-2019, you were here.
We were talking about who should the nominee be.
You were making the argument that the nominee should be
somebody who would excite the base.
I got the sense -- I think we both agreed --
that maybe that wasn't Joe Biden.
Do you think, looking back, you underestimated
how he would perform as a candidate?
I know -- Mea culpa on my own part.
I think I underestimated him certainly
in so far as the kind of campaign he ran.
-Right. Except, you know, the first three primaries
and caucuses, Bernie won the popular vote in all three.
Biden was fourth, fifth, sixth.
So it didn't look like it was going to happen.
And even the party, um --
whatever you call the party hacks that run the party --
they panicked and changed the rules
to get Bloomberg on that stage and in the campaign.
Remember that? They had collectively decided,
"Oh, shoot, Biden's not going to make it.
We got to get Bloomberg in here
and we got to change the rules so he can debate."
So I think that, yes --
Honestly, I think, now looking back,
I think Biden did the right thing.
He was criticized constantly by Trump
for being in the basement, but that's exactly
where I think I would have been, with "SportsCenter" on,
because Trump was defeating himself.
The more Biden just let Trump talk,
the more that Biden just -- the more that Trump
just kept doing one wackadoodle thing after another,
that -- that was going to guarantee his defeat.
And they asked people now in these last couple weeks
who voted for Biden, "What's the number-one reason
why you voted for Biden?"
58% said, "Because I wanted to defeat Trump.
I wanted to remove Trump."
So that's still the number-one reason that they wanted.
But I honestly believe -- Maybe I'm wrong,
but I want to hang onto some belief that Biden
is going to seize this moment.
You know, happy birthday by the way.
He's 78 years old here.
And he knows that he's in that final quarter of his life.
And so I think when people get to that age,
they want to go out believing they've done something profound,
that they've really made a difference.
You don't want to go out because you passed
a good tax bill or trade bill or whatever.
You want to go out because you saved
the people of the United States,
because women finally were equal under the law,
that the racism and the violence against Black people
was going to somehow come to an end,
that we were going to stop this mass incarceration
and all these things that he has a chance
to be remembered in the way we remember,
say, John F. Kennedy, who was president
for two and a half, two and three quarters years. That's it.
And yet look how he's remembered.
So Biden has that chance.
And the people want him to succeed.
I really believe that.
And I do.
And there's so much to get done.
All of us have to be actively involved in this.
We have to get the Senate.
We all have to do whatever we can
to help out in Georgia between now and January 5th.
Everybody in Georgia, you've got to get registered to vote
by December 7th.
If you're 17 and you're up watching Seth right now
because there's no school to go tomorrow,
you can vote in this if you turn 18 by January 5th.
You could register right now at 17 years old.
So these are the things we need to be active and involved in,
and we've got more work to do, but we get to play offense.
We get the -- The quarterback, in his heart, is with us.
And that's not a bad thing. Not a bad thing at all.
-I don't want to leave without you having a chance
to be pessimistic about something.
I do -- I have heard
you're a little worried about the turkey pardon.
-Oh, yeah, that's right. That's coming up on Tuesday.
The pardon every year.
You know, the President pardons the turkey.
And I'm so worried about --
First of all, don't let your children watch this
because things are so crazy with Trump right now.
This is going to be the one year
where the President doesn't pardon the turkey.
The president is going to friggin' kill the turkey.
He's going to wrap his hands around that turkey's neck
or he's going to call Eric in
with one of his safari hunting guns.
Something bad is going to happen with Tommy Turkey.
And this is --
All I want to think about when I think about Thanksgiving
is that the Meyers family --
Is it going to happen this year? -We're being hopeful.
We're trying to quarantine
so that we can do it safely next week.
-Okay. I understand why
because people watching this need to not have --
Unless they're in the same family in the same house,
I think we've got to forego this.
But, you know, it always brings a little cheer to the fans here.
-We're gonna do what we can. You'll see them no matter what.
Whether they're here in person or via Zoom, they'll be here.
-They will be there. And Tommy Turkey --
Please somebody protect that bird, please.
That's all I'm asking. -"Rumble with Michael Moore"
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