path. We need to establish that he got fired because he sent
some highly inappropriate email. Yeah. Yeah.
Crappy, loose Allen, right? The former executive and ultimately
president of the Washington football team. Now
the Washington commanders 2011
Bruton was working at ESPN.
Not working for any team, but he sent these emails,
hateful, nasty
over-the-top just
just vile stuff.
Offensive language in every direction
and
for the substance of the statements that he articulated,
he deserves a lot,
right? That's right. No Dom.
And he's gotten it. He's endured it.
He has, he's got what he deserved maybe and maybe more.
The other side of the coin. Yeah,
and this is where his lawsuit comes from.
And this is where
you have to always respect the rights of someone, no matter
how unpopular they may be, or no matter how ugly,
the conduct they engaged in,
because people still have rights, right? And it's more
important to respect their rights when it's very tempting
to say screw them. Yeah, screw you got laid. All right. You're
a true. You're right. Yeah. Sure. You're right.
Yeah. Yeah. That ain't so, Jon Gruden. Still has rights.
Right? And his lawsuit against the NFL and Roger Goodell filed
in Nevada,
argues that
the league office the NFL.
Interfered with his business relationship with the Raiders
by leaking emails that forced him out. That once those emails
came out. Once they were handed to the New York Times And The
Wall Street Journal. And again
again.
This isn't a case of high-level
sleuthing. By the times, the Wall Street Journal. Nobody's
digging around in dumpsters piecing together, shredded
documents.
This is and and there are some in the business who get mad
when I say that because they like to maintain this a lure
that there's some great mystery to what we do. b*******.
We're handed things all the time. 98% of the news and is
broken
in the NFL world is something that someone handed to a reporter.
Affirmatively without the reporter even asking it. It's
something that someone wants to get out, either to Curry favor
with the reporter. So the reporter doesn't exercise his
or her discretion to criticize at some point and that's part
of the price you pay
when you're in this
quid pro quo trade, so you can get the release five minutes
before it gets sent out by the team. Or
just, hey, I want to screw this guy.
Screw Jon Gruden.
I want to get this out there. How do I
Do it. Hmm. I'll give it to the media. Who do I? Give it to?
Let me give it to some.
Let me give it to some newspapers. It really have some
heft that have gravitas
The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times. Let's give it
to them. And that as soon as those emails are out there and
it started with a few,
right? And I think what they were doing. If I think back to
that time in October, it's all happening during football
season Chris, but what they were doing is, you know, they
it's like the old, you know, I'm showing you my sword
a little bit,
you know, they're pulling the The sword out of the sheath.
Hey, look what we got here. John Green. You better walk
away while you can't. Hey Mark David. You better get rid of
this guy. Why you can't know you're not going to? Well,
here's more of the sword
and now you got to walk away.
I feel like, that's exactly what happened. Somebody was
leaking. These,
it's just my eyes. Yeah, and levels until until there was no
choice right Seymour. And and look, whether you agree or
disagree with what happened to Jon Gruden,
Mark Davis, should have been able to make that decision
without those emails, becoming
Public. Because these were documents
from this 650,000 email Trove, that they refused to release to
the public. So, all of that stuff on Subs, going to be
secret, the stuff about Gordon should have been secret to. And
Mark Davis should have
been able to make his decision about Jon Gruden
without being pushed to do it by having everyone. See these
emails? And it's like, well, we got no choice. He's got to go.
Can't stay once. He's our out, can't. There's no way you can
stay.
I can't even make a decision now,
I can't say, well, it was
2011, you weren't even working for me.
Did she? It's not relevant to me,
right? I can't do that.
You're out, you're gone.
You got to go, you can't stay. And that's the argument the NF
Gruden believes, the NFL,
fourth Mark, Davis his hand for screwed nowt by leaking these
emails. So so bottom line. Well, he's let me take this.
Do you think that the emails were known any time before this
a little bit that they were there? Like, you're saying, and
the fact that maybe Mark Davis didn't react the way.
They want, they felt like they had a release may be more of
them. No, I mean it's something I never really thought about
but I was sitting there listening to you
as you go. Maybe, maybe they realized Mark. Davis wasn't
going to make the right decision again. I'm not, I'm
just throwing this out there for, for conversation, for
thought. I don't know that, but it's just something that has
crossed my brain and it did there when you were talking
about this.
I was told at the time that the league knew about them in June.
Now, I don't know why. It wasn't brought to a head in
June and and
and the week that this was all happening, the NFL was in
the process of putting together. A packet of information that was
sent to Mark Davis based upon what was found in these emails
from right? Jon Gruden. You could
argue, You could argue the mere Act of carving off. The emails
from one company's server that are being regarded as private
by the NFL as
Conduit from one independent company to another independent
company
and sharing that information,
right?
