Hugo: Hello. This is Fake News, Fact and Fiction from BBC
Learning English. I'm Hugo.
Sam: And I'm Sam.
Hugo: And as you see we're not in the studio today. Like in
many parts of the world we're practising social distancing
and working from home. How are you doing there, Sam?
Sam: I'm doing OK. Thank you Hugo, but it is definitely
a strange world that we're living in right now, isn't it?
And I don't know if you remember but in our first
programme we talked about stories going viral, so
spreading around the internet really quickly and well now,
what we have is a real virus that has gone viral.
Hugo: Indeed. And that is going to be the focus of today's
programme. This pandemic has seen a large amount of fake
news attached to it. And as we sit at home browsing the
internet we may have come across many different stories
and theories of the causes of the virus or possible cures. So
today we're looking at fake news in the era of Covid-19.
But before we get to that Sam, do you have some vocabulary for us?
Sam: Yes I do. So today I'm focusing on some useful
vocabulary you might use if you think that what you've seen
online is not true.
Red flags are often used as a warning sign. In fact in
Britain when motor cars were first used on the streets the
law said that you had to have someone walking in front of the
vehicle carrying a red flag to warn other road users. These
days if a piece of information or a social media post
'raises a red flag' it means you are suspicious that it
might be fake news.
There are many red flags to watch out for. For example a
post that says something like 'the media doesn't want you to
know this' or maybe it's a meme or a quote that claims that a
politician you don't like has said or done something
terrible. These posts might be easy to share or they might
even say 'you must share this!' or 'share this if you agree'.
Those are some examples of red flags that could make you doubt
how true the information is.
We all like to share things and we all like it when things we
share are liked. But before you hit that share button it's a
good idea to fact-check the information the
verb fact-check, first used in the 1970s, simply means to
check the facts to confirm that the information is true.
There are quite a few fact- checking websites which can
help you to verify, prove, or debunk, disprove,
the information. Debunk, a verb from the 1920s, means to prove
or demonstrate that something is not true that it is
completely false. So fact- checking can help you to debunk
false claims made on social media.
Now you might be wondering, as there is a word debunk, is
there a word bunk? Well yes there is but it's not a verb
it's a noun. Bunk and also bunkum are words that mean
nonsense. Interestingly they are political in origin and
come from the county of Buncombe in the United States. This
county was represented by a politician who talked a lot
without saying anything important. So he talked bunkum.
Now back to the studio.
Hugo: Very interesting Sam, it certainly wasn't bunkum but
there was a piece of fake news there wasn't there? 'Back to
the studio'?
Sam: Yes, well spotted. I did record that section before I
knew that we would be filming from home for this episode so I
hope you will forgive me for that.
Hugo: Of course, now this pandemic has been dominating
the news for a long time now and there are many legitimate
areas of discussion to do with restrictions of movement,
testing, treatments and the economy.
Sam: But we've also seen a lot of different theories about the
virus which are not supported by any evidence but which many
people have still shared . Some of these are what are known as
conspiracy theories.
Hugo: And examples of conspiracy theories are that
the earth is flat or that the moon landings were fake and
even though these theories are comprehensively debunked some
people still strongly believe them. To find out more
about conspiracy theories we spoke to Professor Joe
Uscinski. He's an associate professor of political science
at the University of Miami and the author of the book
'Conspiracy Theories, a Primer'. We asked him first to
define the term conspiracy theory and why people
believe them.
A conspiracy theory is an allegation or an idea that a
small group of powerful people are working in secret to effect
an event or circumstance in a way that benefits them and
harms the common good. And further this theory hasn't been
confirmed by the people we would look to to confirm such
events. There is nothing new about conspiracy theories and
you can find them if you look through almost any historical
document.
So for example the United States Declaration of
Independence has a few paragraphs about politics. But
then once you read beneath that, it's largely a
list of conspiracy theories about the king of England. So
they exist amongst all people at all times. They're very much
a human constant. People like to have their ideas make sense
when in combination with each other. So in order for someone
to adopt a conspiracy theory that theory has to match with
what they already believe.
