NIGHT THOUGH WAS JOE BIDEN. NOT AS -- NOT HIS PAST, BUT
WHETHER HIS TIME ACTUALLY IS UP.
>> THIS WAS ALL A LONG WAY OF
YOU’RE SAYING YOU’RE A BIG
MARIANNE WILLIAMSON GUY?
NO, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST
NIGHT, SOME MOMENTS WILL COME
BACK TO HAUNT WHOEVER THE
NOMINEE IS.
NOMINEE IS. KAMALA HARRIS WE SHOULD POINT
OUT RAISED HER HAND AGAIN LAST
NIGHT TO SAY SHE WOULD ELIMINATE
PRIVATE INSURANCE.
PRIVATE INSURANCE. SHE DID, SHE RAISED HER HAND.
AFTERWARDS SHE TRIED TO SPIN OUT
OF IT AGAIN.
SHE HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS
BEFORE.
BEFORE. BUT SHE DID RAISE HER HAND.
GET RID OF PRIVATE INSURANCE,
1 --
1 -- >> CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THAT
MEANS IN REAL TERMS FOR PARENTS
WHO WANT THEIR CHILDREN TO GO TO
THE PEDIATRICIAN THAT THEY HAVE
KNOWN SINCE THEIR CHILDREN WERE
BORN.
BORN. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE
EMPLOYER-BASED INSURANCE WERE
HAPPY WITH THAT AND BILL de
BLASIO SAID IT WOULD BE PHASED
OUT OVER TIME.
AND OTHERS EXPLAINED THAT
YESTERDAY.
YESTERDAY. I DON’T KNOW HOW EXACTLY LONG
THAT WOULD TAKE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LOSE THEIR
INSURANCE FOR A WHILE, THEY’D BE
CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
THIS WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO A
LOT OF PEOPLE BUT SHE’S ON THE
RECORD SHE COULD BE THE NOMINEE.
SHE’S ON THE RECORD FOR
ELIMINATING INSURANCE.
ELIMINATING INSURANCE. ALL ON THE RECORD FOR GIVING IT
TO THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS WHAT’S
THE POINT OF THE BORDER ANYWAY
IF WE GIVE EVERYONE INSURANCE.
>> BY THE WAY, YOU TALK ABOUT A
MAGNET.
MAGNET. IF I’M A PARENT IN ANY CENTRAL
AMERICAN COUNTRY AND MY CHILD
HAS A DISEASE, HAS A CONDITION,
I’M GOING TO TRY TO CROSS THE
BORDER BECAUSE THE SECOND I GET
ACROSS THE BORDER, MY CHILD AND
I GET HEALTH CARE FOR LIFE.
>> WITH ALL THAT SAID, MICHAEL,
WE DID ASK THE QUESTION
YESTERDAY FOR PEOPLE BEING
INTRODUCED TO THIS GROUP,
THEY’LL LOOK AT THE STAGE AND
SAY WHO CAN I SEE IN MY MIND’S
EYE STANDING NEXT TO DONALD
TRUMP AND FIGHTING DONALD TRUMP?
THAT PERSON LAST NIGHT WAS JOE
BIDEN.
BIDEN. LAST NIGHT, I THINK IT BECAME
KAMALA HARRIS FOR A LOT OF
PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. >> I THINK YOU’RE RIGHT ABOUT
THAT.
THAT. SHE --
SHE -- [ APPLAUSE ]
>> AS I SAID, I KNOW HOW TO
DRAIN THE CROWDS’ ENTHUSIASM,
DON’T I?
DON’T I? SORRY IS ABOUT THAT.
>> BUT NO, I THINK YOU’RE
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT BECAUSE THERE
ARE TWO ASPECTS TO LOOK AT HERE
AND THEY BOTH GO TO YOUR POINT,
WILLIE, ABOUT WHO’S GOING TO GO
UP AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.
IT IS NO DOUBT I THINK WE ALL
CAN AGREE NOW THAT KAMALA HARRIS
CAN PROSECUTE THE CASE.
>> YEAH.
>> YEAH. >> SHE CAN MAKE THE CASE.
BUT WHAT IS THE CASE SHE IS
MAKING?
