And that's special about the Tudor I think. Even though they belong to Rolex
they can act differently.
It's still not as vintage as this one with the rivets on the side.
You cannot always wear the same watch if you have a big collection.
If you have a lot of money that they pay you then you should wear the same watch but...
I think watch collecting and the watch industry is not always rational.
Hey guys, my colleague Balazs and me we are back to talk about watches today.
But first of all thank you for watching our first video which was about the Rolex Datejust.
and thanks for the nice and helpful feedback.
We are back to talk about another watch today.
Not a Rolex but not too far from Rolex.
We have the Tudor Heritage Black Bay on the table.
Actually not only one but a few of them. So I think we should start with the history
like we did last time and then we gonna talk you through the different references.
The history of the brand and the connection maybe to Rolex.
That's why we have Rolex here.
So in 1926 Wilsdorf founded Tudor
because he wanted to have a more affordable option so he came up with this brand.
And the first Tudor models looked quite different.
Most of them were rectangular and they had the Tudor writing on the dial.
But other than that and it was basically it was a Rolex.
So did not even change the crown sometimes. So it had the same case and crown.
And they also shared the bracelet. But what they did not share and what made the watch cheaper
or more affordable was the movement. They used ETA movements.
At the beginning not ETA but different movements. Not in-house Rolex movements.
So ébauche movements produced by someone else for them.
So they could sell the Tudor for a cheaper price.
So Tudor and Rolex share the same heritage or history.
Tudor is also known for the Tudor Sub with the snowflake hands with the blue bezel. It's really cool.
So I would say after the Sub in the 50s, 60s and 70s Tudor was a bit - maybe you can say forgotten.
Not in focus.
But that changed - now we jump a bit in time of course - but that changed in 2012
with the launch of the new model line - the Tudor Heritage Black Bay.
The burgundy one. The one we have here on the table.
mm-hm and this was yeah when to door changed not only his image and one line
but also they had some changes in the the company right I mean before
exactly I mean what's worth probably mentioning in terms of the black Bay is
that the black Bay was not the first tree a heritage model but it was
obviously the most successful it has proven to be the most successful but I
think it's towards the end of the 2000s when Tudor hired Philip F 'verily as a
CEO and Evita chato as the as a head of design and or I might know his official
role wrong but he was responsible for the design and and these two gentlemen
were the the reason basically that Tudor is where it is today at least in the
beginning because it was it was their cooperation in DeVita's design that
actually brought out heritage models in one in 2010 and then one in 2011 but the
biggest one is definitely that the third one which is the black Bay in 2012 when
this came out so let's talk about this one yeah well this one is the first one
as we said this one had the old style logo the the rose Tudor Rose logo and it
has the smiling so called smiling dial with the
with the words or the text self-winding still writing yeah into writing above
the six which is not straight but it's in a
courage it has the big crown which obviously doesn't have the Rolex logo
anymore it has the Tudor crown and it's a no crown guard which was the same
style as they had in the 50s it's a movement 28 20 or 24 28 24 like I am
it's a workhorse it's it's pretty bulletproof snowflake hands and yeah
it's a it's a nice watch it's a robust watch it's pretty thick it's pretty
heavy but not too bad the diameters that me just 41 it comes
in a nice steel bracelet and the diving bezel the unidirectional diving bezel it
was a great but not was it still is a great sports watch it was affordable
especially compared to Rolex and I I don't know if it was a conscious
decision that after 2012 when this came this watch came out they did not release
a new black Bay until 2014 so they left it out for an extra year before they
dropped the next one in 2014 and that was the black baby blue which had the
blue bezel and then in in 2015 you had the black Bay black which was basically
the similar watch but with a black bezel the biggest change was in 2015 the
introduction of the own tell first our movement mt5 602 I think it's the
movement so that changed the whole game I would say for Tudor yeah because now
the people who who said okay it's nice watch but it has no in-house movement
which was a big concern for some for some people yeah yeah
so they happy done they sure did Indian house movement but they also changed
minor things I mean if you can see the two watches they don't really to the
naked eye didn't really look too different you have to really go into the
details to see that some minor things were changed obviously the logo they
changed from the rose to the shield logo they change the writing to straight
