POOR JACK.TOWN MURDER AND TEENAG ASSASSIN.
ASSASSIN. IT SOUNDS LIKE A HOLLYWOOD
STORY, AND IT WAS.
BUT BEFORE NICOLE KIDMAN’S FILM,
"TO DIE FOR" CAME OUT IN 1995,
IT WAS THE REAL LIFE DRAMA OF
PAMELA SMART.
PAMELA SMART. REMEMBER THAT NAME?
AND A CASE THAT CAPTIVATED THE
NATION.
NATION. INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY’S
INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY’S BRAND-NEW SERIES, PAMELA SMART,
AN AMERICAN MURDER MYSTERY DIVES
INTO THE REAL LIFE STORY OF
MARRIED WOMAN, HIGH SCHOOL TEACH
STUDENT AND ALLEGED MURDER PLOT
AGAINST HER UNSUSPECTING
HUSBAND.
HUSBAND. WATCH THIS.
WATCH THIS. >> IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST
SCANDALOUS.
SCANDALOUS. >> I HAD AN AFFAIR.
>> SALACIOUS AND SHOCKING TRIALS
IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
THE STORY OF 22-YEAR-OLD
NEWLYWED PAMELA SMART, A HIGH
SCHOOL EMPLOYEE ACCUSED OF
SEDUCING A STUDENT AND
MANIPULATING HIM TO MURDER HER
HUSBAND.
HUSBAND. ON THE NIGHT OF MAY 1st, 1990,
PAMELA CAME HOME TO FIND GREG
LYING MOTIONLESS ON THE FLOOR.
THE AUTOPSY REPORT REVEALED GREG
WAS SHOT IN THE HEAD JUST ABOVE
HIS EAR.
HIS EAR. THE POLICE UNCOVERED AN AFFAIR
PAMELA WAS HAVING WITH HIGH
SCHOOL STUDENT BILLY FLYNN.
JOURNALIST DIANE DIAMOND
FOLLOWED THE CASE CLOSELY.
>> PAMELA SMART, 22 YEARS OLD IS
HAVING A SEXUAL AFFAIR WITH A
15-YEAR-OLD BOY AND THIS BOY IS
TIED TO THE MURDER OF HER
HUSBAND.
HUSBAND. THIS IS SHOCKING.
>> PAMELA SMART AT THE CENTER OF
A BREWING STORM AND
INVESTIGATION DISCOVERY’S NEW
SERIES, PAMELA SMART:AN AMERICAN
MURDER MYSTERY, EVERY TRIGS.
>> DID PAM KNOW WHAT YOU WERE
GOING TO DO THAT NIGHT?
>> YEAH, SHE PLANNED IT.
>> EVERY TURN IS ON FULL
DISPLAY.
DISPLAY. >> YOU SAID, GOD, FORGIVE ME.
WHAT HAPPENED?
WHAT HAPPENED? >> I PULLED THE TRIGGER.
>> PAMELA SMART WAS ARRESTED AND
INDICTED ON CHARGES INCLUDING
FIRST DEGREE MURDER.
>> IT REALLY IS A HE SAID, SHE
SAID CASE.
SAID CASE. >> WHO DO YOU BELIEVE?
>> WEEKS LATER THE JURY RULED.
>> DEFENDANT GUILTY OR NOT
GUILTY OF THE DEFENSE CHARGED.
>> GUILTY.
>> GUILTY. >> I HEREBY SENTENCE YOU TO THE
NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE PRISON FOR
WOMEN FOR THE REMAINDER OF YOUR
LIFE WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF
PAROLE.
PAROLE. >> PLEASE WELCOME PAUL WHO
PROSECUTED IN 1991 AND PHIL
NICHOLS, A NEW POLICE OFFICER
STILL CHASING NEW CLUES AS
PAMELA SMART’S LEAD
INVESTIGATEer.
INVESTIGATEer. WE SHOULD TELL THE AUDIENCE,
THERE’S A NEW PUSH BY PAMELA TO
BE CONSIDERED FOR PAROLE, EVEN
THOUGH SHE’S NOT ELIGIBLE FOR
IT.