MAKING? IF THE CASE YOU’RE MAKING AN
IMMIGRANT WHO COMES TO THIS
COUNTRY UNDOCUMENTED IS -- HAS
ACCESS TO FREE HEALTH CARE AND
WILL NOT BE -- THAT ACTION
ITSELF WILL NOT BE ANY LONGER
CRIMINALIZED, WHAT ARE YOU
SAYING?
SAYING? BECAUSE DONALD TRUMP WILL SIT
THERE AND DO WHAT HE DID THIS
MORNING FROM OSAKA AND SAY, OH,
THEY REALLY ARE SOCIALISTS.
AND SO THAT NARRATIVE DOES NOT
PLAY WELL TO YOUR POINT, JOE,
ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SO YES, YOU CAN PROSECUTE THE
CASE.
CASE. BUT IT WILL MATTER WHAT IT IS
YOU’RE PROSECUTING.
YOU’RE PROSECUTING. WHAT IT IS YOU’RE SAYING FOR A
POLICY PROSCRIPTION ON THE
IMMIGRATION, ON THE ENVIRONMENT,
RELATIVE TO THE REST OF THE
COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. NOT YOUR EAST COAST/WEST COAST
CLIENTS OR, YOU KNOW,
CONSTITUENCIES.
CONSTITUENCIES. BUT THE COUNTRY -- THE PART OF
THE COUNTRY THAT STILL FEELS
ISOLATED, IGNORED.
ISOLATED, IGNORED. ON A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.
AND WHAT YOU’RE SAYING TO MIDDLE
AMERICA, YOU KNOW, FROM
PENNSYLVANIA, TO WISCONSIN, TO
MICHIGAN, THAT IMMIGRANTS CAN
COME HERE AND DO SOMETHING THAT
YOU -- YOU GET ACCESS TO
SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE A HARD
TIME GETTING ACCESS TO.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM.
>> BY THE WAY, HOW MANY MILLION
PEOPLE ARE STILL UNINSURED IN
AMERICA.
AMERICA. >> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> ADRIENNE, I DON’T WANT TO PUT
YOU IN THE DIFFICULT POSITION --
BUT SOMEBODY WHO OBVIOUSLY KNOWS
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BETTER THAN
ANY OF US UP HERE, WHAT WAS YOUR
TAKEAWAY LAST NIGHT AND DID YOU
HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR DO YOU
THINK THAT MAYBE I’M JUST THE
RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN OUT OF
TIME?
TIME? >> WELL, JOE, I ACTUALLY
THINK -- LOOK, I LOOKED ON THAT
STAGE LAST NIGHT AND I SAW A LOT
OF CANDIDATES WHO I THINK COULD
TAKE ON DONALD TRUMP.
SO THAT WAS A GOOD THING IN MY
MIND.
MIND. HOWEVER, I’M SURPRISED BY JOE
BIDEN’S SORT OF LACKLUSTER
PERFORMANCE.
PERFORMANCE. I THOUGHT HE WAS GOING TO PIVOT
AND TAKE ON TRUMP MORE FROM A
GENERAL ELECTION STAND POINT.
AS OPPOSED TO ONLY FOCUSING ON
DEFENDING HIMSELF.
DEFENDING HIMSELF. HE WAS COMPLETELY ON DEFENSE
ALMOST THE ENTIRE EVENING AS
OPPOSED TO BEING ON OFFENSE.
AND KAMALA HARRIS LOOKED LIKE
SOMEBODY WHO COULD TAKE ON TRUMP
BUT I HAVE CONCERNS WITH
ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SOME
OF THE BUSINESS ABOUT
IMMIGRATION THAT THE CANDIDATES
TOOK LAST NIGHT AND POSITIONS ON
MEDICARE FOR ALL BECAUSE
MEDICARE FOR ALL IS
OVERWHELMINGLY POPULAR WHEN YOU
LOOK AT IT ON THE SURFACE.
ABOUT 70% OF AMERICANS SUPPORT
MEDICARE FOR ALL, BUT WHEN YOU
GET INTO THE NITTY-GRITTY THAT
YOU LOSE PRIVATE INSURANCE UNDER
MOST OF THE POLICIES IT STARTS
TO TURN A LOT OF AMERICANS OFF
TO THE POINT THAT YOU JUST MADE,
NOW YOU HAVE A LOT OF DEMOCRATS
ON RECORD SAYING, YEAH, WE WANT
YOU TO LOSE YOUR PRIVATE
INSURANCE AND OH, BY THE WAY, IF
YOU’RE AN IMMIGRANT COMING TO
AMERICA, YOU KNOW YOU CAN BET
THE SAME BENEFITS THAT A LOT OF
AMERICANS HAVE NOW.
