HE WAS AMAZING IN THE PLAZA.
WELCOME TO THE PROGRAM.
I'M MEGYN KELLY.
THIS HAS BEEN A WEEK OF WICKED
WORDS FOLLOWED BY QUICK MEA
CULPAS.
FIRST, THERE WAS ROSEANNE BARR,
NOW, IT'S SAMANTHA BEE.
SAMANTHA BEE APOLOGIZING FOR A
DISGUSTING COMMENT SHE MADE
ABOUT IVANKA TRUMP.
IT WAS PLANNED AND IT WAS READ
WITH THE INTENTION AND THE
BLESSING OF HER STAFF AND HER
SHOW.
TWO SPONSORS PULLED THEIR ADS.
BEE'S SHOW IS STILL ON THE AIR.
AND NBC'S CRAIG MELVIN HAS THE
VERY LATEST.
WATCH.
>> Reporter: COMEDIENNE SAMANTHA
BEE, ABSENT ON THE RED CARPET AT
AN AWARDS SHOW WHERE SHE WAS
BEING HONORED.
BUT ACCORDING TO REPORTS FROM
INSIDE THE EVENT, SHE HAD THIS
TO SAY ABOUT HER CONTROVERSIAL
COMMENTS CONCERNING IVANKA
TRUMP.
WE SPENT THE DAY WRESTLING WITH
THE REPERCUSSIONS OF ONE BAD
WORD WHEN WE ALL SHOULD HAVE
SPENT THE DAY INCENSED THAT AS A
NATION, WE ARE WRENCHING
CHILDREN FROM THEIR PARENTS AND
TREATING PEOPLE LEGALLY SEEKING
ASYLUM AS CRIMINALS.
IF WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, THEN,
REALLY, WHO ARE WE?
THAT ONE BAD WORD, SETTING OFF A
FIRESTORM WEDNESDAY NIGHT.
>> DO SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR DAD'S
IMMIGRATION PRACTICES YOU
FECKLESS [ BLEEP ].
HE LISTENS TO YOU.
>> Reporter: ON THURSDAY, BEE
TOOK TO TWITTER TO APOLOGIZE TO
IVANKA TRUMP AND HER VIEWERS,
WRITING, IT WAS INAPPROPRIATE
AND INEXCUSABLE.
I CROSSED THE LINE AND I REGRET
IT.
TBS REGRETFUL FOR BEE'S
LANGUAGE.
ADDING, IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
AIRED.
NO RESPONSE FROM IVANKA TRUMP
ABOUT BEE'S REMARKS.
BUT THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT
ACCEPTING THE I'M SORRIES.
A SPOKESMAN FOR MELANIA TRUMP
CALLING THIS A DOUBLE-STANDARD.
AND WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY
SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS SAYING,
THE COLLECTIVE SILENCE BY THE
LEFT AND ITS I'LL ONE LAW FOR A
PEOPLE.
I LOVE ALL PEOPLE.
THANK YOU.
>> Reporter: AFTER SHE POSTED A
RACIST TWEET ABOUT A FORMER
OBAMA ADVISER, BARR TWEETED THAT
SHE BEGGED ABC NOT TO CANCEL THE
SHOW.
SOME CALLING IT A
DOUBLE-STANDARD THAT BARR'S SHOW
WAS CANCELED AND BEE'S WAS NOT.
OTHERS ARGUING, THERE'S A
DISTINCTION BETWEEN BARR'S
RACIST COMMENTS AND BEE'S
OFFENSIVE JOKE.
>> I HAVE TO SAY, I'M A LITTLE
STAR-STRUCK.
I LOVE YOU AS AUNT LYDIA IN "THE
HANDMAID'S TALE."
>> IT'S THE LATEST IN A SERIES
OF CONTROVERSIAL COMMENTS FROM
COMEDIENNES.
LAST MONTH, MICHELLE WOLF CAME
UNDER FIRE FROM ALL SIDES DURING
THE ANNUAL WHITE HOUSE
CORRESPONDENT'S DINNER.
>> THE ONLY THING YOUR MOUTH IS
GOOD FOR IS BEING VLADIMIR
PUTIN'S HOLLISTER.
