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(Jenner) Because why? I don't want to disappoint people.
Yeah, a lot of people don't know,
but he's a really decorated athlete. He's a gold medalist.
- Wait, is he related to Kylie Jenner? - (Finebros) Yeah.
Okay, okay.
See, I thought that was the only reason he was famous.
I didn't know he was an athlete.
I thought he was just like, oh, another Jenner.
(Sawyer) People who are convinced that this
is a stunt to promote the show.
(Jenner) Yeah, um, we're doing this for publicity. Yeah right.
Such bull[bleep]. Why would you ever say that to anybody?
That's just-- okay. All right. My emotions are inside right now.
I think it's wonderful to see someone be who they are
and be who they feel they are.
He looks so stressed out during that whole thing.
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When this happened, I was in one of my classes.
So everyone's kinda, like, hanging around.
Pretty much, they were kinda just, like,
disregarding everything about Caitlyn's feelings.
And then they're just going on and on about saying, you know,
"Well, he's always gonna be a man.
He was born with a penis. He's always gonna have one."
I'm like, "Do you hear the words coming out of your mouth?"
(Finebros) So did you know about Caitlyn Jenner prior to today?
Didn't everyone?
Yeah, this is a huge thing.
I just know 'cause I watch the show.
I am all for Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
(Finebros) When you hear that someone is transgender,
what are some of the things that come to mind for you?
I don't know if it's a stereotype, but I'm definitely nervous
they're gonna be more attractive than me.
Uh, Gigi. Hello. Gigi is, like, the most beautiful woman
on the face of the planet.
I have a friend that lives in Chicago.
And he's a boy, but he'd rather identify himself as a girl,
and I'm okay with that.
Like, if he wants to be that way, that's totally fine with me.
(Finebros) So some people have said things like,
being transgender is a mental disorder
and that people who will claim otherwise
or claim this is a civil rights matter
are encouraging a mental disorder
rather than treating a mental disorder.
I've actually never heard that.
I just don't feel like you can treat this.
It's like, that's what they want to be.
That's what they want to do.
It's not like they're clinically depressed or bipolar.
They feel happier and completely better off
with who they are in the other gender.
How can anyone be happy with themselves
supporting this negative attitude
when people are literally killing themselves?
You're literally backing up the idea
that anyone of any age who is confused about who they are
should take suicide over this idea that you believe is wrong.
(Finebros) On the other side, there's people who say
that their gender identity is different
than the sex assigned to them at birth,
and they've always known it, and that it is biological,
- that it's science. - I think it's chemically--
I think it's either something that you're born with
or something that you're not.
It's something so big
that of course it's gonna be with you your whole life.
Otherwise, why would you go through the process
of having to do all this?
(Finebros) Why do topics involving sexuality and gender
cause so much controversy more than other things?
I think there's a lot of very conserved people out there
that aren't as open-minded. They want to hold on to values
that they've held for hundreds of years.
Everybody has their views,
same way everybody will have their religious views,
personal views, political views, whatever it may be.
Bottom line is everybody wants to jump in and say
this is what's right and this is what's wrong.
Maybe they have tried and tried to understand,
and they still don't get it.
And it makes them angry that they don't understand it,
so it makes them angry at the issue.
I mean, for me, I don't have an answer to that,
because I've never had a problem with anything like this.
I think a lot of people can understand that
with religion and stuff. It's so hard.
Like, it's the most difficult thing I've ever dealt with.
God loves everyone the same anyways.
So I don't think it really should bother people that much.
(Finebros) Do you know anyone who is trans personally?
No, I don't.
A few people, actually.
I know a lot of people that are questioning.
I've met people that are trans,
but I don't know them as close as I would like to.
(Finebros) And if a family member or a close friend of yours
told you that they were trans and were gonna start transitioning,
would anything change in your relationship with that person?
For me, no, never.
If it makes you happy, then I'm not gonna stand in the way of it.
I would support them in it.
I'd be like, "All right, that's you,"
or, "I just got to re-adapt to who you're becoming."
I think the only thing that would change is
those talks I used to have with a friend of mine who's a female,
I might not have anymore.
And I'd probably start treating them as a male friend.
(Finebros) So back to Caitlyn-- what do you know about her life
- besides this part of it? - Well, yeah.
I had no idea she was a... Olympic athlete.
She just started a Twitter page. (laughs)
He married to Kris on Keeping Up with the Kardashians.
Or not on the show, but you know.
Bruce was the father of the Kardashians, correct?
(Finebros) Some of the Kardashians,
being the stepfather and mothers.
Stepfather and mothers. Okay. That's all I know.
(Finebros) Another controversy has been how this all played out
in a way that seemed very calculated,
everything from the interview to the magazine,
leading up to a brand-new reality show all about her.
Honestly, I don't think it's self-promotion.
That was not the aim. It's become famous.
But that other side of the family,
who's notorious for doing these types of things--
that was their motive. So I don't know.
I think for somebody who has lived their life for so long
in the spotlight of a reality TV show,
it's almost a normal routine.
I feel like it would be better if there was a step back
to let people register and understand,
instead of the constant jumping from one social media platform
to another to another to another.
And there's no break. And you're brainwashed
with everything surrounding this whole transition.
(Finebros) So finally, if someone watching this is transgender
and not out in the open about it
because of worries specifically of ridicule,
what would you say to them?
I would say, just be honest with yourself.
Just be yourself and don't let other people bring you down.
You're holding yourself back from what your life should be,
what you think your life should be. So just do it.
I wish that I could just spread myself so thin
that everyone could not have to go through
this horrible time in their life.
They might not approve of it at the beginning,
but I think your family will still love you
at the end of the day, 'cause other than the label,
it's you that they care about.
And you are much larger than that label,
than what anyone makes up.
So do it for yourself and don't think about the consequences,
'cause you know what? You only have one life, and just do it.
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