That in and of itself, you could argue is tortious
interference with John Gruden's
business relationship with his current employer. And let's try
to think of a different context here and I'm doing this on
the fly. So bear with. Yeah, cool. Let's say let's say
that Jon Gruden was an executive at Coca-Cola, right?
Okay.
No, not even that, it's not even
That extract my God, it's worse than that from the standpoint
of interference by the league. Let's say Jon Gruden. One
working for anybody
and he sent him emails to a buddy at Coca-Cola. Yeah,
that's what it was. Some some inappropriate emails to a buddy
at Coca-Cola
and then a decade later. He's working for Pepsi
and there's a trade Association out there. The
American soft-drink manufacturers Association,
and they Twinned of the emails that were sent by Jon Gruden to
Coca-Cola and they decide they're going to send him to
Pepsi to get the guy in trouble
mean just on the surface. Yeah, there's something about it.
That stinks. Yeah, no doubt. Again.
Not not defending John girl. Right,
right, but the NFL just serving as the conduit to Mark Davis in
the first place stinks,
but then, when Mark Davis, doesn't do what you want him to do
leaking, these things to reporters. If this is true,
If the allegations are true
leaking these things to reporters to get him fired.
That's that's despicable. It's heinous.
It's every bit as bad as the content of the emails that Jon
Gruden sent. Its weaponizing. These documents that are
supposedly secret
with the end in mind of getting Jon Gruden out of his job. It
really, it it look, I got a black one, what John's room
I did, but I got a problem with what was done to him. You
can have both. I think it's fair to have both feelings.
There. They go. Yeah, that ain't cool. Jon Gruden coach
Gruden. That ain't cool that. Language, no doubt. I mean it's
wrong. Not cool,
but you can also go damn, that's really screwed up by
the NFL to. There's no doubt about it and and both things can be
true as pizza into my ear. And, you know, again
where I don't want it to be misconstrued here, either. But,
man, am I,
I'm, I was so happy to see this news yesterday. And I know it
doesn't. It's not final yet. But oh my gosh, I mean,
if Gruden can win this,
this is going to be great. It's gonna be something. You've Talk
about all the time. We're going to be out of the kangaroo
Court. We're going to get to hear some of the dirty details
of the NFL. Some of their dirty laundry is in to be made public
and
you don't see that happen with the NFL very much. But this one
might be the one that does it,
and that's what happened. Yesterday, the same day that
Colin Kaepernick got his workout with the Raiders. Jon
Gruden went to court. They had a hearing on two motions
made by the NFL motion to dismiss his
lawsuit entirely
for failure to State a claim.
We have everything in there is true. He still can't get relief
in this court system that motion was denied by the judge
from the bench during the hearing. And also
the motion to compel arbitration
the motion to send the case
to Roger. Goodell's
secret rigged, Kangaroo Court. I'm going to keep calling at
that folks. I don't care if you don't like it. It's what it is.
NFL
secret. Rig Kangaroo Court, that's where they wanted it to be
to keep it all quiet to keep it all hidden.
And, and to get the outcome, they want
the judge denied that to
From the Bench, Chris. Yeah, I did explain that. Because judges
with essays judges, rarely, bang the gavel and issue
a ruling From the Bench. Even Wapner, took five minutes to go
back to go, back to his room and come back and give you
a decision.
Rarely. Does it judge? I mean, that is spiking the football in
the face of the losing party. When you issue the ruling From
the Bench, they typically
And I act like there's things that I on it, I'd be lying. I'd
be lying if I said it hasn't happened to me on both sides
frankly at one time or another during the 19 years,
I practiced law but but usually they take the case under
advisement. We'll take it under advisement and then
I'll get back to you with my decision and then a week or two
later. You get the decision. No, this is, this is the judge,
did her homework.
She knew where the wind was blowing. She knew where this
outcome needed to go. She went to the hearing and she heard
absolutely nothing from the NFL's lawyers to change her
mind. Boom, knock on wood. If you're with me,
boom, bang the gavel and she's with Jon Gruden.
And now now now fellas already said they're going to appeal,
of course, it's Chris, Chris, the st. Louis relocation
lawsuit against the NFL, and the Rams was tied up in court
for five years on the question of whether or not st. Louis
would have to arbitrate,
they went all the way to the US, Supreme Court on that issue.
They will push and push and push.
As far as they can
because they don't want.
The light of day
to be exposed
to these facts. They don't want this stuff coming out. They
don't want us to know who ordered the code red. They want
it all to go into their secret red kangaroo process. So they
will fight and fight and fight and fight
and take it to the highest court in the land
to try to keep from having
to fight Jon Gruden. Open court. I guarantee you that
they did, was no, no, don't Right. I mean II just I did
this this is to me where the NFL starts to show their real
power and really the Oleg Arc start to show.