>> Reporter: WHILE STEPHEN
COLBERT FACED CALLS FOR
#FIRECOLBERT, AFTER THIS JOKE
LAST YEAR.
AS POLITICAL PUNCH LINES TAKE A
MORE PERSONAL TURN.
>> PEOPLE WANT THIS SORT OF
FRONTAL, IN-YOUR-FACE CRITICISM
OF PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE
TRUMP ADMINISTRATION.
EVEN IF IT CROSSES LINES THAT
CONFLICT WITH THEIR OWN VALUES.
AND THAT IS AN ALARMING
DEVELOPMENT.
>> WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK.
>> JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT
THIS AND OTHER TOPICS MAKING THE
ROUNDS TODAY, HELP ME WELCOME
SOME BRILLIANT WOMEN.
KATE SNOW, AMY HOLMES, AND
JERLINA MAXWELL.
HELLO, LADIES.
HI.
CAN I TELL YOU, I THOUGHT ERIC
WIMPLE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
THAT WAS WELL-SAID.
THE ANGER, I BELIEVE, SAM BEE
WAS RIGHT TO APOLOGIZE.
I'M GLAD SHE DID.
AND I FEEL LIKE WE SHOULD ACCEPT
THAT APOLOGY.
SHE SAID IT.
LET'S TAKE HER AT HER WORD THAT
SHE IS SORRY.
BUT HE'S RIGHT, PEOPLE ARE SO
QUICK TO COMPROMISE THEIR
GENERAL COMMITMENT TO, CIVILITY,
IN SERVICE OF THEIR ANGER,
WHETHER IT'S OF THIS
ADMINISTRATION OR THE LAST ONE.
>> RIGHT.
AND HE WAS ALSO HITTING ON
SOMETHING ELSE, WHICH IS THIS
HYPOCRISY IN TERMS OF YOUR OWN
VALUES.
LET'S REMEMBER, THESE ARE WOMEN
WHO CALL FOR FEMALE SOLIDARITY
AND THAT WE SHOULD BE KINDER TO
ONE ANOTHER.
BUT IF YOU DON'T SHARE MY
POLITICS, I'M GOING TO SLING
SOME PRETTY UGLY AND SEXIST MUD
AT YOU.
THERE'S ANOTHER THING ABOUT THIS
THAT HAPPENED TO IVANKA TRUMP
QUITE A BIT, THE SAME CRITICS
WHO TELL HER SHE'S UNFAIRLY
BENEFITING FROM NEPOTISM, THEN
SAY, YOU NEED TO, AS FIRST
DAUGHTER, SET NATIONAL POLICY.
>> TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR
NEPOTISM.
>> EXACTLY.
PICK ONE OR THE OTHER.
>> THERE'S ANGER TOWARDS IVANKA
TRUMP BECAUSE SHE HAS PUT
HERSELF OUT THERE AS AN
OFFICIAL.
WHEN SHE GETS CRITICIZED, SHE
FALLS BACK, I'M JUST A DAUGHTER.
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
PICK A LANE.
I FEEL LIKE SAM BEE'S CRITICISM
OF IVANKA WAS FINE.
>> IT'S THE WORD.
>> IT'S THE PERSONAL ATTACK AND
THE VULGARITY.
REALLY, THAT'S A SEXIST, VERY
CHARGED TERM.
>> AS A MOM, IT'S AN
INAPPROPRIATE -- MAYBE I SOUND
OLD-SCHOOL WHEN I SAY THIS.
WHERE ARE WE GOING AS A COUNTRY
THAT WE'RE ALL -- ON BOTH SIDES,
ON ALL SIDES.
WE'RE USING LANGUAGE -- MY OWN
KIDS ARE HEARING THINGS THAT I
NEVER HEARD UNTIL I WAS 30 YEARS
OLD.
WHY IS THAT HAPPENING?
>> I DIDN'T KNOW PEOPLE TALKED
LIKE THIS ON TBS.
I GET MY NETWORKS MIXED UP.
>> THE SHOW IS PRETAPED.
TBS PUT THAT OUT THERE, KNOWING
OR THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN.
>> IT WAS SCRIPTED, INTENTIONAL,
PRETAPED, IT WENT THROUGH ALL OF
THE CHECKS AND MADE IT ON-AIR.
