>>>
>>> WELL,
>>> WELL, WELCOME BACK. CHARLIZE THERE IS NEW MOVIE
TULLY IS GETTING SOME
BACKLASH.
BACKLASH.
BACKLASH. SHE MET -- IN THE MOVIE, SHE
PLAYS A MOTHER OF THREE WITH
POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION.
POSTPARTUM DEPRESSION. SOME ARE UPSET ABOUT THE WAY
THIS WAS PORTRAYED IN THE FILM.
THEY SAY HER CHARACTER DIDN'T
GO THROUGH THE SAME THINGS WILL
MOMS WITH THIS CONDITION GO
THROUGH.
THROUGH.
THROUGH. SO, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE A
GREAT DISCUSSION WELCOME.
>> IT HAS BEEN AN EXCITING
MORMON -- IT HAS BEEN AN
EXCITING MORNING.
EXCITING MORNING. THIS IS REALLY SUCH AN
IMPORTANT TOPIC.
IMPORTANT TOPIC. I THINK THE CRITICS ARE BEING
REALLY HARSH, BECAUSE THIS IS
SO REAL FOR SO MANY WOMEN.
FIRST, LET ME ASK YOU MOMS, DID
YOU EXPERIENCE THIS?
>> NO, NOT IN A DIAGNOSABLE
FASHION, BUT I THINK EVERYBODY
HAS A UNIQUE SITUATION.
EVERYBODY GOES THROUGH
SOMETHING AFTER THEY HAVE SUCH
AN ALTERING LIFE CHANGE.
>> SO, I JUST HAD A BABY FIVE
MONTHS AGO, BUT I THINK
EVERYONE HAS A DIFFERENT
EXPERIENCE, AND THERE IS SOME
LEVEL OF ANXIETY THAT I THINK
EVERYONE GOES
>>
>> WHAT
>> WHAT IS BEING PORTRAYED IS POSTPARTUM PSYCHOSIS.
POSTPARTUM PSYCHOSIS. YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL IN THE
MOVIE WHETHER THE NURSES IN HER
IMAGINATION OR NOT AND
POSTPARTUM PSYCHOSIS IS VERY
DIFFERENT FROM POSTPARTUM
DEPRESSION.
DEPRESSION. RIGHT AFTER THE BABY, SOME
WOMEN HAVE THE BABY BLUES.
THAT FADES IN TIME, AND IF IT
GOES INTO A MORE HEAVY
DEPRESSION, THAT MEANS THAT YOU
NEED TO REALLY CONTACT YOUR
DOCTOR AND SEE IF SOMETHING
NEEDS TO BE DONE TO
ANTIDEPRESSANTS CAN HELP.
EVEN WITH NURSING MOTHERS.
THAT IS A STRESSFUL TIME FOR
SOME MOMS.
SOME MOMS. WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THE SEVERE
AREA OF POSTPARTUM PSYCHOSIS,
IT IS A VERY DIFFICULT
SITUATION, AND IT USUALLY
HAPPENS WITH WOMEN WHO HAVE HAD
BIPOLAR DISORDER OR
SCHIZOPHRENIA, BECAUSE IT MOVES
INTO HALLUCINATIONS, DELUSIONAL
THINKING, MOOD SWINGS, AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY, THOUGHTS ABOUT
SELF HARM OR HARMING A BABY.
>> WHEN YOU SAID PSYCHOSIS, I
WAS ABOUT TO ASK YOU IS THAT
WORSE THAN DEPRESSION?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ABSOLUTELY. >> THAT IS AT THE WORST END OF
THE SPECTRUM AS FAR AS WHAT A
PERSON'S EXPERIENCE IS MENTALLY
AND PHYSICALLY.
AND PHYSICALLY. >> YEAH.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU
TOUCHED ON A LITTLE BIT,
STIGMAS SURROUNDING IT.
WHEN YOU DID HAVE THOSE
FEELINGS OF BEING TIRED OR
MAYBE HAVING THE BABY BLUES,
DID YOU REALLY TALK ABOUT IT?
>> WELL, I ACTUALLY HAD A VERY
UNIQUE EXPERIENCE.
UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. I HAD THE BIRTH OF MY FIRST SON
AND MY DAD DIED TWO MONTHS
LATER.
LATER.
LATER. I
LATER. I WAS IN A HOLE THAT I FELT
LIKE I COULDN'T GET OUT OF, BUT
I OFTEN SAY TO MOM'S LIKE HOW
ARE YOU DOING, BECAUSE NOBODY
EVER ASKS ABOUT THEM.
>> CARA ASKED HOW ARE YOU
DOING?
