>> Bill: CASEY, THANK YOU.
JULIE.
>> Julie: JOINING ME NOW IS
DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR FROM
TEXAS.
HE VISITED WITH PRESIDENT BIDEN
IN UVALDE.
THANK YOU FOR TALKING TO US.
WHERE WOULD YOU BEGIN IF YOU
HAD TO PINPOINT THE FIRST
MISTAKE HERE AND WHAT KIND OF
ACCOUNTABILITY WOULD YOU LIKE
TO SEE IN
>> SO I THINK THE FIRST MISTAKE
PROBABLY CAME AT 12:03.
THAT WAS THE TIME WHEN WE HAD
19 OFFICERS.
EVEN BEFORE THEN QUITE FRANKLY.
YOU HAD SEVEN IN THE HALLWAY.
THOSE SEVEN THAT WERE THE FIRST
ONES TO ARRIVE THAT CONSISTED
OF LOCAL POLICE AS WELL AS
SCHOOL DISTRICT POLICE WERE
BASICALLY REPELLED.
THAT DOESN’T MATTER.
THE PROTOCOL SAYS YOU GO IN
REGARDLESS.
YOU HAD 911 CALLS COMING IN
FROM CHILDREN SAYING WE’RE
STILL ALIVE.
WE’RE INSIDE.
PLEASE COME IN.
AT 12:03 WE HAVE 19 OFFICERS IN
THAT HALLWAY.
AT THAT POINT I WANT TO KNOW
WHICH OFFICERS FROM WHICH
AGENCIES WERE THERE?
IT IS EASY FOR PEOPLE TO POINT
FINGERS AT THE LOCAL SCHOOL
DISTRICT POLICE CHIEF AND
CERTAINLY HE WAS -- HE DID
COMPLETELY THE WRONG THING HERE
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THESE
OTHER AGENCIES AS WELL THAT HAD
HIGHER FIRE POWER, HIGHER
MANPOWER.
AT WHAT POINT DOES IT NOT
BECOME THEIR TURN TO TAKE
OPERATION CONTROL?
THAT MIGHT NOT BE THE POLICY
NOW BUT GOING FORWARD INTO THE
FUTURE WE NEED TO BE LOOKING AT
THAT.
>> Julie: ABSOLUTELY.
YOU MET WITH A MOTHER, I
UNDERSTAND, WHOSE DAUGHTER
MIGHT HAVE LIVED IF SHE HAD
MEDICAL ATTENTION SOONER.
CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THAT?
>> YEAH, THESE DAYS HAVE BEEN
SO DIFFICULT OUT HERE TALKING
TO FAMILIES AND HAVING THESE
DISCUSSIONS.
I TRY TO BE VERY SPEBTFUL OF
THEM.
THIS LITTLE GIRL WAS SHOT
THROUGH THE BACK POSSIBLY
KIDNEY.
ONE ROUND.
MOST HAD A DIFFERENT FATE.
ONE ROUND FOR THIS LITTLE GIRL
LIKELY BLED OUT.
HAD WE HAD LAW ENFORCEMENT
GOING IN EARLIER THIS GIRL
MIGHT HAVE LIVED.
SO WE REALLY HAVE TO EVALUATE
THIS THING.
THERE MUST BE ACCOUNTABILITY AT
EVERY LEVEL.
IT IS NOT RIGHT TO JUST PUT IT
ON THE LOCAL AGENCY WITH SIX
COPS.
THERE WAS THE NEXT AGENCY THAT
HAD 40 COPS, THE NEXT AGENCY
HAD THOUSANDS OF COPS.
NOT HERE BUT ALONG THE BORDER.
THEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
COME IN AND WAITED A LITTLE BIT.
THEN FINALLY ONE OF THEM SAYS
WE ARE GOING IN.
AND SO AT WHAT POINT SHOULD NOT
HAVE THE FIRST GUY SAID TO HELL
WITH IT WE’RE GOING IN?
THAT’S WHAT POLICY DICTATES.
HE DIDN’T HAPPEN HERE, IT JUST
DIDN’T HAPPEN.
>> Julie: THE SUSPECT IS DEAD.
THE PARENTS WANT JUSTICE.
THEY WILL NEVER GET JUSTICE.
THIS SUSPECT AND MURDERER WILL
NEVER PAY FOR WHAT HE DID.
WHO IS HELD ACCOUNTABLE AND
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE TO YOU?
>> FAR BEYOND THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT CIRCLE.
SESSION AFTER SESSION WE’VE
TALKED ABOUT THESE MASS
SHOOTINGS.
GREG ABBOTT HAS FIVE OR SIX
UNDER HIS BELT AND DONE NOTHING.
HE LIKES TO TALK ABOUT THE
SCHOOL HARDENING WE DID IN 2019.
A LOT OF GOOD IT DID THESE KIDS
OVER HERE.
SESSION AFTER SESSION WE GO
BACK AND GIVE GREATER
ACCESSIBILITY TO MILITARIZED
WEAPONS TO PEOPLE, YOUNG PEOPLE.
YOU HAVE TO BE 21 TO BUY A 9
MILLIMETER HANDGUN AND 18 TO
BUY AN AR-15.
WHEN I TALK TO REPUBLICAN
CONSTITUENTS THEY SAY IT MAKES
NO SENSE.
AROUND THE UNITED STATES PEOPLE
TELL YOU IT IS CRAZY.
AND SO WE CAN HAVE WAITING
PERIODS, WE CAN HAVE RED FLAG
LAWS, WE HAVE TO CREATE CHANGE
NOW.
YOU ASK WHERE ACCOUNTABILITY
BEGINS IN TEXAS?
IT BEGINS WITH GREG ABBOTT AND
WITH THE REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED
HOUSE.
REPUBLICAN-CONTROLLED SENATE
AND EVERY LEADER IN THE
LEADERSHIP LEVEL.
IT IS THE ABSENCE OF LEADERSHIP
TO HAVE A PROBLEM STARING YOU
IN THE FACE AND DO NOTHING.
>> Julie: SADLY THERE ARE RED
FLAG LAWS AND LIKE IN THE STATE
OF NEW YORK WITH THE BUFFALO
SCHOOL SHOOTING THAT DON’T
PREVENT THESE SHOOTINGS FROM
OCCURRING.
RED FLAG LAWS NEED TO BE IRON
CLAD.
UNFORTUNATELY THEY DON’T ALWAYS
SAVE LIVES.
WE MUST DO BETTER.