IT. THAT’S ONE OF THE REASONS THE
CASE IS BACK IN THE NEWS.
LET ME START WITH YOU AS THE GUY
THAT PROSECUTED THE CASE.
THE MAIN THEORY WAS THAT SHE
RECRETED THESE TEENAGERS,
INCLUDING BILLY WHOSE LAST NAME
WAS WHAT?
WAS WHAT? >> FLYNN.
>> FLYNN. >> BILLY FLYNN.
15, THEN 16-YEAR-OLD WHEN HE
COMMITTED THE CRIME TO KILL HER
HUSBAND.
HUSBAND. WHY?
WHY? WHY DID SHE WANT HIM DEAD?
>> I THINK SHE WANTED HIM DEAD
BECAUSE SHE COULDN’T BE WITH
BILLY.
BILLY. I THINK SHE WANTED HIM OUT OF
HER LIFE.
HER LIFE. WHY SHE RECRUITED BILLY -- SHE
DIDN’T RECRUIT HIM.
SHE HAD AN AFFAIR WITH BILLY.
SHE CONVINCED BILLY THE OM WAY
THEY COULD BE TOGETHER WAS IF
GREG WAS DEAD.
SHE DIDN’T WANT TO BE THE
22-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WHO DIVORCED
HER HUSBAND TO HAVE AN AFFAIR
WITH THIS 15, 16-YEAR-OLD BOY.
GO AHEAD.
GO AHEAD. >> HER DEFENSE, AS I UNDERSTAND
IT, WAS THESE TEENAGERS DID IT.
I DIDN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH IT.
WITH IT. I’M A VICTIM.
I HAD AN AFFAIR WITH A TEENAGER
BUT I DIDN’T RECRUIT THEM TO
KILL.
KILL. >> SHE MAY HAVE SAID THAT BUT
THAT’S BELIED BY THE EVIDENCE AT
TRIAL.
TRIAL. THE EVIDENCE AT TRIAL WAS
OPPOSITE OF THAT.
THERE’S EVIDENCE OF THREE BOYS
SHE ACTUALLY ASKED THEM TO DO
IT, HOW TO DO IT, SET THEM UP TO
DO IT BY LEAVING HER HOUSE OPEN.
THERE WAS TESTIMONY FROM CECILIA
PIERCE.
PIERCE. >> ANOTHER YOUNG TEENAGERED GIRL
INVOLVED IN THIS.
>> WHO SHE INTO WITH WHILE
PLANNING THE MURDER.
THEN THERE WERE THE TAPES.
THE TAPES WERE THE MOST DAMNING
PIECE OF EVIDENCE.
>> CECILIA GOT PAMELA SMART ON
TAPE.
TAPE. SHE WORE A WIRE TO HELP THE
COPS.
COPS. >> THERE WERE TWO CONVERSATIONS
BETWEEN CECILIA PIERCE AND PAM
SMART WHERE PAM WAS SAYING
THINGS TO CECILIA.
THE POLICE ARE GOING TO COME
TALK TO YOU.
YOU CAN’T TELL THE TRUTH.
IF YOU TELL THE TRUTH YOU’RE
GOING TO GET IN TROUBLE.
IF YOU TELL THEM WHAT YOU KNOW
YOU’RE GOING TO BE SEND ME TO
JAIL, BILLY TO JAIL, PATRICK TO
JAIL.
JAIL. SHE SAYS THINGS LIKE IF THEY
DIDN’T TALK TO RALPH WELCH, THE
FIRST PERSON TO REVEAL THE
MURDER TO POLICE BECAUSE HE
HEARD THE BOYS TALKING, IF HE
NEVER SAID ANYTHING, WE NEVER
WOULD HAVE HAD A PROBLEM.
EVERYTHING WAS GOING FINE.
CECILIA SAYS THINGS ON THE TAPE,
THEY MADE IT LOOK LIKE A
BURGLARY JUST LIKE YOU TOLD THEM
TO.
TO. PAM WOULD SAY, JOAO, THAT’S
RIGHT.
