Camille: When you're not exposed to complex works of art, like Dostoevsky for example
then you end up with a simplistic view of human life.
You see this Utopian view.
Somehow everything's going to be like butterflies and birds, and so on.
The dark side of human existence is completely missing from these people's experience or
study.
Now our generation, I think was more realistic because our parents had been part of the Depression,
World War II, the Holocaust was huge...
Christina: Absolutely.
Right.
Camille: ...and so we had a sense of reality about what is important and what is barbaric
in human history.
This idea that you can micromanage reality down to the pleasant is a Doris Day view of
existence.
It's so reactionary.
People don't realize it's sentimental.
It's middlebrow and it does not belong on the college campus.
Christina: They are sanctimonious.
The sanctimony alone is enough to drive you mad.
What the students are doing now and this is at Oxford University...I think you know about
this...the young women are demanding trigger warnings for anything that's violent or unpleasant
in a classroom, and so I'm thinking again, trigger warnings in a history class because
you're going to study...?
Camille: Also law.
I think it also had to do something of law.
Christina: Oh, yes.
Camille: It had to do with rape cases.
They had to have a trigger warning.
Christina: Well, there's a group of professors at Harvard Law School who are opposed to it
because they have young women who are going to be studying law for some of them to be
litigators, but they do not want to hear even the word, violate.
They've been asked to excise upsetting terms.
Well, what kind of world are we going to have when these people graduate?
Camille: It is so regressive.
It's like the era of the Hollywood studio production code when violence was also censored
on not just sex.
And that's why Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho in 1960, it changed the modern film and opened
it to all kinds of representations of the reality of human existence.
I think that from what I can see, most feminists seem to lack a sense of psychopathology.
They don't understand the most extreme manifestations of human psychology.
So again, they think they can micromanage everything.
They think that they can somehow fine-tune the entire world to be entirely safe.
The world will never be entirely safe for any human being, male or female.
The idea that somehow a girl going out at night alone, as long as everyone has graduated
from an elite school will be somehow protected against an attack from a maniac...
Christina: From a maniac, from psychopaths...
Camille: Exactly.
Christina: ...and that if you tell a young woman, "You should not binge drink, and then
go out and walk around.
You're courting danger."
"Oh, well, tell men not to rape.
Don't tell us what we have to wear."
Camille: It's called blaming the victim.
If you try to give good advice to be street smart about how you dress, and how you behave
and to be aware of your environment, and know how to handle yourself in a potentially dangerous
environment, that's called blaming the victim.
It's absolutely crazy.
Christina: That men aren't predators, but there are predators among men.
Camille: There are truly insane people.
The human mind remains primitive.
The human mind remains half-animal, but of course, if you completely remove biology from
your consideration...
Christina: Then you're going to end up...
Camille: What's the first thing they do with this kind of Girl Scout code, they have a
Girl Scout view of how...
Christina: It's all socially constructed, so we can just re-engineer...
Camille: They're Utopians.
They're in this fantasy world.
They think they can produce a sexual utopia.
But all of the excitement and interest of sexual relations comes from potential danger.
Guess what?
Gay men have known this for thousands of years.
Gay men go out everywhere around the world, and court danger and death every time they
pick up a rough trade on the street.
It happens all the time.
Do you hear gay man complaining all the time?
Gay men trying to micromanage the entire world, so they can pick up strangers in bus terminals
without danger?
No, gay men find the danger a kick, now why is it then that men have that kind of more
sophisticated sexuality?
But no, girls are still children.
We must always protect them.
They're tender flowers.
It is so regressive.
This is not feminism.
Christina: I know it.
Camille: Nor is it modernism.