>> BY THE WAY, LOSE YOUR PRIVATE
INSURANCE, LOSE YOUR DOCTOR.
BY THE WAY, ILLEGAL IMGRANT --
IMMIGRANTS CROSS THE BORDER AND
THEY GET HEALTH COVERAGE FOR
LIFE AND IT’S NOT CALLED ILLEGAL
ANYMORE.
ANYMORE. THIS PLAYS INTO DONALD TRUMP’S
OPEN BORDERS CLAIM AND I HAVE
BEEN SAYING FOR THE LAST 2 1/2
YEARS IS A LIE.
>> LET’S HEAR FROM THE
CANDIDATES.
CANDIDATES. HERE THEY ARE ON UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS AND HEALTH CARE.
>> A LOT OF YOU HAVE BEEN
TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT THESE
HEALTH CARE PLANS, THIS IS A
SHOW OF HANDS QUESTION AND HOLD
THEM UP FOR A MOMENT SO PEOPLE
CAN SEE.
CAN SEE. RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOUR
GOVERNMENT PLAN WOULD PROVIDE
COVERAGE FOR UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS.
IMMIGRANTS. [ CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ]
OKAY.
OKAY. >> OUR COUNTRY IS HEALTHIER WHEN
EVERYBODY IS HEALTHIER AND
REMEMBER WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
SOMEBODY -- PEOPLE ARE GIVEN A
CHANCE TO BUY INTO IN THE SAME
WAY THERE ARE UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS IN MY COMMUNITY WHO
PAY, THEY PAY SALES TAXES.
THEY PAY PROPERTY TAXES DIRECTLY
OR INDIRECTLY.
OR INDIRECTLY. THIS IS NOT ABOUT A HANDOUT.
THIS IS AN INSURANCE PROGRAM.
AND WE DO OURSELVES NO FAVORS BY
HAVING 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED
PEOPLE IN OUR COUNTRY.
BE UNABLE TO ACCESS HEALTH CARE.
>> YOU CANNOT LET AS THE MAYOR
SAID, YOU CANNOT LET PEOPLE WHO
ARE SICK NO MATTER WHERE THEY
COME FROM, NO MATTER WHAT THEIR
STATUS GO UNCOVERED.
YOU CAN’T DO THAT.
IT’S JUST GOT TO BE TAKEN CARE
OF, YOU HAVE TO.
IT’S A HUMANE THING TO DO, BUT
HERE’S THE DEAL.
THE DEAL IS THAT HE’S RIGHT
ABOUT THREE THINGS.
NUMBER ONE, THEY IN FACT
CONTRIBUTE TO THE WELL-BEING OF
THE COUNTRY BUT THEY ALSO FOR
EXAMPLE THEY INCREASE THE LIFE
SPAN OF SOCIAL SECURITY BECAUSE
THEY HAVE A JOB, THEY’RE PAYING
A SOCIAL SECURITY TAX.
THAT’S WHAT THEY’RE DOING.
IT’S INCREASED THE LIFE SPAN
THEY WOULD DO THE SAME THING AS
REDUCING THE OVERALL COST OF
HEALTH CARE FOR THEM TO BE
TREATED AND NOT WAIT UNTIL
THEY’RE IN EXTREMIS.
>> ALL DEMOCRATS JUST RAISED
THEIR HANDS FOR GIVING OF
ILLEGAL AIL YINS UNELIMINATED
HELICOPTER CARE.
HELICOPTER CARE. HOW ABOUT TAKING CARE OF
AMERICANS?
AMERICANS? >> WE MAY BE KILLING HAMLET,
JOHN HEILEMANN.
JOHN HEILEMANN. WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC
EXCHANGE BUT I WANT YOUR OVERALL
TAKE ON WHAT YOU SAW LAST NIGHT.
>> WELL, I THINK A LOT OF YOUR
COMMENTS ARE ON POINT, JOE.
I THINK THE CHAOS ON STAGE WAS
NOT -- IT WAS NOT A GOOD LOOK.
