[Music] hey guys Jay here welcome to eons of battle magnets go together with wargaming
like peanut butter goes with jelly or do they because I've been magnetizing models
for years and years and years and I'm not so sure that it's actually worth it
recently I put together a kill team A Space Marine Death Watch kill team with all the trimmings every
single arm is magnetized so I have I have access to every single possible weapon Loadout it took
absolutely forever but it is really fun to have every single possible option but working
spending so much time on this kill team kind of made me think was any of this actually worth it
magnetizing models does take tons and tons of time and I want to think about the pros and the cons
and if we're all kind of kidding ourselves with this whole magnetizing the weapon option business
the pros of magnets is you do get every single possible drop of satisfaction and hobby time out
of every single piece of plastic in the kit this took a very long time to do especially getting the
posing exactly how I wanted typically when you magnetize a Space Marine usually a Space Marine
tactical Marine is the best possible example of a perfect magnetized miniature because because
they're just holding their weapon in front of them and so you put a 1.5 millimeter magnet in the
wrist you put a 1.5 millimeter magnet in the gun and then you just you can swap it out I want the
heavy bullet for actually not the heavy Boulder I want the flamethrower I want the melted gun I
want the grab gun because we all use those grab guns right that come in the Tactical Marine kits
and that is like the perfect possible way to use magnets often you can't get away with the magnets
if you play like sisters of battle or Jean Steeler cult maybe towel with those tiny tiny wrists are
kind of impossible to magnetize Orcs you can sort of get away with it if you do the arm on the body
but the orc arm is so tiny it's sometimes hard to actually fit a magnet in there and you definitely
definitely should not magnetize like choppas and shootas because if you're gonna have a hundred
Orcs in your army you just it is unfeasible to actually magnetize every single one of those work
boys and what is the point of magnetizing those weapon options the point is wysiwyg what you see
is what you get having the appropriate gun to show your opponent that is the guy with the special gun
but really is there do you really have to is your opponent Really Gonna recognize like oh that is
the melta gun or that is the plasma gun like without you telling them if they're really into
wargaming and maybe they even have a similar army or the same armor that you have they'll
probably recognize it but like if I was playing harlequins I probably wouldn't recognize all of
those different weapon options and so my opponent should just let me know beforehand oh that's the
harlequin's kiss oh that's the harlequin's pew pew those are the special weapons that they have
and that'll let me know more so than just seeing the exact appropriate thing on the actual model
itself so all of that extra time spent magnetizing the weapon options wasn't super worth it I would
argue that wizzy wig is actually a little bit more important for you than it is for other
people because I am one of those people who do like to have the exact right model because for
me these games are a little bit less competitive and a little bit more role-playing and so I like
to have my guys with the guns they are using in the game but I wouldn't really expect that
from anybody else and so spending all of that time magnetizing all of those weapon options it
kind of makes me a little bit sad because I love these six gals these female space rings that make
up this kill team and they're gonna look great on the Shelf but all of these dismembered arms
aren't going to look that great on the shelf and all of that time spent probably could have been
spent painting up two more guys and that would have looked a lot better on the display Shelf
now that comes with problems too if I wanted to paint two more guys I would have actually had
to purchase two more guys and that might not be feasible if you want to magnetize so that you get
the most possible amount of enjoyment out of your one box then I think that that is a good solution
but for me and my magnetizing I feel like I probably would have enjoyed just having more Death
Watch Marines because even though I do have all of these lovely weapon options right now in the
game of kill team I kind of have the best loadout already equipped on these guys right now it's all
about plasma and so I want as much plasma as I can possibly get maybe if I was fighting harlequins I
would go close combat heavy because that's a good way to take out harlequins and get past their
um their four up and vulnerable save so all of these different beautiful looking little arms are
just gonna sit in a little cup next to these guys and probably not see very much table time I have
lots of magnetized things in my armies but that's a lot of magnetized guys a lot of the magnetized
guns have either been lost over the years or I ended up actually just super gluing them to new
models so that I could have more models with more weapon options and even though they might not all
get used in game they all take up room on the display shelf and I get to look at 40 Space
Marines even though I only ever take 10 in game I have 40 ready to rock and roll to look impressive
on the shelf and I think that brings me a lot more satisfaction than having a swan team with all of
the trimmings now if you're somebody who's very very organized it might make a lot of sense to
monetize your models because you're not actually going to lose all the parts but how many of us War
Gamers out there are super duper organized I have like five or six different armies and all of the
magnetized bits are in little baggies somewhere in my house maybe if I had one of those little
jewelry cases with all the little slots I could have everything organized a little bit better but
come time for Game Time usually I'm taking all my guys throwing them in a cardboard box and taking
them to the local game Shopper to somebody's house and am I gonna remember or am I even gonna know
that I want to take all melters maybe I get to their house and I find out that they're playing