writing edit the officials certified chronometer because the
in-house movement is called meter certified so there's no smiling dial
anymore you get straight lines the case is similar the bezel is similar the
crown is similar so not much changed unless we want to talk about maybe the
the thickness of the the two watches it's quite surprising for me that
in-house movement is thicker than detail movement yeah not sure why that's the
case but either like you can see that in the case Baxter four point five or six
point five millimeters I think movement so it's back here sits higher on the
wrist yeah but it's not it's not too bad I mean if you if you used to this size
you probably will be used to this size as well but it is a bit different and
not to mention that it has a new style bracelet which I really like it's the
derivative I liked it because it's a vintage watch right I mean the look it's
a vintage inspired watch and the new bracelet even though this also kind of
looks like an an old oyster bracelet it's still not as as vintage as as this
one with the rivets on the side so you know like the old style bracelets for
Rolex and Tudor they had the rivets and each and every link was connected
through a rivet and and this this design this strap or the bracelet design brings
back this 50s 60s rivets and and I find them pretty cool even though I there's
no rivets anymore this is more of a design thing so it's funny because here
they added some vintage vibe yeah if the rivets but they took away the logo they
removed it right absolutely but I think this is the cool thing that
you kind of mix and match some things some features are gone some features or
remain some features are brought in instead I was a big fan of Tours oh yeah
there also is definitely more vintage I wish to kept I'm not sure if you could
split the derivative bracelet on the old watch that could be cool so the burgundy
the re-edition or or changed low-grade upgraded version of
the 2012 one was in 2016 and then they stopped producing a Taiwan so they only
produces for four years yeah so that's why at first when they stopped producing
it it was more sought after a popular but it's always the case when yeah they
stopped pretty sure one word the collectors yeah like it emits a lower
production numbers it was already done for four years this has been going on
for three years so God knows what's gonna happen next year if they keep on
producing then it already will have a longer run than the previous one had and
I think there was even a time when the older one with death movements not in
house movement was more expensive than the new one with the house movement with
just kind of a funny thing yeah I think watch collecting in the watch industry
is not always rational yeah most of the time it's when it comes to old models
and vintage Rolex time to time yeah it's not always rational so what came after
the seven nine and two three or after 2016
after this reference when 2016 they had the bronze that they released at the
same time right they released the bronze one which had a 43 millimeter kay so it
was a new case and they had the black bay 36 which was a dangerous size and
they had the black bay dark which was a black dial black bezel PVD coated steel
black case watch so that was like super super black and then we move on to this
baby right here 2017 well I mean this this one speaks for itself
- Tom it's two-tone or as tutor calls it SNG steel and gold wasn't it the first
two tone black but it was I would say yes this was the first not the last yeah
definitely first and an upgraded movement I'm mt5 612 58 with the date
right which is one of the biggest changes except from exactly
obviously the suit on yeah the case size is the same 41 millimeters yes but this
one these ones have no date and this the first this was the first one then
have to date exactly the three o'clock position right
no no Cyclops as you would have on the Rolex and they also had a black Bay 41
and previous year in 2016 they had the 36 now they had it in 41 so it's again
as you said smooth bezels so another sports watch but big just watch if you
will in in 41 millimeter so they had quite a lot and I think the biggest news
at the time was the chronograph with the in-house chronograph movement but also
this one sold pretty well and and to transpire advertised by our friend David
Beckham it is so lovely denim shirt I'm not even sure if he was the best friend
of the brand because he was constantly seen wearing super expensive Rolex
Daytona while he was still women that's this famous yeah I mean sure of
him wearing it's the same brand right I'm it's the same company but yeah you
cannot always wear the same one you have a lot of money they didn't pay you that
you should rather say what but yeah but he's a cool guy and I think that what
really was a great fit to his dog yeah I think I think is more of a style
Venna then a then his sports career anymore now we talk about him as a as a
as a style icon and that's special about the Tuda I think even though they belong
to to Rolex they can act differently or also in advertising they are a bit more
