Hi everybody welcome to AdoramaTV
I'm Mark Wallace hanging out here with Doug McKinlay.
We're at Trafalgar pub here in
London, England and today we're going to
have a discussion
about the differences
between our styles of gear. I'm shooting
with a Rangefinder you're shooting with
the DSLR but I might have to mention
that you also have Leica rangefinders
and I also have
a lot of DSLR cameras so
why would you choose that instead of
this or vice versa and so that's we're
going to do today. We're going to sort of
dive in, so let's start with you. You do
all kinds of things, why are you shooting
with this even though you own
an M7 and an M8?
Well there's a couple of couple of reasons,
primarily with both the Leica's
when I use a Leica, I use it as a sort
of a backup camera and I usually have it in
my pocket, especially at night,
when I want to put the heavy gear away,
but I still have a camera with me.
My eyesight isn't as great
as it used to be so with
the autofocus DSLRs
I think in a really tight,
focus heavy situation,
I want the backup
of the autofocus in the cameras.
I also like the versatility with
the DSLRs for certain things.
I can use big lenses, I can go up to, if I'm shooting
long distance let's say;
surfing shots or something?
I can go up to a 500mm lens,
so I think in terms of a little bit of
versatility I'm getting more of that out
of the DSLR than I am with a Leica.
Now the downside of course is they are
bigger and a lot heavier.
Yeah it's true.
I'm the opposite so,
right now I'm traveling around the world
on a motorcycle and so I have limitations
as far as space. I have security concerns so
I don't want to walk around
in a lot of cities with the camera,
that looks like it's a pro camera
even though this is better quality. Yes. Sorry.
This is better.
I'm going to get comments
but yeah this is better than this.
It just looks like a point-and-shoot camera
it's a very, very small camera and then
my lenses, so this is a, this is a 135mm.
Right this is a 200mm so you can see that
there's just a massive difference
and you know this weighs about the same
amount as this actually it weighs a little
bit more, so when
space is a concern
and weight is a concern then also being
able to do a lot of street photography
shooting you know portraits on the
street, that kind of stuff, I want to be
able to interact somebody and get really
close to sure this is just not that intimidating.
There's a bunch of other
other things about that but that's those
are some of the reasons why Leica.
Sure now we did talk earlier
about the costs in a different video, now
initially this looks like a lot of money.
It's about what's dollars about
$6000, $5000?
I think it's about
$6500 for the body,
and then the lenses are where you're
going to spend the money on, because Leica
lenses can go for anywhere about two
grand up to about six or eight grand.
They're seriously expensive more even.
Or more, but the quality is
fantastic there is, bar none the
best 35mm lenses on the market
today, but in terms of the DSLR okay this
is only going to cost say in pounds about
£1,600 brand new so about I guess
in dollars about $2000
maybe? Something like that. Yeah, so
it's not still not cheap. I'm not saying
they're cheap, but they're a lot
cheaper than this,
so you have to sort of
look at both formats and figure out for
yourself, what you want in terms of what
you give up.
Both formats;
there's, you're going to give
something up no matter
which one you choose.
For me it's versatility with this stuff
as my main camera set
and for Mark its compact ability.
Well yes that's true and the nice thing
about the new Leica's, these are Rangefinders
in addition to being Mirrorless.
Can you explain that about the Rangefinders?
Yeah, because a lot of people think
well this is a mirrorless camera the
Sony is a mirrorless camera Fuji's
mirrorless, this is a rangefinder which
is not the same thing,
so when you look
through this you're not looking through
the lens, you're looking through a
viewfinder and then when you focus
you're trying to determine how far away
the range,
and the M stands for a word
I can't pronounce; Messsucher
and what it means is that Leica
invented the system that combines the
rangefinder with the viewfinder.
It's all in one thing and so what you see
when you look through here, is you see
the frame lines, the bright lines,
the things that are going to be inside
the frame,
but then you see outside of that.
Right. And so it allows you to do some
things that you can't do with this,
unless you're shooting with both eyes
open and that's sort of tricky but I can
see something approaching my frame,
wait till it gets there
and so I'm sort of
composing before it ever happens.