RIGHT. THAT’S PRETTY DAMNING EVIDENCE
ON THE TAPE.
>> THAT’S PRETTY OPEN AND SHUT.
>> WHEN I SAY TO PEOPLE WHEN
THEY ASK ME ABOUT THE EVIDENCE,
THIS IS OVERWHELMING.
IT WAS NOT A CLOSE CASE.
MY JOB AS THE PROSECUTOR WAS NOT
TO SCREW IT UP.
>> JUST DELIVER IT.
>> JUST DELIVER IT.
>> WE’LL GET INTO MORE OF HER
SIDE OF IT, TOM.
>> I DISAGREE.
>> ISN’T EVERYTHING HE SAID
TRUE?
TRUE? >> I’M SHOCKED.
>> YOU’RE SHOCKED.
THINK OF IT, THEY PLED OUT,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? WHEN YOU PLEAD OUT, YOU’LL DO
ANYTHING.
ANYTHING. >> THE BOYS.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. I’D SAY, HEY, SHE’S GUILTY.
OF COURSE I WOULD.
LIFE SENTENCE, FIRST DEGREE
MURDER OR SECOND DEGREE MURDER.
>> IF THE YOUNG GIRL COMES TO ME
AND SAID YOU KILLED THEM JUST
LIKE YOU TOLD THEM TO, I WOULD
BE LIKE, WHAT, I DIDN’T TELL
THEM ANYTHING.
THEM ANYTHING. >> LOOK AT IT THIS WAY.
PAM WAS IMMATURE.
I DO THIS PRO BONO.
I DON’T GET PAID.
I BELIEVE IN HER INNOCENCE.
>> HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THE STUFF
ON THE TAPE.
>> KIDS WEREN’T AUTHENTICATED.
IN 1996 THOSE TAPES WERE
CHECKED.
CHECKED. WHERE ARE THE TAPES NOW?
>> I’LL TELL YOU WHERE THEY ARE,
ARCHIVES, NEW HAMPSHIRE
ARCHIVES.
ARCHIVES. YOU CAN GO LISTEN TO THEM.
I BET YOU HAVEN’T LISTEN TO
THEM.
THEM. >> I HAVEN’T.
THEY WOULDN’T LET US LISTEN TO
THEM.
THEM. >> STAND BY.
THERE’S A LOT MORE TO TALK ABOUT
ON THIS CASE INCLUDING WE’RE
GOING TO SHOW YOU DIANE DIAMOND
US.">>> SO IT’S BEEN ALMOST 30 Y SINCE PAMELA SMART WAS CONVICTED
AND SENT TO PRISON.
THE HIGH SCHOOL WORKER HAD AN
AFFAIR WITH A STUDENT BILLY
FLYNN WHO THEN SHOT HER HUSBAND
IN THE HEAD KILLING HIM.
IN 2015 BILLY WAS RELEASED FROM
PRISON.
PRISON. PAMELA IS STILL SERVING A
SENTENCE AND HAS NO POSSIBILITY
OF PAROLE.
OF PAROLE. SHE MAINTAINS HER INNOCENCE AS
SHE HAS ALL ALONG.
JOURNALIST DIANE DIAMOND HAS
BEEN FOLLOWING THIS SINCE THE
EARLY DAYS.
EARLY DAYS. IN A BRAND-NEW DISCOVERY SERIES
PAMELA SMART: AND AMERICAN
MURDER MYSTERY, SHE SITS DUNE
WITH PAMELA SMART IN PRISON.
TAKE A LOOK.
>> HE WAS JUST LAYING THERE.
IT WAS JUST TOTAL SHOCK.
I DON’T REMEMBER THE ENTIRE
NIGHT BUT I REMEMBER CERTAIN
FLASHES OF IT.
I WANTED THEM TO SOLVE THE
MURDER OF MY HUSBAND, AND SO I
WAS EXTREMELY COOPERATIVE AND
THEY WERE VERY NICE.
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN THAT ALL
SHIFTED.