>> HER PRODUCERS WERE TWEETING
ABOUT IT BEFORE AND AFTER,
CELEBRATORY.
AND SOME OF THE REACTION ONLINE
HAS BEEN SURPRISING.
THERE'S THIS MEDIA CRITIC, KEN
TUCKER, WHO WROTE, HE REFERRED
TO SAM BEE'S COMMENTS, AS AN
ARTFULLY WRITTEN JOKE.
HE CALLED IT TO POETRY.
AND HE REFERRED TO ANYBODY'S
ANGER AS FEIGNED OUTRAGE OVER A
THROWAWAY LICENSE PLATE.
IN RESPONSE TO WHICH, I SAY, KEN
TUCKER, YOU'RE PART OF THE
PROBLEM.
>> YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REALM IN
OUR POLITICAL CONVERSATION FOR
MISOGYNY AND SEXISM.
SAMANTHA BEE WAS MAKING AN
IMPORTANT POLICY POINT.
AND I WANT TO BE AS ANGRY ABOUT
BABIES BEING STRIPPED FROM THEIR
MOTHERS ABOUT THE LANGUAGE.
>> SHE IS THE ONE THAT PUT THAT
OUT THERE.
>> SHE USED A TERRIBLE WORD TO
TALK ABOUT IVANKA TRUMP THAT
DISTRACTED US FROM THE POLICY
CONVERSATION WE SHOULD BE
HAVING.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT -- LET'S BE
REAL.
I KNOW THAT THESE -- THE MEDIA
WRITERS AND SO ON, THERE'S A
DOUBLE-STANDARD WHEN THE WOMAN
UNDER ATTACK IS A REPUBLICAN
VERSUS A DEMOCRAT.
IT SHOULDN'T BE.
BUT IT'S ALSO THE HEIGHT OF
HYPOCRISY FOR THE TRUMP WHITE
HOUSE TO BE SAYING THERE'S A
DOUBLE-STANDARD WHEN IT COMES
TO -- THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT A
SEXIST, CRUDE REMARK?
THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE?
LIKE, ARE THEY KIDDING ME?
>> AS YOU KNOW, MEGYN, TED
NUGENT CALLED HILLARY CLINTON
THE SAME "C" WORD AND HE WAS
INVITED TO THE WHITE HOUSE AND
TOOK A PHOTO WITH THE PRESIDENT.
I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE A LEG TO
STAND ON.
>> I LOOKED DONALD TRUMP IN THE
EYE.
>> YOU DID.
>> AND LISTED JUST A SMALL
SAMPLING OF HIS SEXIST REMARKS
ABOUT WOMEN.
AND HIS RESPONSE TO ME IS WHAT I
SAY IS WHAT I SAY AND WE'VE
GOTTEN TOO P.C. IN THIS COUNTRY.
THAT RESONATED WITH MANY PEOPLE.
THAT'S WHAT HE RAN ON.
THAT'S YOUR POSITION.
THAT'S THE DOOR YOU OPENED,
WILLINGLY WALKED THROUGH, AND
THAT'S THE EXAMPLE YOU SET.
NOW, TO COME OUT AGAINST SAM BEE
AND FOR THEM TO BE FEIGNING
HORROR IS A LITTLE SURPRISING.
>> I TAKE YOUR POINT ABOUT THE
DOUBLE-STANDARD.
I THINK THAT'S FAIR.
AS WE KNOW, TWO WRONGS DON'T
MAKE A RIGHT.
AND THAT DOESN'T EXCUSE SAMANTHA
BEE FOR USING THIS LANGUAGE.
>> THEY SHOULD HAVE LET SOMEBODY
ELSE MAKE THE ARGUMENT.
THAT'S FALLING ON DEAF EARS
THERE.
I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT HOWARD
STERN, WHO -- HE'S MADE A LOT OF
INCENDIARY COMMENTS OVER TIME.
BUT NOW, HE GAVE AN INTERESTING
INTERVIEW TO DAVID LETTERMAN WHO
IS DOING THIS NETFLIX SHOW.
AND HE'S TALKING ABOUT HIS
OWN -- I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT
MENTAL ILLNESS.
HE STRUGGLES WITH OCD AND ANGER.