So you're waiting for them to come in, you see them,
then they cross those lines.
And then you
know it's in yeah. Right okay. And so you're
sort of waiting for that decisive moment
where the action and the composition
all come into alignment for that shot
so that's something
that you can get with this,
that you don't get with this. Okay.
The other thing that you can do with this
if you really like a mirrorless camera,
is I have an electronic viewfinder
that you can just throw on there.
So I can pop this on and now, guess what,
now I have a mirrorless camera
and the nice thing about it,
is with this I can get an adapter
for this camera. I can use any of
the lenses that you have here.
Wow!
So I can use all my Leica lenses.
I can use all my Canon lenses.
I can use all my Nikon lenses.
I can use R lenses from the older system.
Right okay, so it's very versatile.
Yeah, yeah I don't use it in that way
but some people do.
I love this this.
Yeah you can look down.
So you can look down,
which is again, it's one of those little
tricks when you're in a market or
something and it allows you to have,
you can do it sideways you know,
I've done this before with mine, where you,
you're looking at, I'm looking at Mark
as my subject and I might be looking at the
camera here and I might be looking at
him like this. Yeah. And the person Mark
isn't really seeing what I'm doing so
you're being a little sneaky right?
Sure, this is a sneaky camera. Yeah.
And there's a new M10 that I can't wait
because it's got an improved electronic
viewfinder. It's got a larger field of
view. It's got lower noise, higher ISO,
a bunch of different things.
They're great cameras. I can't wait.
With my Canon cameras
or Nikon's the same kind of
camera as the Nikon's,
I think I can get just as
sneaky a picture as Mark can,
with my smaller lens.
Now one of things
we have talked about in the past is that,
it's very difficult no matter what
camera format you're using,
if you're in a country
somewhere in the world where
if you're Caucasian, European orientation?
It doesn't matter what system you've got,
you're still going to stand out like a
sore thumb.
If you're a big tall white guy
with blue eyes you stick out.
That's what you're trying to say?
Exactly yeah, so I find
because of that situation
that it wouldn't matter if I've got
a Leica or if I've got a Canon,
I'm still going to stand out so therefore,
I have to use my size and my color to my
advantage, which is usually curiosity.
So people are curious no matter where you
are in the world so I allow that
curiosity sort of build and then,
I slowly start taking my pictures. It's not
often I just jump right in and go bang,
bang, bang, bang maybe some news stuff but
generally not so much that so, I find in those
situations, it doesn't matter if I've got
a Leica or if I've got a Canon and I like
the versatility of the DSLR more than
I like the versatility of the Leica.
Yeah, this is much slower, much more
intentional. There's no autofocus,
you're just really. Sure.
You have to be very present.
It is, what's the frame rate?
I don't know, I almost never shoot?
It's about three is'nt it?
It's about, let's see so we'll just put
this on, it's going to be black pictures
but let's just see. Oh I had it on, too late.
That is actually faster than I thought.
It's not bad, it's not bad,
but you know the Canon's
especially the newer Canon's;
the 5D Mark IV and the 1DX Mark II,
the 1DX is a machine.
It shoots 12 frames per second in raw
that's quick. Right. So you know,
you are, if you're shooting sports
definitely have
to go with the DSLR because you're going
have the versatility of the big lenses and that
really great motor drive.
Yeah this is not for things
that move. No definitely. It just
really isn't. Yeah the other thing
that I really love about this
is the battery life. Okay.
Because you're not using
electronic viewfinder most of the time,
you're not reviewing things on the LCD,
that much, the battery on this,
I can go weeks, weeks!
Right okay.
So not like days or hours
we're talking weeks.
I get a couple of days.
Heavy shooting in two days maybe
three? So, so there you have it. Those are
the two formats we're looking at
the point and shoot and the
DSLR now it's up to you the viewers to
choose the one you like the best
and spend your money,
so thanks for watching,
I'm Doug McKinlay with Mark Wallace for
AdoramaTV.