DOING?
DOING? NO
DOING? NO ONE ASKED ABOUT YOU.
NO ONE ASKED ME HOW I WAS.
THE DOCTORS DIDN'T EVEN ASK ME
WHEN SHE WENT TO HER DOCTOR.
SHE SAID I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO
ASK FOR HELP.
SHE SAYS I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO
ASK IF I NEEDED MEDICINE OR IF
THIS IS NORMAL.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO DO.
>> IF YOU'RE LUCKY ENOUGH TO GO
THROUGH IT WITH A PARTNER, YOUR
PARTNER IS ALSO AT A LOSS,
BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND
WHAT PHYSICALLY IS GOING ON, SO
THEY SEE IT, BUT THEY DON'T GET
IT.
IT.
IT. >>
IT. >> IN
IT. >> IN PARTICULAR, I SEE A LOT
OF WOMEN WHO GO THROUGH IVF TO
HAVE A BABY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF
DISAPPOINTMENT, AND THERE --
THEY FINALLY GET THE BABY, AND
THEY THINK IS THE BABY GOING TO
BE OKAY?
BE OKAY?
BE OKAY? THAT CRESCENDOS INTO A
DEPRESSION.
DEPRESSION. >> THAT IS VERY COMMON IN VERY
STRESSFUL.
STRESSFUL. >> I HAVEN'T SEEN THE MOVIE
YET.
YET.
YET. IT
YET. IT IS SO FRUSTRATING, BECAUSE
NOW WE ARE ALL CRITICS.
LET'S JUST START THE
CONVERSATION RATHER THAN PICK
ON WHERE IT WAS PORTRAYED
EXACTLY RIGHT.
EXACTLY RIGHT. DC COUPLES COMING IN WHO ARE
SAYING THIS IS REALLY
IMPACTFUL.
IMPACTFUL. >> YES, BECAUSE FATHERS ARE A
LITTLE BIT MORE INVOLVED
NOWADAYS WITH CHILDCARE AND
INFANT CARE.
INFANT CARE. MEN ACTUALLY HAVE A DIP IN
THEIR TESTOSTERONE, WHICH HAS
TO DO WITH THE WAY THEY FEEL
AND THEIR ENERGY, AND THEY ARE
VERY CONNECTED WITH BEING A
GOOD DAD WITH AN INFANT.
>> SO, YOU ARE NOT GETTING ANY
SLEEP, AND THERE IS A LOT OF
PRESSURE THERE IN BEING A NEW
PARENT.
PARENT.
PARENT. >> A TASK FORCE OF THE AMERICAN
COLLEGE OF OBSTETRICIANS AND
GYNECOLOGISTS RELEASED
GYNECOLOGISTS RELEASED RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING
RECOMMENDATIONS, INCLUDING DISCUSSING A PLAN FOR THE
POSTPARTUM.
POSTPARTUM. BEFORE YOU LEAVE THE HOSPITAL
AND A FOLLOW-UP VISIT WITH THE
FIRST THREE WEEKS AS OPPOSED TO
SIX.
SIX.
SIX. >>
SIX. >> DOES THAT REALLY WORK?
I HAVE A BABY, AND EVERYTHING
HITS THE FAN.
>> THERE WAS NO HOW ARE YOU,
MENTALLY.
MENTALLY.
MENTALLY. >> I LOVE MY DOCTOR GROUP, BUT
THE PRESSURE ALSO, THEY WERE
ALL OVER ME.
THAT ADDED SO MUCH STRESS WHAT
ARE YOU DOING WRONG?
I AM LIKE IT'S OKAY, I'M USING
FORMULA.
FORMULA.
FORMULA. THERE WAS ONE EXTRA THING THAT
I'M LIKE OKAY, I'M TRYING TO
BREAST-FEED.
BREAST-FEED. IT'S LIKE SERIOUSLY, GUYS,
ANOTHER LEVEL WHERE YOU FEEL
LIKE YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING
WRONG.
WRONG.
WRONG. >>
WRONG. >> I WOULD LIKE A COW IN A
PASTURE.
PASTURE.
PASTURE. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING THAT
WAS GOING RIGHT.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHY?
BECAUSE YOU DRANK YOUR CRAFT
BEER.
BEER.
BEER. >>
BEER. >> I HAD SO MANY FRIENDS THAT
DIDN'T NURSE, AND SO I DIDN'T
PUT THE PRESSURE ON MYSELF,
BECAUSE I HAD HEARD THEIR
STRUGGLES AND EMPATHIZED SO
MUCH WITH THEM.
>> I DID NOT NURSE.
