Dr. Naggie, you've been listening to my conversations
with Yvonne and Kyle
and we've talked about a list
of different cures, miracle cures and claims,
teas, herbs, alts, heat technology, toothpastes,
dietary supplements, fake pills, vaccines,
fake diagnostic tests, hydrogen peroxide,
creams, lotions, powders, potions, lozenges, tinctures,
essential oils, colloidal silver,
silver sol liquid, silver spray,
antiviral misting spray, nasal sprays,
cannabis products, the trinity remedy mix,
vitamin C, potassium, thiocyanate,
all of these sort of things
and I'm really curious what you have to say about this.
Is there a cure?
We don't even have a vaccine,
let alone a cure for this, do we?
Thank you, Dr. Phil for having me
and what I want to emphasize,
I think this highlights just how scared people are.
This is a novel virus.
So with novel viruses, we don't have vaccines,
we don't have medical therapies or antivirals
to prevent the infection or to treat the infection.
Well, doctor, what do you think about Kyle's claim?
I told him that I did not believe
that he had any clinical studies,
I did not believe that CBD had been demonstrated
as a miracle cure for coronavirus or COVID-19,
not a miracle cure or even having any demonstration
to affect it at all
and he had these ads up
that it would crush the coronavirus or COVID-19.
I'm telling him, I don't believe he has any basis
for saying that whatsoever.
Am I wrong, is he right?
What do you think about his claim
that this is a miracle cure?
I mean no, Dr. Phil, you're not wrong.
And look, I can see that he is very passionate about CBD.
And I think that's actually great,
he wants to help people
but the reality is is that at this point in time,
while there may be evidence for a drug
to work in one disease state,
it does not mean that that translates
into another disease state,
in particular, an infection.
So at this point in time,
we simply don't have the data to say,
or safe trials to suggest
that there is an actual benefit
in a patient with this infection
or the severe immune response
that we see associated with the infection.
Well, do you believe that CBD
it's not a cure-all of course,
and isn't it true that in fact
in some infections CBD
has a biological plausibility for harm?
So yes, there are multiple in vitro studies with CBD.
Some of those in vitro studies
can suggest that it can in fact
prevent what we call persistence of viral infection.
But in fact, if you look at other viral infections,
again, in vitro means that we're talking about
in a petri dish or in a test tube,
which does not necessarily translate into humans.
But in fact there is evidence
that in some cases, CBD can increase the risk
of developing an infection
in the setting of exposure to a virus.
I think that is a good example of why
these sorts of things need to be studied
in well controlled trials
to make sure that we're not giving a bad recommendation
to a desperate patient
or even a desperate clinical provider
who wants to take care of their patient.
Kyle, what do you say to Dr. Naggie?
Well, I would just question
what are these other medications designed to do?
I never understood why I was being given
medications I've ever been given
and now I understand why those didn't work for me.
I understand that the endogenous cannabinoid system
is the number one regulatory system in the human body.
And so why would not CBD
allow for it to improve the immune system's function
as these human functions that are in everybody exist?
So I'm happy to respond to that.
So I think the issue is CBD is a molecule,
it's a chemical, like many chemicals,
and while there may be effects with the immune system,
there can also be off effects
that can also have detrimental effects
somewhere else in the body.
And I think when it comes to a viral infection,
we simply don't know what role that could play.
And that is why study is so important
to ensure that we understand
the balance of risk and benefit
and to do that in the right patient population
so that we can help guide them through their disease course.