free I would say yeah in terms of how they promote their products maybe also
more fashion related I think Rolex customers are very can be
very old-school or at least Rolex is very careful when it comes to how to
change and what to change with Tudor obviously it's big in people a flavor
yeah exactly they I mean playing on balls maybe the
first word she came out had a red puzzle yeah you never see rolex submariner
coming out with a red bezel but yeah so this was this was 2017 and then we came
to 2018 so last year at Basel world everybody was talking about the GMT
the Pepsi desk bezel the blue and red bezel I think it probably had the
biggest buzz buzz since the since the first one came out in 2012 so that the
industry really loved it customers really loved it they flew off
the shelves so I think that was that was a great good watch but they also had a
re furbished version of the the stealin gold with the gold dial which looked
pretty much the same but the dial was different they did the black Bay in 32
32 is a good size it's very it's the Lady Gaga size it's a ladies size or a
very small man kids size if you want to buy your 12 year old Sarah pewter to
grow into but I guess all jokes aside I guess it's for mostly for the ladies it
was the same as the 36 and there's a 41 steel smooth bezel and that was another
one yeah based on the 79 20 for vintage Tudor from 58 that's that came out in
1958 a hint so in that exactly that was a watchful 1958 so we had the Tudor
black bay 58 which sadly we don't have here we don't have Oh surprise surprise
we have it box and the sound I understand and is very similar to the
previous ones but immediately you recognize something I would say the size
it's 39 meters so more bearable yeah size for many people because some
had the concern that the watches too too perky wears too high on the wrist and
the 41 millimeters are too big for for some people so they came up with or they
listened to the community and they took action with this watch which I think
it's quite a cool signal that the brand listens to what the people are saying
and they use the feedback yeah and create another watch based on that
feedback I'm not sure if this was the only reason probably not but but it's
nice marketing and it's a cool watch yeah definitely and the thirty nine
millimeter is a great size yeah 39 I think is the size where if you have a
bigger wrist you can still sport it that's what if you have a smaller wrist
it still doesn't look too too big on you to monkian you so it's kind of this the
sweet spot for most people yeah like a print or a piece like I mean yeah like
the Jumbo was 39:39 and it's a popular size it's a great watch it's finally not
a color not black not blue not dark not bright white cold whatever yeah so it's
a cool name it's a cool watch it's a bit different than all of these other models
but but also very similar you have the same style dial the same pans obviously
the snowflake like each and every mm they're like they had the case shape is
the same the bracelet is the same with a minor difference I think the proportions
it's tapered yeah you can see the difference it's I think the differences
yeah yeah that's a big difference yeah you can see it's smaller it almost looks
like a man's and boy yeah watch but it really isn't it's it's a cool watch if
you have to to next to each other yeah it does not look too thin on the wrist
absolutely not I think you you gather a great watch
with the in house the in house me and great diver just when we defined
chronometer certified yeah with Rolex expertise yeah that way and a one
interesting thing which is one of the flagship watches of 2018 and there's no
date mmm people often say uh why the date window is you know ruining the look
at the three or the four or five and whatever there's no date I mean I really
don't mind I think I like watches without the date more often than I like
watches with the date because I think without the date is just like a clean
and simple look I don't mind a date and for this review compared
- I think the diet the symmetry of the diet it's much yeah because the D
indexes are large and if you look at the large straight indexes and here you only
have to revolt a bit absolutely I'm not sure why they put the date may be David
Beckham on Easter so well actually know that I would pick
58 and you would pick a toss-up
well I would go with this is tempting because it's an early one this is
tempting because it has in house movement as riveted bracelets even if we
change the bracelet to the vintage from our to the early ones re I might still
go with this one over from 2016 simply because of the looks even though I hate
the the logo change but I love the in house movement and the chronometer
movement so I might go with a new one so but us now that we know which watch you
would pick the burgundy like they it's time to ask you guys what watch would
you pick what's your favorite black bear or Tudor in general and do you have any
experience with the Tudor watch to your own one let us know in the comments
below I bet that many of you guys like 38 or
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