So for example if you really like President Obama, you're
probably not going to think that he faked his birth
certificate to illegally become president. If you really like
President Bush, you're not going to buy the theory that he
blew up the Twin Towers on 9/11.
So people's conspiracy theories have to match their underlying
world views that they already carry with them so that's why
people's conspiracy theories tend to match their political
persuasion whether they're liberal or conservative and
they have to match their other world views too.
So for that reason it's actually more difficult to
convince people of conspiracy theories than you might think.
Hugo: So we only really buy into a conspiracy theory if
it's in line with what we already think about the world.
Sam: Yes and that ties in with a lot of the fake news research
doesn't it? So people will share things they believe to be
true or want to be true because the ideas match with their own
political or ideological views.
I'd also like to mention the phrase 'buy' or 'buy into'
which he and you Hugo just used. So these both mean to
believe or accept that something is true and you can
use the phrase 'I don't buy it' if you are not convinced that
something is true. So for example, I heard somewhere
that eating lemons can cure coronavirus but I don't buy it.
Hugo: Absolutely. Now let's take a trip around the world.
We spoke to a number of our BBC colleagues across the globe to
find out what kind of fake news and conspiracy theories related
to Covid-19 have been shared on different continents and
apologies in advance for the quality of the line in some cases
Here in Afghanistan at the beginning of the Covid-19
crisis a mullah in the west off the country, in Herat,
compared the number of fatalities in Muslim countries
with the number of deaths in Western countries and after
that said that these numbers showed us the Covid-19 and
coronavirus does not kill Muslims. But he was absolutely
wrong. Nowadays we see the number of deaths in Muslim
countries and here in Afghanistan is rising day by day.
We have received a video and some content with some links
to internet, to some documents and so on, saying that the
virus has been created by U.S. scientists who have helped
Chinese scientists in Wuhan.
But, less than two weeks later we have received another video
and other video in the same line, on the same topic
saying that the virus has been created by Chinese helped by
French scientists. But what was worse is that it's roughly the
same images. The same images that they're giving as evidence
of the of fraud. This shows clearly that it's a fake.
Here in Brazil there are a lot of messages on WhatsApp and
other social media showing photos and videos of people
opening up coffins in cemeteries and showing them
full of stones. And they use this to support the conspiracy
theory that people are like, increasing the number of deaths
artificially just to create problems to our president,
you know.
There are a lot of these messages with these images to
support this idea that this situation is created to, to
hurt him politically. But these images are from like a case two
years ago in a city in Sao Paulo state, in the country,
that was like, a fraud, to insurance you know, like two
years ago. So yeah this is one of the things that are
happening here because of the pandemic.
Here in Hong Kong. I've heard many theories and you can
always find the most confidential intelligence in my
mother's mobile phone. There was a time I received an urgent
call from her only to find that she started reading a WhatsApp
message to me that was about how the U.S. military smuggled
coronavirus to Wuhan in order to destroy China's fast growing
economy. Of course that was absolutely groundless. However
the message was circulated widely in her social circle.
They are patriots who tend to believe any conspiracy theories
targeted at the U.S. authority. So even if I could convince her
that the information was fake this time she would only send
me another one next time. It's just unstoppable.
Hugo: So we hear there some typical examples of fake news
such as real photographs being deliberately mis-described and
examples of the kind of belief in conspiracy theories
Professor Uscinski was talking about.
Sam: Yes and we hear that people want to share these
theories because they have a negative view of a particular
country and are happy to believe almost anything
negative they hear about them.
I'd also like to pick out a particular word that Billy Chan
used. He used the word 'groundless' to refer to
some claims. 'Groundless' means not based on any evidence.
There's no proof for it.
Hugo: So there we had some insights from around the world.
Let's look closer to home now we're joined by our BBC
colleague Marianna Spring. Thanks for being with us. So if
you can just explain the work you do here at the BBC first.
Marianna: Yes, so I am the specialist disinformation
reporter which means that me along with a team at BBC
Trending who are part of the World Service and BBC
Monitoring and BBC Reality Check. And so we investigate
misleading posts as well as looking to tell the stories of
the people who fight and spread misinformation across the world.
Hugo: So you must be really really busy. Is it your feeling
that from what you've seen that disinformation, conspiracy
theories about Covid-19 are very different around the world?
