>> ANA: TLC is planning a special titled "My Husband's Not Gay."
>> CENK: That's awesome.
>> ANA: And it features --. [CENK laughing]
>> CENK: Can I just say, anytime you gotta start a sentence with XYZ is not gay,
you might want to look into it.
>> ANA: So the interesting thing about this special is that
the men that are featured in it admit that they're gay.
And their wives know that they're gay.
But since they're Mormon, they are their homosexual urges
and participating in a traditional marriage anyway.
And they're doing this because they're forced because of their religious beliefs.
Now, according to TLC, it features --
this is amazing.
And we have a little bit of the commercial for you guys.
I want you to take a look at it so you hear their side of the story, and then we'll discuss.
>> CENK: Remember, these people are not gay.
>> ANA: They're not gay.
>> I like to say I've chosen an alternative to an alternative lifestyle.
>> I'm attracted to my wife, for sure.
And I'm definitely attracted to men.
>> He's a good-looking guy, for sure.
>> I'm interested in men.
I'm just not interested in men.
>> That's clear.
>> So are they gay or not?
>> I get a little defensive when somebody calls my husband gay.
>> The whole act is, again, against the teachings of the gospel.
I don't think people understand us.
>> You're attracted to men but you're going on a date with a girl?
>> I want to marry a woman.
But I don't know how to work out these feelings.
I don't know how to tell you this.
But I'm attracted to men.
>> CENK: Bravo.
Bravo.
Look, TLC's ironically the learning channel.
And they stopped learning a while back.
Okay?
They had Sarah Palin on.
They've had, you know -- we've visited the barrel.
And it hasn't been the top oftentimes, right?
So, but I'm amused by this.
And I find it somewhat worthwhile.
It's absurd.
They know that when they label it "My Husband's Not Gay",
," they know how absurd it is.
It's not like they're missing the irony.
They know it.
They're winking at the audience.
But at least it exposes -- this is a reality.
It does happen in the country.
And it exposes people to this reality and makes them think, hmm.
Does this really make sense?
>> ANA: Yeah, so there are a lot of different thoughts that go through my mind
as I watch that trailer or that promo for the special.
First off, there's the one guy who says that he's attracted to his wife.
But he's also attracted to men.
So he's somewhere on that spectrum.
According to what he says, he's not necessarily just gay.
He's attracted to his wife as well.
And the reason why I bring that up is because when I first read about this,
I was actually angry with the wives, because they know, they know
that their husbands aren't straight.
But they're taking advantage of the situation anyway.
And they're like, yeah, I'm gonna have him marry me because I'm pathetic
and I'm going to make him hide the fact or deny the fact that he's gay
or has these gay tendencies.
And I'm gonna force him to be -- I mean, look, she's not forcing him to be with her.
But she's enabling that.
And so I think a good person would say, hey, hold up now.
No, if you're gay, then you shouldn't try to hide it.
You shouldn't try to conceal your identity or not act on what your
natural urges are.
But no, they're like, I'm gonna marry anyway.
But then there's guy who is like, I'm attracted to my wife and I'm also attracted to guys.
That's like a little bit of a gray area, right?
Because if he's bisexual, then I feel like it's okay if she married him.
>> CENK: That's the next show -- my husband's not gray.
>> ANA: But you see what I'm saying?
Because there are plenty of bisexual people out there who have heterosexual marriages.
And that's more open-minded than selfish, I guess.
>> CENK: You make a great point.
the natural reaction is to be like, ha-ha, you're crazy.
Dog, your husband's totally gay.
I don't know what you're doing, right?
But it is more nuanced than that.
There is a spectrum.
And if they're somewhere in that spectrum -- of course, understand,
this happens to be about Mormons.
But it's not just about Mormons.
There are a lot of Christians who are gay throughout the country who are married anyway.
And not just Christians.
Of course, all the other religions as well.
You think there aren't gay Muslims who have a lot of pressure
to get married and pretend to be straight?
Of course.
And then there are people who are somewhere in the middle.
And for those people, they think, look, yeah, I'm attracted to dudes.
But I'm also kind of or maybe very or somewhat attracted to women.
So I'm just gonna make it easier on myself.
And I'm gonna go with side with the women.
And some of them want to have kids.
And so they say -- so I'm gonna lean in that direction, even though
I could lean in either direction.
>> ANA: Yeah, and a woman who understands that her husband
is bisexual and marries him anyway -- I think -- is pretty open-minded.
It takes an open-minded woman to do that.
But for a woman who knows that her husband is gay and that
he's forcing a heterosexual relationship -- well, then you're stupid.
And you really shouldn't enable that.
>> CENK: So it is fascinating that we're giving the people in the middle
of the spectrum, people who marry people in the middle of the spectrum, credit.
While saying if you know your husband's all the way on one side of the spectrum,
come on, dude right?
Because first of all, we are so driven by our biology to have sex.
They're gonna cheat on you.
They're gonna give in right?
And number two, you're asking them by the very act of marriage
to go against their nature.
And putting them in that kind of -- hell is too strong a word.
But that kind of miserable existence for their whole lives where they're fighting against their nature.
I'll give you an analogy.
It's like something else in their nature is breathing.
You're asking them to stop breathing for a long, long time.
Just limited breaths, limited breaths.
Obviously, that's gonna hurt.
You're gonna suffer.
You suffer when you fight any part of your nature.
>> ANA: Going back to what you said about it being a living hell, it absolutely is.
I mean, just flip it on its head.
Imagine you, as a very straight guy, are forced to have a gay relationship.
And you're not allowed to have heterosexual sex.
>> CENK: You're totally right.
>> ANA: It's the equivalent of that.
So it's horrible.
I can't even imagine that.
>> CENK: I mean, look at what Ana's saying, 'cause it's such a good point.
Because if you're one of the straight people out there who think like,
oh, yeah, it's just a choice, man, no, right?
And, okay, if you do flip it and if we listened in that world,
I think anything's possible.
First of all, our morality in this regard would be the exact opposite
if we had overpopulation in the world.
The reason that this morality is as it is is because it became out of
the Israelites have todefeat the can Canaanites.
So we need more kids that are going to grow into soldiers.
I'm way oversimplifying it.
It applies to many different cultures, et cetera.
But we need to populate.
We need to get more people on our tribe, right?
Because if we're going to go fight the other tribe, we need kids.
We can't afford to have gays here.
We got to survive.
We got to survive, right?
That's where even before the fighting of the tribes comes to survival, right?
If we had a situation where our survival depended on us not having so many people around.
We had horrible overpopulation.
Believe me, humans would develop a morality where we would say,
being gay is awesome, okay?
And then imagine a situation where you're a straight gay and they're like,
no, if you were really moral, you'd have sex with men.
>> ANA: Yeah, it's interesting --.
>> CENK: Your whole life.
>> ANA: So you can be right.
But now we do have an issue with overpopulation and limited resources.
>> CENK: And by the way, that's part of the reason why it seems like
we're waking up to the reality that forcing people against their nature
is a bad thing.
But part of the reason we're waking up to that reality is
because we don't need to keep populating the earth anymore.
So you go, oh yeah okay.
I guess we don't have to enforce those morals that don't make any sense.
This is part of the process.
And so that's the reason I like the show, because it's also part of the process.
It shows people this is something that's happening in the country.
And if you think it's absurd, well, there's a good reason to think that.
And at least take a look at it.
Don't avert your gaze.
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