I THINK A LOT OF THE CANDIDATES
IN THIS DEBATE WATCHED THE NIGHT
BEFORE AND TOOK VARIOUS LESSONS.
FIRST OF ALL, THEY TALKED A LOT
MORE ABOUT DONALD TRUMP THAN THE
FIRST NIGHT ON THE STAGE.
THEY HEARD YOU AND US YESTERDAY
MORNING, WEIRD, THEY’RE NOT
TALKING ABOUT TRUMP.
A LOT OF TALK ABOUT TRUMP LAST
NIGHT.
NIGHT. >> WHICH WAS A GOOD THING.
THEY SHOULD.
THEY SHOULD. >> YOU SAW CANDIDATES WHO
THOUGHT -- WHO REALIZED THAT
THERE WAS -- THAT THEY WANTED TO
TO -- THE IMPETUS WAS ON THEM TO
INTERRUPT SO THE INTERRUPTION
QUOTIENT WAS UP VERY HIGH AND
KAMALA HARRIS, WHAT STARTED THE
TRAIN ROLLING FOR HER VERY GOOD
NIGHT WAS THAT VERY RELATABLE
MOMENT WHERE SHE SAID, YOU KNOW,
WHAT AMERICANS DON’T WANT IS A
FOOD FIGHT.
FOOD FIGHT. THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HOW WE
PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE.
THAT WAS THE MOMENT WE SAID,
OKAY, SHE CAME TO PLAY AND SHE
THEN I THOUGHT THROUGHOUT THE
DEBATE HAD THE MOST DOMINANT
PERFORMANCE OF ANY OF THE
CANDIDATES OVER THE TWO NIGHTS
IN THE SENSE SHE DID MORE TO
HELP HER PROSPECTS TO BECOME A
DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE THAN ANYBODY
EITHER NIGHT.
EITHER NIGHT. ELIZABETH WARREN, VERY GOOD
FIRST NIGHT.
FIRST NIGHT. I THINK THERE WAS NOT A SINGLE
ANSWER THAT KAMALA HARRIS GAVE
LAST NIGHT WHERE SHE WAS NOT
LOCKED IN AND MAKING AN ARGUMENT
THAT WAS HELPING HER IN SOME
WAY.
WAY. I THINK TO ADRIENNE’S POINT,
THERE’S A LOG LINE OF HER
CANDIDACY, I’M THE PROSECUTOR, I
CAN PROSECUTE THE CASE AGAINST
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. SHE SHOWED LAST NIGHT ALL OF
THOSE PROSECUTORIAL SKILLS AND
MADE JOE BIDEN THE STAND-IN FOR
DONALD TRUMP.
DONALD TRUMP. IF YOU WANT TO SEE ME ON STAGE
WITH ANOTHER WHITE MAN, WATCH ME
RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT NOW. I AGREE WITH YOU, I THOUGHT JOE
BIDEN’S PERFORMANCE WAS
DISCONCERTING, IT WAS POOR.
I THINK THE PRESSURE IS GOING TO
BE ON HIM TO AN EXTRAORDINARY
DEGREE IN THE SECOND DEBATE TO
DO BETTER, BUT THE REALITY WAS
THAT IN THAT MOMENT, YOU COULD
KIND OF SEE WHAT SHE WOULD LOOK
LIKE.
LIKE. YOU HEARD ALL OF THE
CONVERSATION ON DEMOCRATS WAS
HAVING WATCHED THAT DEBATE WAS,
I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE HER GO ON
STAGE AGAINST DONALD TRUMP.
THAT’S THE ULTIMATE WIN FOR
KAMALA HARRIS IS TO PLANT IN
DEMOCRATIC VOTERS MINDS THAT SHE
WOULD BE AWESOME ON STAGE.
>> ONE JOB.
>> AGAINST THAT PRESIDENT.
>> AND WILLIE, LAST NIGHT --
[ APPLAUSE ]
>> AGREED.
>> AGREED. >> LAST NIGHT TO THAT POINT,
THERE WAS A HUGE WIN FOR KAMALA
HARRIS BECAUSE SHE HAD BEEN
STUCK AROUND 7, 8%.
YOU KNOW, SHE HAD THE GREAT
KICKOFF.
KICKOFF. AND THEN SAW A LOT OF PEOPLE GO
PAST HER.