Marianna: I think this pandemic is particularly interesting because
most of the misleading stuff we've seen has actually been
incredibly global. So there was one particularly viral case
that we tracked, a list of dodgy medical myths and tips,
and it hopped from the Facebook page of a man in the U.K. to
Facebook groups for Catholics living in India to the
Instagram account of a Ghanaian television presenter. So this
stuff really goes global and is attributed to a range of
different people, to hospitals, professors doctors in the US,
in Africa in Europe.
There's no limit to to who it can be who is alleged to have
started or spread the rumour. However. I do think there are
also specific instances of conspiracy theories or
misleading information that are specific to certain countries.
In other places, for instance in the U.K. there's been a
conspiracy theory relating to 5G suggesting that 5G
technology could perhaps be linked to coronavirus and the
spread of it. Those claims are totally false. But I think
because here in the U.K. we've been talking lots about 5G
technology and how it will be rolled out they've felt relevant.
And then in other countries across the world there are
specific home remedies or suggestions, for instance in
China or Vietnam, which have caused harm to people because
they believed they would prevent or cure coronavirus.
Hugo: And how can we in the mainstream media help
particularly in a time when we're being attacked, we're not
always trusted by people?
Marianna: I think there are two crucial things that we can do
to cover this area for different audiences. The first
one is not just to show our answers but to show the
workings. So when we reveal that something is false or
misleading we don't just put that assertion out there. We
also show how we reach that point. We show how we
investigated a specific post or specific claims and why they're
untrue. And I think that's a really good way of letting
people into how we operate and actually gaining their trust.
And secondly I think it's crucial to educate audiences in
how they can both spot and stop misleading stuff spreading
online. So there are certain red flags that we look out for
when we see something online that makes me think "Oh that
looks a bit suspicious". One of them will be these
introductions I've mentioned where a friend's brother's
cousin's uncle who's a doctor in New York has said something
or other. If we see an introduction like that it's
probably not right and you need to get to the bottom of who
that information has come from.
And also often posts will say 'you must read this - you must
share it' in capital letters or mismatched fonts and that can
also be another sign that something might be misleading.
Another key thing that we look out for are posts that play on
our emotions, often boring, often accurate information is
actually a bit more boring and it's the stuff that makes us
angry or or even happy that seems to give us answers we
were looking for that tends to be misleading.
So that sort of leads around to to our top tips for stopping
the spread which which are essentially that we just need
to pause and think and reflect before we share anything and
repeating that message to audiences is incredibly
important in terms of stopping
and tackling the spread of misleading stuff online.
Hugo: Fascinating. Marianna Spring. Thanks for
being with us.
Marianna: Thank you.
Hugo: So Sam, anything you'd like to pick up from what
Marianna just said?
Sam: Yes. She said lots and lots of interesting things but
I'll only focus on two. She used the word 'misleading' a
couple of times. So 'misleading' is basically
something that is trying to make you think a certain way
but isn't telling you all of the facts. The other word she
used was 'dodgy'. So this is basically something that is
suspicious. You can't really trust it. It's quite an
informal word and it's an adjective.
Hugo: Thanks Sam, well that's about all we have time for. But
before we go, Sam please remind us of today's key vocabulary.
Sam: Of course. So today we looked at the phrase 'to raise
a red flag'. This is used when something about a post or a
meme or an image for example makes you think that it might
not be true or that it might be fake news.
The verb 'to fact-check' is the process of checking the facts
so trying to find out if something is true or not.
If you 'debunk' something you show that it's not true.
And if you 'verify' something you show the opposite. So you
show that it is true.
If you 'buy' or 'buy into' something, it means that
you believe it. You think it's true.
If something is 'groundless', it has no evidence to support
it.
Then we looked at 'misleading' which is something that makes
you think a certain way even though maybe it doesn't present
all of the facts.
And something 'dodgy' is something that is suspicious,
maybe not trustworthy.
Hugo: Thank you very much Sam and thank you for watching this
special at home version of Fake News, Fact and Fiction.
Until next time, goodbye and stay safe.
Sam: Bye bye everyone.