SHIFTED. NOW LOOKING BACKWARDS, OBVIOUSLY
WHAT HAPPENED IS THEY BECAME
CONVINCED I WAS A SUSPECT.
>> WHAT DO YOU WANT THE WORLD TO
KNOW?
KNOW? >> I WANT THE WORLD TO KNOW MY
INCARCERATION IS UNJUST, MY
TRIAL IS UNFAIR AND I’M BEING
HELD IN PRISON FOR A CRIME I
DIDN’T COMMIT.
DIDN’T COMMIT. >> THE PROSECUTOR SAYS IF YOU
WOULD ONLY ADMIT SOME LEVEL OF
RESPONSIBILITY IN THIS, YOU
WOULDN’T BE SITTING HERE TODAY?
>> IF YOU GO AND ADMIT TO A
MURDER THAT YOU DIDN’T EVEN
COMMIT YOU CAN GET OUT OF
PRISON, BUT IF YOU’RE REALLY
INNOCENT YOU CAN’T.
WHAT KIND OF SYSTEM DO WE HAVE?
AS OF NOW, THERE IS NO CHANCE
FOR PAROLE.
FOR PAROLE. IN FACT, MY PAPERWORK SAYS THAT
MY PAROLE DATE IS 99th DAY OF
THE 99th MONTH OF 9,999.
>> JOINING US NOW, JOURNALIST
DIANE DIAMOND ALONG WITH THE
FORMER PROSECUTOR AND PAMELA
SMART’S INVESTIGATOR TOM
NICHOLS.
NICHOLS. SO DIANE, FASCINATING.
FASCINATING TO SEE HER AFTER ALL
THESE YEARS.
THESE YEARS. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> SHE LOOKS REMARKABLY
DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. >> WELL, SHE’S NOW ALMOST 51
YEARS OLD.
YEARS OLD. HER BIRTHDAY IS THIS WEEK.
SHE’S BEEN IN PRISON LONGER THAN
SHE WAS EVER OUT OF PRISON.
>> SHE’S DYEING HER HAIR?
THE HAIR WAS THE FIRST THING
THAT GRABBED ME WHEN I SAW THE
DIFFERENCE.
DIFFERENCE. >> I HEARD WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT
YOUR HAIR EARLIER.
YEAH, YOU MAKE DO IN PRISON.
YOU USE CONCOCTIONS LIKE
MAYONNAISE AND PEROXIDE AND GET
THE JOB DONE.
>> I DIDN’T KNOW THAT.
>> NOW YOU KNOW.
>> SHE STILL MAINTAINS HER
INNOCENCE, NEVER WAVERED ON THE
FACT SHE SAID THE BOYS DID IT ON
HER OWN.
HER OWN. >> SHE DOES IN EVERY BREATH
ADMIT SHE HAD THIS AFFAIR WITH A
16-YEAR-OLD KID.
16-YEAR-OLD KID. SHE IS HORRIBLY REMORSEFUL FOR
THAT.
THAT. >> I’LL BET, IN PRISON.
>> BUT SHE BELIEVES GREGG WOULD
STILL BE ALIVE IF SHE HAD NEVER
HAD THAT AFFAIR.
>> THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT THAT’S
BECAUSE SHE WOULDN’T HAVE
CONVINCED BILLY TO MURDER HIM,
RIGHT?
RIGHT? THESE WHAT THE PROSECUTION SAID.
>> SHE DIDN’T DO THAT.
THE TAPES ARE SO COMPELLING AS
THE PROSECUTOR SAID.
HOWEVER, WHAT HE DOESN’T SAY IS
HOW PAM EXPLAINED THAT.
PAM TOLD A COUPLE OF FRIENDS,
ONE OF WHOM TESTIFIED AT THE
TRIAL BEFORE SHE EVER DID IT,
SHE SAID I’M GOING TO CALL UP
CECILIA, AND I’M GOING TO
PRETEND I KNOW ABOUT THIS MURDER
SO I CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT SHE
KNOWS.
KNOWS. SHE’S THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS GOT
ANY INFORMATION.
ANY INFORMATION. THE POLICE WON’T TALK TO ME.