HERE'S A SOUND BYTE OF STERN
TALKING TO LETTERMAN.
LISTEN.
>> I HAVE APOLOGIZED TO A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY.
I THINK I DID A LOT OF GROWING
UP.
AND I DO ATTRIBUTE THIS TO
PSYCHOTHERAPY.
AGAIN, I WAS JUST A YOUNG MAN
FULL OF RAGE.
I WAS ANGRY.
AND I WENT INTO PSYCHOTHERAPY --
>> THIS IS ALL SELF-ESTEEM.
LACK OF SELF-ESTEEM?
>> I THINK SO.
AND JUST REALLY A LACK OF
SELF-EXAMINATION.
AND I THINK THROUGH PSYCH THARM,
PSYCHOTHERA
PSYCHOTHERAPY, I STARTED TO FALL
IN LOVE WITH LIFE A LITTLE BIT.
I STARTED TO APPRECIATE WHAT WAS
GOOD.
>> I LOVE THAT HE'S TALKING
ABOUT THAT.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, I LOVE
THE BEARD.
>> ARE YOU IN THERE, DAVE?
>> EXACTLY.
>> I LOVE THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE
AT A MOMENT, NOW, HOPEFULLY,
WHERE WE CAN TALK MORE OPENLY
ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH.
MENTAL HEALTH IS NO LESS
IMPORTANT THAN PHYSICAL HEALTH.
>> THAT'S A TERM I WAS LOOKING
FOR.
YEAH.
I THINK WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO
SAY, IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU CRAZY
TO GET PSYCHOTHERAPY.
I'VE BEEN GETTING THERAPY FOR
YEARS AND IT'S DONE A LOT OF
GOOD.
I HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
>> GIVES YOU THE TOOLS TO COPE
WITH THE PROBLEMS WHEN THEY COME
UP IN THEIR LIFE.
THEY INEVITABLY WILL.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
HOWARD STERN IS A MAN.
A LOT OF MEN TALK TO HIM.
AND HIM OPENING UP ABOUT
THERAPY, I HOPE ENCOURAGES
OTHERS TO SEEK IT OUT.
>> IT DOESN'T MAKE YOU CRAZY.
IT MAKES YOU WELL.
IT MAKES YOU HAPPIER, IN MY
EXPERIENCE, IF YOU GET A GOOD
THERAPIST.
>> SURE.
I WOULD ADD THAT IT'S NEVER TOO
LATE FOR SELF-EXAMINATION.
IT'S NEVER TOO LATE TO CHANGE
COURSE, TO LOOK INSIDE AND SEE
HOW YOU CAN IMPROVE YOUR LIFE.
AND I GIVE HOWARD STERN CREDIT
FOR THAT.
APPARENTLY HE WAS THE LAST TO
KNOW HE WAS AN ANGRY YOUNG MAN.
LISTENING TO HIS RADIO SHOW.
IT ALSO SEEMS AS WE'RE TALKING
ABOUT THIS, A LOT OF COMICS SEEM
TO BE FULL OF ANGER.
THAT'S WHAT DRIVES A LOT OF
THEIR COMEDY.
>> THAT'S OUR THE THEME OF OUR
"A" BLOCK.
ROSEANNE IS A COMEDIENNE.
THAT'S HER BACKGROUND.
>> INSIGHT INTO THE WORLD.
I THINK HOWARD SHOW'S ON
SIRIUSXM, IS ONE THAT PEOPLE
LISTEN TO FOR THE AUTHENTICITY.
>> HE'S A GREAT INTERVIEWER.
>> WHEN YOU'RE THAT OBSERVANT
ABOUT PEOPLE, THAT MAKES YOU
ANGRY.
YOU HAVE A DEEP INSIGHT INTO THE
HUMAN CONDITION.
>> WE HAVE
[ APPLAUSE ]
>>> WE'RE BACK WITH KATE SNOW,
AMY HOLMES, HOST OF
"INPRINCIPLE" AND ZERLINA
MAXWELL.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT HIS
ACTUAL -- THE NAME THIS MAN WAS
GOING BY, IS THOMAS J. MACE
ARCHER MILLS ESQUIRE.