PAST HER. SHE WAS SORT OF STUCK AT 7, 8%,
ELIZABETH WARREN WENT PAST HER.
MAYOR PETE WENT PAST HER.
SHE NEED ED LAST NIGHT TO
HAPPEN, BUT IT WAS COMPLETE
DOMINATION.
DOMINATION. IT WAS INTERESTING AFTER WITH WE
HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT POLLS
SHOWING TWO OLD WHITE MEN IN
FIRST PLACE, THE WINNER OF BOTH
NIGHTS WERE WOMEN.
>> YES.
>> YES. >> WOMEN SENATORS, ELIZABETH
WARREN AND KAMALA HARRIS.
>> A BIG STORY OF THE NIGHT.
>> THOSE POLLS CAME OUT EARLIER
IN THE WEEK, WE THOUGHT THIS
RACE HAS BEEN SET IN CONCRETE
FOR A WHILE WITH JOE BIDEN ABOUT
20 POINTS UP.
SOMETHING HAS GOT TO GIVE.
WELL, LAST NIGHT SOMETHING GAVE
AND IT WAS KAMALA HARRIS WHO
CAME IN.
CAME IN. WE KNEW THAT SHE WAS PROBABLY
GOING TO BE THE ONE WHO COULD
STAND ON THE STAGE AND GO AT JOE
BIDEN BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAD TO DO
CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE RACE.
SHE WENT IN WITH A CALCULATED
IDEA.
IDEA. SHE EXECUTED IT EXTRAORDINARILY
WELL.
WELL. SHE GOT IN A FACE IN A WAY THAT
WAS RESPECTFUL AND SAID I DON’T
THINK YOU’RE A RACIST BUT HERE’S
WHY YOU’RE WRONG FOR THINGS YOU
HAVE DONE IN THE PAST.
IF ANYBODY MOVES UP IT’S GOING
TO BE HER.
I THINK MAYOR PETE HAD A GOOD
NIGHT.
NIGHT. HE HAD A THOUGHTFUL ANSWER ABOUT
WHAT HAPPENED ABOUT WHAT’S GOING
ON IN SOUTH BEND, BUT KAMALA
HARRIS WAS THE RUNAWAY WINNER
LAST NIGHT.
LAST NIGHT. >> I WILL SAY THIS.
THAT USUALLY CAMPAIGNS ARE ABOUT
CONTRAST.
CONTRAST. IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY LIKE DONALD
TRUMP LOUD AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY
VERBALLY ABUSIVE, WHAT YOU WANT
IS A CONTRAST TO THAT AND IF YOU
WANT THAT CONTRAST THEN YOU GET
THAT IN THE FORM OF MAYOR PETE.
WHO ACTUALLY UNLIKE JUST ABOUT
EVERYBODY ELSE ON THE STAGE KEPT
HIS COOL.
HIS COOL. HIS TEMPERAMENT --
>> PERFECT.
>> PERFECT. >> HE HAD GREAT TEMPERAMENT.
AND CARRIED HIMSELF OFF VERY
WELL, EVEN HANDLED THE SOUTH
BEND QUESTION WELL.
>> I THINK WOMEN ARE EMERGING IN
THESE DEBATES AND IN POLITICAL
MOMENT IN A WHOLE NEW WAY AND
IT’S VERY EXCITING TO WATCH.
>> YES.
>> YES. >>> STILL AHEAD, WE’LL SPEAK
WITH FOUR DEMOCRATIC CONTENDERS
WHO TOOK THE STAGE LAST NIGHT
AND ONE WHO DID NOT, MAYOR PETE
BUTTIGIEG, SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS
WILL BE OUR GUEST.
WE’LL BE JOINED BY SENATORS
KIRSTEN GILLIBRAND AND MICHAEL
BENNET AND MONTANA GOVERNOR
STEVE BULLOCK WILL BE OUR GUEST.
AND OVER THE NIGHT, DONALD TRUMP
MET WITH VLADIMIR PUTIN AND
JOKED ABOUT MEDDLING IN THE 2020
ELECTION.
ELECTION. SERIOUS.
SERIOUS. WE’LL GET A LIVE REPORT FROM
OSAKA.
OSAKA. YOU’RE WATCHING "MORNING JOE."
WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.