an elite team oh I really want high damage weapons am I gonna think ahead of time am I going to get
all of those weapon options together and swap them in and out I mean probably if I was doing
a really good job but I don't necessarily want to always do a good job and so I find magnets
eh they're just not that helpful for me now for vehicles I think the exact opposite vehicles are
so big and the connection points for guns into the actual tanks is usually super big and super
easy to sink magnets into and so for magnet for vehicles I think magnetizing is a great choice
and those guns are so big that it makes a lot of sense to make sure that you actually have the
correct weapon option on your tank but on little guys I feel like Space Marines are almost as small
as you can get where magnetizing is actually a good option also magnets are really really
hard on these guys I magnetized everything in the body and the arms so I had to paint a whole bunch
of arms and that meant I had to paint a whole bunch of extra shoulder pads and it's a little
Annoying to paint spend so much time painting a beautiful little shoulder pad on a plasma
gun that I probably will never ever actually equip on a dude you know it looks lovely it's
a very lovely disembodied arm but I don't know if it'll ever see tabletop time and I want all
of my Miniatures to actually get played with I would love to know your guys's thoughts on
magnets do you want to magnetize every model do you wish you magnetized all of your models do you
agree with me that magnets just aren't that super useful maybe it's just a fun way to get more work
into our Miniatures and spend more time on our Miniatures than is actually totally practical
and I think that that is definitely for me how I'm gonna go forward with magnets if I am just loving
this kit and I want to spend a lot of time on it and I want to really make it perfect then I think
magnets are a really really good way to go but if it's just going to be kind of a normal Squad
of troops I think I'll just slap something that looks cool on there and just move on I'm finding
that that's how I'm moving with a lot of my newer armies with my black Templar Space Marines I want
every single possible thing usually that just means buying even more models and putting them
together in different ways but a lot of my other armies a lot of my armies that I'm collecting now
like Orcs and a lot of stuff for Aegis Sigmar I kind of even though the instructions say like oh
well these are the sides and these are the swords and they have very different weapon profiles
I might just glue half the squad together with sides and half the squat together with swords
because it just looks cool and on the day I'll tell my opponent exactly what I'm bringing or
really I'll just tell my opponent what that Squad does as opposed to what specific weapon each thing
does because the more and more and more games I play just the more stuff is out there and I
think it makes a little bit more sense to focus on the actual rules than the actual War gear and that
does actually seem to be the direction that Games Workshop is moving in with primary Space Marines
and a lot of the newer kits it's a little bit more about the model and less about the weapon option
in 5th edition 6th edition 7th edition even 8th Edition Warhammer 40K it was all about the weapon
options and that is one of the things that I think has drawn people to Warhammer 40K is those little
tiny minute details the little options the list building things but those actually represent a lot
more fun to be had in game because it was really fun for me in high school while I was ignoring
the teacher in the class I had my notebook and I was writing out my Army lists in the margins
being like ooh the Power sword is very good but the power acts is even better because it's got a
little bit more attacks and that his attacks are going to be better at fighting Nick's Blue Orcs
but nowadays when I have very little time to list filled I just want to grab Miniatures
and get to playing and I think all of those little tiny details with the list building
kinda leads to me not enjoying myself because I'm everybody's waiting on me I'm sitting there being
like Oh God which which weapon am I going to take which weapon I'm going to take well I really just
want to get into the game maybe that means that maggots are good because I can just quickly slip
things on or off maybe more models will do better so I can just grab the ones the exact ones I want
but I don't know I'm very torn on magnets it's a fun little thing to in your brain to be able to
just whip this on and off but the amount of work and the amount of effort it takes to get those
magnets in there perfectly and every single time I try to sync a magnet no matter what I'm gonna
glue it to my fingertips at least twice before I actually get it into the model properly and that
can sometimes lead to a little aggravation and a little annoyance where what never annoys me
is just putting a little bit of glue and sticking that arm on and being like oh you know what it's
a little bit up just a little bit up that's the look I want because another problem with magnets
this arm is a little floppy it's pretty good I have three millimeter magnets in there but uh
it's a little floppy every time I grab this guy I kind of have to reset that sword to exactly where
I want it to be so I don't know in vehicles it always makes sense but in actual Infantry
I don't know if I'm ever going to magnetize a model ever again this skill team actually took
years to put together a little over a year to put together and sure I took humongous breaks but if
I had finished putting these guys together in like one evening and then painted them the next evening
I'd probably put in playing with these guys since the first day of kill Team 2 as opposed to now
these guys are getting done almost two years into kill team two magnets are holding these models
together right now but you know what is holding me together right now that's right the eons of
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as long as I can remember and it is a fun nice little challenge but I don't know how much I
want to be challenged by my Miniatures sometimes I just want to get them done thanks for watching