When you were here before,
you didn't have the title doctor before,
you were just Reverend Bob Larson.
But now it's Reverend Doctor Bob Larson?
Correct.
What is the doctorate in?
Doctor of divinity.
And when did you have time to do that?
Very busy guy but I do a lot of writing
and I do a lot of study
and I've been working on this for a number of years now
since I last saw you.
What seminary did you go through?
Well, I did online study and by correspondence
and was able to complete it that way
because I don't have the ability
to just sit in one place at one time.
You say you've done 40,000 exorcisms?
Over a career of 40 years, yes.
Is it expensive to get one?
Well, people can come to our seminars.
There is no obligation, no charge for anything.
Now, if they want to get our services
and I'm in a city somewhere
and I have to fly there and set up,
yes, there is a suggested donation for that.
On your website, you don't list doctor on your website.
You should update that.
We're updating a lot of things on our website.
We're just trying to stay up with what we're doing.
'Cause on your website, you say that it's $495
for an in-person encounter.
That's correct.
$395 for a Skype.
Correct.
And $295 for phone.
Correct. So you can do an exorcism
on the phone?
Well, it's not as good as in person
but for some people, it's ...
I don't know, I'm asking.
Sure, you can do. You're educating me here.
I know it's not the best
but we do what we can because some people
can't make arrangements to travel to see us.
Okay, and you said you have a training infrastructure.
You offer training, like, apprentice-level training
for, like, $995, and warrior-level
and exorcist-level training is also $995.
That's not quite, that's not quite accurate.
That's what it says on your website.
I think if you'll check,
you'll see it's a $500 for all 30 courses for three levels.
Yeah, so for $500, I can become an exorcist?
Well, you can learn the techniques
and the procedures, the history,
and all the ramifications of what it means
to understand exorcism.
A lot of that is just understanding the historical template
for what this phenomenon is all about.
Why did the exorcism only work with Thomas?
What do you think? Thomas was completely ready.
He was highly motivated, his demonic spirits
were very reactive instantly.
With Victoria, we did get slight demonic manifestations
but at one point, the evil spirit said,
this isn't gonna work, basically,
because she's doing this for Thomas.
So she wasn't doing it for herself
as an act of her own faith.
Who spoke to you during Thomas' exorcism?
He's drawn some of his demons.
Who actually spoke to you during that exorcism?
Well, the evil spirit spoke through him
and talked about how his ancestors
had performed these terrible blood sacrifice rituals
which had given them generational embedment in his bloodline
to bring about his possession.
And you said you actually spoke to a demon
from, was it, 500 generations?
That's what they claimed, yes.
Do you ever worry about there being a high degree
of suggestibility in what you do?
Because when I was watching with him,
you started talking about snakes
and then he started kinda slithering and hissing.
After I've done so many thousands of exorcisms,
the possibility of suggestibility is always there
with the individual, but it's never there on my behalf.
You don't have to suggest the reality demonic possession
when you go through the violent confrontations
we have with people who under every other circumstance,
according to family and friends, even spiritual mentors,
are completely normal.
But is that suggesting
or is that just calling the demon out?
The demons have to be brought forward.
Sometimes, I don't even say anything.
I sit down with the person and we begin a session
and I've had them jump out of a chair and assault me
without my saying anything.
I've had them begin to speak voluntarily
without my declaring anything.