-Our next guest is a talented actress you know from her work
on shows such as "Mad Men" and
"Chilling Adventures of Sabrina."
She stars in "Swimming With Sharks,"
which is available on the Roku channel.
Let's take a look.
-There are stories of love
inspiring success over the most insurmountable odds.
Empowering stories,
where we're not crucifying one another,
but playing fair.
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This... [ Growling ]
...is not one of those stories.
-Please welcome back to the show, Kiernan Shipka, everybody.
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How are you? -Hello! Oh, my goodness.
I'm well. How are you? -I'm doing very well.
-It's been so long. -It's lovely to have you here.
Last time you were here, we were talking about "Sabrina."
-We were. We were chatting 'Brina.
-And this is now -- this is a lot darker
than the world of 'Brina. -Ooh, I know.
Not a witch anymore. -Not a witch anymore.
But somehow not a witch -- so it takes place in Hollywood,
and it's way darker than witchcraft.
-Yeah, yeah, way more evil.
-So you play an intern who's working for a sort of
high-powered Hollywood executive.
-I do.
-Do you like the darkness of this material?
-I love it.
I don't know if I gravitate toward dark material
or if it just finds me. -Yeah.
-But it's my favorite to do. I love being stoic.
I love having a secret. -Oh, yeah.
And you do have a secret in this.
-Yeah, she's got a lot of stuff going on up here.
-Yeah. -Less dialogue than Sabrina.
I was coming off of 10 months of a ton of exposition
and saving the world. -Yeah.
And Sabrina had to do a lot of spells.
-She did. A lot of Latin.
-A lot of Latin work for an actor,
never fun to have to learn Latin spells.
-No. No. That's not what you sign up for.
-Exactly. -But you do it anyway.
-You do it anyway. -Yeah.
-And the other -- speaking of secrets, you know,
I was first introduced to you in "Mad Men."
And the thing about "Mad Men" that was interesting is
I feel like all the adults in the show had secrets.
You probably didn't have many secrets in that show.
-As a person, not as Sally. -As a character, yeah, yeah.
-Yes, also, yeah, as a character.
Yeah, she was learning everything for the first time.
-A lot of people, I feel like, during the pandemic
went back and watched that show. -Mm-hmm.
-Were you one of those people? -I was, actually.
-Okay. -It was probably the first time
I truly sat down and binged the whole thing.
-I mean, it makes sense. -I watched "Sopranos" first.
-Okay.
-And then I thought, "What next?"
-Yeah. -I guess, "Mad Men."
And I did it. -I mean, it makes sense.
You weren't really -- it was not a show that was,
like, age-appropriate for you when you were starring in it.
-No, no, not for 6-year-olds. -Yeah.
Everybody says you want to be like, 8
before you start "Mad Men."
-Honestly, 12, I think, is the sweet spot.
-Yeah, 12.
That's good that you can now speak to it and be like, "12."
-Exactly. But it was great.
I felt like I was watching it and I'm a fan of the show.
-Did you ever, like, forget something
that you had done on the show?
Like did you see yourself in a scene?
-My memory was jogged. My memory was always kind of jogged.
And I would sort of have an association with the day, too.
-Yeah. -I would say,
"Oh, I had that sort of moment outside of set after I --"
-That's a cool thing, to be able to revisit that
and find that stuff. -Yeah.
-On this show, playing an intern,
sort of Hollywood assistant world.
-Yeah. -A lot of being on calls,
being on e-mails. -Right, right, right.
-Are you, in real life, are you an organized person?
-No, I've got 3,000 e-mails in my inbox.
-No! -Yeah.
[ Laughter ] -No!
-And a lot of unread texts. But something horrible happened.
I learned that I had read receipts on,
and I didn't know that I did, so --
-Oh, God. So for, like, years, people have seen it?
-I don't know how long, Seth. I don't know.
-Well, if you don't remember turning it on,
that means it's probably always been on.
-It could have been. It's really bad.
But, no, I have a lot of e-mails in my inbox
that are not answered. -That's alright.
-But a lot of them are just spam.
A lot of them are from, like, a protein bar.
-Yeah, some of them are probably from family.
-Close, close family, yeah. -Yeah, or emergencies.
-Emergencies, yeah.
-Things that I should really respond to.
-I have heard tell that your grandmother is very invested
in her social media life.
-She's big on it.
She was very mad when Instagram started hiding likes.
-Okay. -Because that was a really big
source of joy, was when my photos --
she would tell me which photos were doing well.
-Gotcha. -And which were not.
[ Laughter ]
-So she would post a photo of you?
-No, she would look at mine. -Oh.
-And she would see how much engagement they were getting.
-That's great.
-Just to keep tabs on it, I guess.
-That's better than if your grandmother was out there,
like, posting her own stuff. I think that's really adorable.
-I think she kind of has a burner account.
I don't think she posts anything for herself.
-Very advanced, for your grandmother
to have a burner account. -Exactly.
Yeah, I don't think she's publicizing her life.
-This is not a member of your family, but I believe someone
as close as family is Timothée Chalamet.
-Ah, yes, Mr. Chalamet, we love him.
He's like family. He's like an honorary Shipka.
-How did he come into the Shipka clan?
-Into the Shipka-verse? We did a movie together.
-Okay. -When I was 14,
and he must have been maybe 18 at the time.
-Okay. -And ever since then,
has just kind of been, like, a bro.
Sometimes would stay at our house in L.A.
when he didn't have a place to stay.
My mom would drive him to auditions.
-That's very nice. -Yeah.
Back in the day. Back in the day.
-He's got a license now, I heard.
-Yeah, exactly. He is driving.
-Things are going pretty well for Chalamet.
-And a direct offer or two as well.
-Is it true that you once brought him on a date,
you third-wheeled him on a date?
-Well, okay, so here's the thing.
It was sort of a date. It was a lunch.
It was a lunch with a boy, and I didn't necessarily know
what the vibe was yet, so I wanted to bring a friend.
-Uh-huh. -And Timmy was the only person
around, so I brought him. -Gotcha.
-Which, in hindsight, is maybe not the most polite thing to do,
because I do think the other boy might have
liked me a little bit.
-Well, he's probably has e-mailed you about it.
-Yeah, I know. [ Laughter ]
-It's just waiting there to be read.
-I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Don't ask me.
-Exactly. -Yeah, it's deep down in there.
-Yeah, deep down. That's just a lost message.
-I know. -Hey, it's always so great
to see you. -Thank you.
-Congratulations about the show. Come back again soon.
-Anytime.
-Kiernan Shipka, "Swimming With Sharks"
is available on the Roku channel.
Be right back with music from Fontaines D.C.