EVERY TIME I TALK TO CECILIA,
SHE SAYS, I HEARD THERE WAS A
GLOVE FOUND OR I HEARD THEY
FOUND THE MURDER WEAPON OR I
HEARD THIS OR HEARD THAT.
PAM SAYS ON THOSE TAPES SHE’S
PLAY ACTING PROSECUTE OF TRYING
TO GET INFORMATION.
WHAT ABOUT THAT, PAUL?
IS THAT POSSIBLE?
>> LET’S TALK ABOUT THE FACTS.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE SAID AT
TRIAL.
TRIAL. NONE OF THIS IS NEW.
WHAT CHOICE DID SHE HAVE?
PAM IS CAUGHT ON TAPE, NOW SHE
HAS THOUGH EXPLAIN THE TAPES.
SHE COMES UP WITH -- CONDOCK THE
STORY I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET
MORE INFORMATION FROM CECILIA SO
I CAN GO TO THE POLICE WITH IT.
SHE WAS THERE HAVING AN AFFAIR
WITH BILLY FLYNN SHE NEVER TOLD
POLICE ABOUT.
POLICE ABOUT. AFTER BILLY FLYNN WAS ARRESTED
AND CAME TO HER, DO YOU HAVE ANY
REASON WHY THIS GUY MIGHT KILL
YOUR HUSBAND, DOES SHE GO AND
SAY I WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR TO
HIM?
HIM? NO.
NO. WHAT DOES SHE SAY ON TAPES, I
WILL ONLY ADMIT THE AFFAIR IF I
HAVE TO.
HAVE TO. IF I GO TO TRIAL AND ME WITH MY
EDUCATION AND PROFESSIONAL
EDUCATION, WHO ARE THEY GOING TO
BELIEVE, ME OR SOME DUMB
16-YEAR-OLD KID.
16-YEAR-OLD KID. IT’S ALL ON THE TAPE.
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT PAM SAID AT
TRIAL.
TRIAL. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE CROSS
EXAMINED HER ABOUT FOR THREE TO
FOUR HOURS AND THE JURY DIDN’T
BUY IT AND THEY SHOULDN’T HAVE
BOUGHT IT.
BOUGHT IT. >> TWO QUESTIONS WE’RE GOING TO
PICK UP ON.
NUMBER ONE, SOME POSSIBLE NEW
EVIDENCE UNCOVERED IN THE CASE.
NUMBER TWO, WHAT DOES PAM SMART
NEW SERIESS, PAMELA SMART, AN AMERICAN MYSTERY" EXPLORES A
MURDER MYSTERY.
MURDER MYSTERY. OUR GUEST DIANE DIMOND, VERSER
PAUL MAGGIOTTO AND TOM.
WHAT IS THE EVIDENCE YOU
DISCOVERED IN THE CASE?
>> SEVERAL WEEKS AGO I GOT A
CALL.
CALL. THE CALL IS FROM A WITNESS.
BASICALLY THE DAY BEFORE THE
MURDER THEY WENT TO PICK UP THE
GRANDMOTHER’S CAR, RIGHT?
>> THE TEENAGERS.
>> THE TEENAGERS, CORRECT.
>> AND PAM.
>> AND PAM.
TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, THEY
WENT TO THIS PARTY WHERE PAM
WASN’T THERE, BY THE WAY.
THEY WERE DOING DRUGS AND STUFF.
THE PERSON ASKED BILLY, DOES PAM
KNOW YOU’RE DOING THIS, AND SHE
SAID, NO, SHE DOESN’T.
>> THE MURDER CONSPIRACY.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> BILLY SAID THE NIGHT BEFORE
THE MURDER PAM DIDN’T KNOW HE
WAS ABOUT TO DO THIS.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. HE WANTED PAM FOR HIMSELF.
HE WAS IN LOVE.
EVERYONE MAKES HIM OUT TO BE THE
VICTIM.
VICTIM. HE’S NOT THE VICTIM.
THIS GUY IS STREET SMART, YOU
KNOW.