AND YOU MAY HAVE SEEN HIM IF YOU
WATCH THE BBC OR OTHER OUTLETS,
NOT NBC, COVERING THE ROYAL
WEDDING OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH
THE BRITS.
HE WAS ON TELEVISION, IN HIS
BRITISH ACCENT, EDUCATING US ON
THE ROYAL FAMILY.
HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
>> WHAT'S EXPECT OF MEGHAN
MARKLE IS NOT EXPECTED OF ANYONE
BEFORE.
SHE IS A SELF-PROCLAIMED
ACTIVIST.
SHE FIGHTS FOR HER CAUSE.
WE DON'T DO THAT HERE.
WE DO THINGS QUIETLY, AS A QUOTE
FROM THE QUEEN HAS SAID.
IT'S THE ROYAL FAMILY WHO
IDENTIFIES AS BRITISH PEOPLE.
>> HIS REAL NAME IS TOMMY
MUSCA
L
MUSCALTELLO.
HE'S FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK.
>> I LOVE THIS GUY, ME GIBB.
IF I DIDN'T LIVE IN AN
EFFICIENCY AND I HAD A DINING
ROOM, I WOULD INVITE HIM OVER
EVERY NIGHT.
TELL ME STORIES ABOUT GROWING UP
FOX HUNTING, WHEN HE WAS A
GOVERNOR.
THE FEMALE VERSION FOR THE ROYAL
CHILDREN.
>> "THE WALL STREET JOURNAL"
THAT BROKE THE STORY ABOUT
UPSTATE TOMMY, HE LEARNED HIS
BRITISH ACCENT BECAUSE HE WAS IN
THE PLAY "OLIVER."
LOOK.
THEY GOT A PICTURE OF IT.
>> HE'S FROM A TOWN WHERE YOU
GREW UP.
>> AN HOUR OUTSIDE OF ALBANY.
I FEEL PROUD OF HIM.
HE'S LIKE A LOCAL BOY MADE GOOD.
>> I WOULD HAVE PRACTICED MY
BRITISH ACCENT.
I WANTED TO GO TO THE ROYAL
WEDDING.
>> YOU COULD HAVE BEEN
EVERYWHERE.
I WANT TO TELL OUR AUDIENCE.
THOMAS MUSCATELLO SAID, I DON'T
SEE HOW BEING AN AMERICAN
NEGATES MY KNOWLEDGE, MY
KNOW-HOW, AND MY DESIRE TO
PROMOTE AND EDUCATE THE
DIGNIFIED SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT,
WHICH SO MANY PEOPLE IN AMERICA
RESPECT, IDOLIZE AND WISH THEY
WOULD HAVE.
I THINK WE SHOULD USE HIM AS AN
ANALYST.
I THINK WE SHOULD PUT HIM ON
WHEN WE HAVE ROYAL NEWS.
>> EVERYTHING I LEARNED ABOUT
THE ENGLISH IS FROM "MARY
POPPINS."
>> HE'S BETTER THAN THAT.
"DATELINE," 10:00 P.M., 9:00
CENTRAL, THIS IS THE THING WE'VE
BEEN WAITING FOR.
>> THIS IS THE BILL COSBY STORY
AND THE WOMAN WHOSE CASE LED TO
HIS CONVICTION BACK IN APRIL,
JUST A MONTH AGO.
ANDREA CONSTAND.
SHE'S NOT SPOKEN TO ANYONE FOR
13 YEARS.
SHE'S BREAKING HER SILENCE WITH
ME TONIGHT, IN THIS "DATELINE"
HOUR.
AND I WILL JUST SAY, I DIDN'T
KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM HER.
I HAD NEVER MET HER.
I'D SEEN HER IN COURT.
SHE IS SO POISED AND CENTERED.
SHE SHARES SO MUCH ABOUT THE
JOURNEY SHE HAS BEEN ON AND
HASN'T BEEN ABLE TO TALK ABOUT
ALL THESE YEARS THAT I THINK YOU
WILL REALLY --
>> GIVE ME THE CHILLS.
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE
WHO STARTED THE #METOO MOVEMENT.
>> IT WAS BEFORE THERE WAS
#METOO.
>> SHE AND THEY HAD A CRITICAL
ROLE IN WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN OUR
COUNTRY.