Oh wait, I got this judge and this lawyer and the president
and everybody here right? On speed dial. If we need to call
some people now and really go full through. I guess that's
where I think the NFL
goes to another level here. Well, it's this is when they
act a lot like a certain failed former politician
who can't admit that he was wrong. Well, they're getting
will also and Sue and Sue and Go to Every Court possible and
lose and all, but one of them
and and that that's what the NFL will do. They will not
acknowledge. They were wrong, right? They will not
acknowledge that. The case should play out in court. They
will fight and they will fight, and they will fight because
they don't want to fight Jon Gruden in court. They don't
want this stuff coming out and we want it to.
Yeah, we wanted to
for a couple of reasons
one. We want to know what happened. We want the truth and
we know we're not going to get the truth. If it plays out in
the secret rig. Kangaroo Court of Roger Goodell.
And number two. Sometimes it's nice to see
big Shield get its comeuppance. When somebody did something,
they shouldn't have done. And the bottom line is whoever it
was,
whether it was the NFL,
whether it was Roger, Goodell,
whether it was Daniel Snyder,
whoever ordered the code red. Yeah, deserves to be exposed
and held accountable for it, wasn't well, thought out it's
far more likely to happen in court, than, in
the secret rig. Kangaroo Court. Yeah. Now, I'm,
I hope we can get there.
I mean, I'm hopeful but I don't know if I really believe that
we will. I don't, I mean again that like you've discussed and
like we've said, this is where the NFL seems of
pull all the right strings. And has, you know,
problem powder st. Louis. I know not against St. Louis. Oh,
that's where I was gonna say like, though, to that, like,
you know,
I mean, the magnitude the fact that it's Gruden. I mean,
everybody knows Jon Gruden that. And then
that this is also connected to the Washington thing here.
I just, I don't know. They do you think because of the public
nature of all this and some of the names and how long
the story is going to be going here. Do you think that this is
one that the NFL might have a harder time? Kind of swipe it
under the rug compared to other ones. In other
years.
I look they've already lost at the district, court level
at the lowest court level.
We'll see what the appeals courts do in Nevada.
I didn't think their argument was very
Wrong in the first place. They're trying to bootstrap
together. This notion that Jon Gruden is bound by the NFL's
Constitution and bylaws to pursue the claim through
arbitration. There. It was a weak argument in the first
place. But again, they're going to throw everything they have
at this because the mandates going to be keep this thing out
of court, whatever we do spend, whatever it takes. We can't
allow this thing to be in court. So,
I, it's one thing to have a coaching contract that has
clear language in it. Requiring you
to pursue your claims.
In arbitration, that's a little bit harder to wiggle out from
under
the argument. The NFL, was trying to make against Gruden
to me was a lot more
more difficult for the league. So I'm holding out. Hope even
if it takes five years, right, at the end of the day, we're
going to get access to things. We're going to find out about
things and then it's going to be like, Saint Louis where, for
example,
the st. Louis Post-Dispatch gets documents showing
that when Stan kroenke bought the land
at Hollywood Park
that he knew damn. Well,
he wanted to build a stadium.
And move the Rams there and the Rams and the league got
together and said, how do we keep this secret? And well, we
just can't say anything about it. And Roger Goodell goes to
a press conference acts. Like he doesn't know anything about it,
even though he does, that's what documents show.
And then five years later, ours could tell the press conference
confront over that basically pulls the Shaggy Eddie Murphy
line and says, it wasn't me, didn't do it and they move on
to the next question.
We may be there five years from now where some stuff comes out
that forces, Roger Goodell. If he's still the commissioner
then tack like he didn't say what he said when the documents
will show
That it was said that it was done.
We only get access to that,
if Jon Gruden ultimately prevails. So,
team Gruden. Sorry,
we both got. We both got our black on today where we are.
I guess we're Raiders fans. First were real fans were
wearing black because of the Raiders. That's why on this
point of exposing what happened, right? The NFL did
it's not team Gruden on the standpoint of what he did, but
both things
can be true. He did something wrong. Wrong, they did
something wrong.
Today is about them doing something wrong
and having it exposed. So,
from that perspective,
team Gruden. Yeah, and only
from that perspective
and team Raiders
go. Raiders charade has
and Gruden said yesterday, coming out of court. We're
going to process all that of itself. Good luck to
the Raiders go Raiders. I love it. Don't have anything else to
comment on the process. Will take care of itself. It's good
to be back
in Vegas. I'm going to go see friends tonight. A'ight.
Hey, last night was a cause for celebration again, what he did
was wrong,
but what was done to him the way it was done was wrong and
it's not the first time,
something like that has happened.
And
hopefully this time someone's hand was caught in the cookie
jar, just like Gruden's was
and he got his
somebody else did something they shouldn't have done and
maybe they're going to get