KNOW. PAM WAS NAIVE, RIGHT?
HER HUSBAND HAD JUST CHEATED ON
HER, RIGHT?
HER, RIGHT? HER SELF-ESTEEM IS DOWN AT THE
BOTTOM, RIGHT?
BOTTOM, RIGHT? >> I’M NOT SURE OUR AUDIENCE IS
BUYING THAT BUT I SEE WHERE
YOU’RE GOING WITH IT.
>> WHAT STRIKES ME, AT THE
TRIAL, AND I’VE READ EVERY PAGE
OF THE TRANSCRIPT OF THAT TRIAL,
ALL THE BOYS TESTIFIED THEY DID
WHAT THEY DID TO PROMOTE THIS
MURDER, STAY IN THE CAR AND WAIT
OR GO IN WITH BILLY, BECAUSE
BILLY TOLD THEM TO, BECAUSE
BILLY TOLD THEM TO.
I SAW PAM JUST LAST WEEK, WENT
UP TO BEDFORD STATE PRISON.
SHE TOLD ME, SHE SAID, YOU KNOW,
I’M A SMART PERSON.
SHE’S WORKING ON HER THIRD
MASTER’S DEGREE IN PRISON.
>> SHE’S GOT A LOT OF TIME ON
HER HANDS.
HER HANDS. >> WELL, SHE’S PRETTY BUSY IN
PRISON.
PRISON. BUT SHE SAID, I’M A SMART WOMAN.
WOULD A SMART PERSON ASK A 15,
16-YEAR-OLD TO GO KILL HER
HUSBAND WITH HIS FRIENDS?
>> THEY SAY YES.
>> THEN SHE SAID -- WELL,
ANYWAY, YOU GET MY DRIFT.
>> DID YOU ASK HER WHAT SHE
THOUGHT ABOUT NICOLE KIDMAN,
WHICH WAS AN AMAZING MOVIE, "TO
DIE FOR."
DIE FOR." >> I DID.
>> I DID. RIGHT AFTER THAT MOVIE CAME OUT,
I USED TO WORK FOR ARE A TV SHOW
AND THEY SENT ME TO INTERVIEW
HER.
HER. I SAID, HEY, SHE’S PLAYING YOU
AS A WEATHER GIRL, SORT OF
FLIPPY AND HAPPY, AND A DARK
COMEDY.
COMEDY. SHE SAID, I FAIL TO SEE THE
HUMOR.
HUMOR. MY HUSBAND IS DEAD AND I’M IN
PRISON FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.
SO SHE DIDN’T TAKE KINDLY TO IT.
IT WASN’T, STHEPDHE SAID, AN ACC
DEPICTION OF HER PERSONALITY OR
LIFE.
LIFE. >> YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT
THE KID WHO MURDERS HIS PARENTS
AND BEGS FOR MERCY ON GROUNDS
HE’S AN ORPHAN, THAT’S NOT GOING
TO GO VERY FAR.
CAN I ASK YOU, QUICKLY, DOES
THIS WOMAN WANT A SHOT AT
PAROLE?
PAROLE? THAT’S WHAT SHE WANTS.
>> IT’S NOT PAROLE.
IT WOULD BE BY THE GOVERNOR PER
SHARE.
SHARE. >> OTHERS HAVE DONE THAT.
>> THERE’S ALWAYS A FIRST.
>> DO I THINK PEOPLE CONVICTED
OF FIRST DEGREE MURDER HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR PAROLE,
PARDONS, SURE.
PARDONS, SURE. WHY NOT.
WHY NOT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHO
MIGHT BE DESERVING OF A PARDON,
THERE’S 85 PEOPLE SERVING LIFE
WITHOUT PAROLE IN NEW HAMPSHIRE
RIGHT NOW, PAM IS PRETTY FAR
DOWN THE LIST.
THAT’S BECAUSE SHE HAS NEVER
ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT
SHE DOES.
SHE DOES. UNTIL SHE DOES, SHE’LL NEVER GET
PARDONED.
PARDONED. >> YOU’LL SEE IT ALL IN PAMELA