I HAVE GOTTEN CRITICISM FOR
THAT FROM MULTIPLE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE ASK YOU THE CRAZIEST
THINGS WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A
BABY.
BABY.
BABY. I
BABY. I WILL SAY THERE IS PRESSURE
THAT COMES FROM THAT.
MY DOCTOR WAS AMAZING.
I THINK THAT IS A WHOLE ANOTHER
ADDED LEVEL THAT SOCIETY PUTS
ON YOU.
ON YOU.
ON YOU. IN SOME SITUATIONS, I WANT TO
SAY I AM NOT NURSING, BECAUSE
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FREAK OUT
AT ME.
AT ME.
AT ME. >>
AT ME. >> THAT IS A PART OF THE
COMPOSITE, BECAUSE THERE IS A
CONCERN IF YOU CAN'T NURSE
REALLY WELL, ARE YOU REALLY
BONDING WITH THE BABY?
THEN, YOU GET SO CRITICAL.
YOU KEEP THIS TO YOURSELF.
A LOT OF MOTHERS WILL HAVE
NEGATIVE FEELINGS AND
OVERWHELMING FEELINGS ABOUT THE
BABY, AND THEY KEEP IT TO
THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. THAT IS VERY DANGEROUS.
>> MAYBE I TOLD YOU THIS,
BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE IF YOU
LOOK YOUR BABY AND YOU ARE NOT
IN LOVE WITH IT --
>> CARA SENT ME THE MOST
AMAZING TEXT MESSAGES RIGHT
AFTER I HAD LILY.
>> I WAS LIKE I JUST MET YOU.
>> AND NOW, I AM GOING HOME
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU. >> IT TAKES SOME TIME FOR YOU
TO GROW INTO THAT.
YOU DIDN'T ALWAYS LOVE YOUR
PARTNER THE FIRST DATE YOU HAD.
>> JEFF TO TALK ABOUT THESE
THINGS, BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK IT
IS SHAMEFUL.
IS SHAMEFUL. >> MAYBE YOU ARE LITERALLY
EXHAUSTED, WE UNDERSTAND.
>> WHAT ADVICE WOULD YOU GIVE?
>> I WOULD SAY JUST GIVE
YOURSELF A BREAK, RIGHT?
YOU HAVE JUST GROWN A HUMAN.
YOU HAVE BROUGHT A BABY INTO
YOUR HOME, GIVE YOURSELF A
BREAK.
BREAK.
BREAK. YOU ARE MEETING EACH OTHER FOR
THE FIRST TIME.
YOU ARE LEARNING HOW TO BE A
PARENT, AND THE BABY IS
LEARNING HOW TO BE A BABY AND
BE ALIVE.
BE ALIVE.
BE ALIVE. >> NONE OF US KNOW WHAT WE ARE
DOING IN THESE SITUATIONS, SO
GIVE YOURSELF A BREAK, AND CALL
A FRIEND IF YOU NEED IT.
>> I AM STILL ONLY 5 1/2 MONTHS
IN.
IN.
IN. I
IN. I THINK GIVE A BREAK IS
PROBABLY THE BEST ADVICE.
I THINK DON'T JUDGE YOURSELF.
I HAVE NOT LOST THIS POOCH YET,
BUT I AM OKAY.
THAT'S THE HARD THING, RIGHT?
FEELING LIKE YOU ARE BEING
JUDGED.
JUDGED.
JUDGED. DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHER
PEOPLE THINK.
PEOPLE THINK. >> JUDGE FREE ZONE.
>> SURROUND YOURSELF WITH
PEOPLE THAT ARE THERE TO JUST
SUPPORT YOU.
SUPPORT YOU. I WAS A ON THE FLIPSIDE, I DID
HAVE FRIENDS THAT WOULD LIKE I
WAS IMMEDIATELY LOVE, AND THEY
WERE GENUINE ABOUT IT, AND THEY
HAD THAT MOMENT WITH THEIR KID,
AND THAT IS AWESOME.
>> PAT, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY?
>> I WOULD SAY IF YOU FEEL IN
THE MIDST OF WHAT YOU'RE GOING
THROUGH THAT THERE IS SOME
CONCERN AND YOU ARE NOT
FUNCTIONING, REACH OUT AND GET
HELP.
HELP.
HELP. THERAPY WORKS WONDERFULLY.
>> CAN ABSOLUTELY GET YOU BACK
TO A GOOD PLACE
>> I AM SO LUCKY.
>> WE COULD'VE DONE AN HOUR AND
A HALF ON THIS.
>> HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY TO ALL OF
YOU MOMS OUT THERE.
WE HOPE IF