part
of the overall Tanzu portfolio, as a marketplace-type
service. >> Beth: Yep, that's what
we're working towards.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, just following up on that Tanzu,
VMware has mostly been a platform,
an infrastructure layer for applications--
>> That's correct. >> You know, Pivotal
was the group that really dealt with the modern.
>> Rajiv: Yes. >> But you've made
some acquisitions.
Data protection's always had that integration
with the application.
What's changing now that requires Dell
and VMware to kind of delve upstack a little bit more
than it might have
in the past? >> For us it's very simple,
as Pat already articulated.
The world is moving to where it's all about
how to build and manage your applications portfolio.
That's become a CIO's top job.
And so, for us to be relevant to that space,
infrastructure companies naturally need to move up--
>> Mm-hm. >> Address the needs
of application developers, and while at the same time
the application developers need the infrastructure teams
to deliver the infrastructure that they can easily
build around and manage these apps
without having to do it all themselves.
So that's really, the bringing together of the developers
and the IT operators is what we are doing.
And that's the rationale for why we brought
Pivotal in-house, and why we are building
this overall Tanzu portfolio.
>> It's kind of what goes around, comes around, right?
>> Absolutely.
Well, as Pat explained, right?
>> Right.
>> You know, six, seven years ago,
we weren't really in a position to focus on it.
>> Right. >> And it made sense
to have Pivotal
stand alone-- >> John: The time was right.
>> And they invested, they built up
their franchise over time, and here we are.
The time is right.
>> Right, Rajiv, Beth, thank you.
I appreciate the time,
good to see you. >> Beth: Great discussion.
>> Congratulations on day one!
Off to a great start, and-- >> Not over yet.
(Rajiv and Beth laugh)
>> (laughs) Oh, I know, I know, and nor for us.
But a great start.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Thank you, sir,
good to see you both. >> Yeah, yeah.
>> Beth, always a pleasure.
>> Yes. >> Thanks for being
with us once again. >> Thank you.
>> Oh, sorry, (laughs) sorry.
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