It's easy to get caught up in the sizzle and the visual presentation of Dragon Ball Super specifically the Goku vs.
Jiren fight aesthetically speaking the fight looks like nothing
We've seen before with very vibrant and bright colors and a new level of power and speed
That hasn't really been explored too much in Dragonball prior to it
But when you look beneath the surface
with what the series has presented to us with the
Characters of Goku and Jiren and you find that there's a much deeper message being sent to us from these characters
Their different ideals, and their different motivations
it's actually quite similar to Goku and Vegeta in the sense that you have two characters who met as
Rivals because they had different philosophies on life
And the battle between Goku and jiren does indeed mirror this but in a different way
so I'd like to ask you to please sit back and
look a little bit deeper with me as I present to you the
philosophical battle between Goku and Jiren and
Hopefully by the end of this video what I hope to accomplish is that you'll look at what the real message that
Toriyama and the creator's behind Super are trying to tell us about these two characters and about life overall.
There's actually a lot of deep stuff going on and I want to get into it here next so sit back relax
Let's go into it together
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A few days ago, we received spoilers from Dragon Ball Super episode 131
and the community became... well split once again because this always happens.
People were upset at what those spoilers said about Super episode 131
And I'm gonna be discussing some of that on this video not too many details, but I'm going to be discussing some of it
So I'm letting you know now that there will be MINOR not major, MINOR spoilers for 130 and 131 here based
on what we know and based on the recent interview with the Dragon Ball Super
directors because we have to gather the information from the series and
From the directors and from what we know so I can kind of give you a clearer picture of what's going on.
Goku vs.Jiren is a battle of not just two very powerful mortals, but different philosophies on life
I've talked about this in my reviews but to go a little bit deeper
Goku and Jaron both have similar
Ideals when it comes to combat. They both want to get stronger and when you really scrape beneath the surface you come to understand that
Goku and Jiren's backstories are not entirely that different
But the way that their backstories shaped them as men is very different and that to me no matter
How you feel about Dragon Ball Super that is a very interesting?
Plot point they've put in here. Could the execution have been better?
Yeah, obviously it could have but it's still an interesting idea
So let's talk about it real quick so Jiren wants to be stronger because of what happened when he was a child
He found his parents dead by a mysterious assailant
And he wound up joining forces with a martial artist to become stronger and yet he also witnessed his own friends
Betray him and die in front of him
So Juran's entire motivation to get stronger is based on fear the fear of loss the fear of
pain from that loss
That's what drove him to become as strong as he is and the issue with that is that it's a stark contrast to Goku
Goku from the beginning has been a
character that has made friends of his enemies from the very beginning of Dragon Ball starting with
Yamcha his rival Krillin all the way through to Piccolo Jr. To Vegeta of course
that's the big one, Tien Shinhan. Most of Goku's friends started out as either rivals or enemies
and you could even go into Dragon Ball Super and add Beerus to that list too. He's gone from being Goku's rival to
uh kind of Goku's cheerleader, sorry, but it's true
I want you to go back and I want you to look at what happened when Toppo got eliminated
And how Jiren was so disappointed in him. Jiren's entire
philosophy is that he can't count on anybody because anybody who he's been able to count on in his whole life has let him down
Whether it be by circumstance or whether it be purposefully Jiren
Just doesn't feel like he can count on anyone and that to me is
Interesting to the character and that even though he's part of a team the pride troopers. He's very much a loner
He's very much alone. He feels alone
he feels like there's nobody who really can understand him and
Nobody who he can count on and vice versa because they count on him a lot
But he doesn't care about that. Now with Goku
He wants to get stronger because he is a pure martial artist
He wants to test his body out
Against you know the strongest in the universe whether it be mortals or God so obviously when Jiren first appeared
It's another chance for Goku to really test his limits
But the difference between the two is that Goku is not so much of a loner like people believe
Goku has always needed to count on his friends and vice-versa when it comes to the ultimate battles
He faced for example when freeze that killed Crillon
That was the motivation to push him to break his limits all the way back on Planet Namek
That's an example of Goku's friends triggering his anger in fact when Krillin died the first time by Tambourine and dragon ball
The same thing occurred. Now look at how the series progressed after that
Goku saw potential in his son and pushed him whether or not that was a good idea logical decision as a
Parent that remains to be discussed in a different video
But nonetheless it wasn't all about him at that point and at the end of Dragon Ball Z it took the help of
Millions of people donating energy to the genki-dama to kill majin buu Goku could not have done that on his own
It was the help of everyone
Everyone counts on him he counts on everyone this was talked about in detail in the recent episodes of Dragon Ball Super
Universe 7 is counting on Goku and Goku counts on them for support. That's a factual
Statement that's happened several times in the series
Yes, Goku has been selfish, but you can't say he doesn't care about his friends because he obviously does.
Now there's a little bit more insight that came out from a recent interview with Dragon Ball super producer Satoru Takami and
Series director Ryota Nakamura about Jiren and where I think this is going
In the interview, it's pretty much blatantly stated that Jiren is not evil which we all kind of knew. He's not evil, he's a superhero
But he says that Jiren carries a lot of baggage and doesn't live his life based on malice
but he does live his life based on fear and
That fear is what motivates him to become more powerful.
People don't want to address it because you think of somebody like Jiren as being fearless
But it's not that he's afraid of an opponent. He's afraid of being alone. He's afraid of
Feeling the way he felt when his parents died. Yes. It's kind of like Batman the comparisons have been made
Nakamura would go on to say...
READ THE SCREEN
So he's talking about how Goku and Jiren have different
Philosophical views on the world and on how they treat their friends and to me
That's where the whole line came from where 17 stated to Jiren in that
Oh, you know you just see them as things like he doesn't really see his friends is actually being friends
He doesn't get too close to the Pride troopers because again, it's that fear of loss
And this is something that people in the real world struggle with if you're traumatized by something when you're younger
You kind of become a loner an introvert
And I know a lot of you out there probably feel me on this one
I know you do because I have youtuber friends who go through this and I've gone through this before so it's real stuff. It's real
emotions that Jiren's feeling here, Nakamura would then go on to say...
READ THE SCREEN
Now you might be wondering
What does all of this have to do with the ending of Dragon Ball Super Tournament of Power
Or in like what happens at the end the answer is everything. I want you to think about this for a minute
Okay
We know based on the spoilers that Freiza that we'll be involved in the finale of this fight that he's gonna be in there somehow
Why is this so important? Because the difference between
Jiren and Goku and this has been a character trait of Goku's from day one which I mentioned earlier
Goku
Trusted Frieza to help them. They were in a pinch, all of his friends said why are you doing this with Frieza?
Why you're doing this with Frieza? This is a big mistake?
This is a bad move and Goku was the one who said let's bring him if something bad happens, but Jiren
And I'll take care of it, but we need him and at the end of the day Goku put aside their years actually
Decade-long rivalry with this guy Frieza where this dude went and killed so many innocent people including Goku's
Family including Goku's mother and father right just like jiren goku put that aside
for the betterment of the universe Jiren would never have done that and at the end of the day if
Frieza if we don't know for sure is the reason why Jiren is gonna lose or this thing ends up in a tie then
Goku was right all along did he mean to be right probably not. It was circumstance I
Don't think he purposely knew it was gonna end up like this
But at the end of the day Goku trusting Frieza the guy who killed his
Family and his best friend and all that history
They have may end up being the key to winning the tournament at the end of the day so when all is said and done
Jiren, may learn a valuable lesson about people counting on you
And you counting on them for support for love and like always when it comes to Goku
whenever he meets somebody new he changes them and
Jiren is no different, but we'll see how it plays out
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