So in terms of your lack of belief in a creator and our belief in a creator.
Okay, now, on the one hand, I'll say that we can't prove God exists,
I know, which is where faith comes in and you can't disprove God exist.
Well...
Scientifically I think it probably can.
Okay, let's just go with you.
Let me go forward.
Using the scientific method.
The empirical scientists prove God, and I can't prove God.
No. Why?
Because the science only measures the physical world that we live inside.
It has no sort of way of measuring or proving the metaphysical metaphysical.
For example, if you put God to one side
for a moment, do you believe us as human beings, we have souls.
No.
What is the ingredient that gives our body's life?
Well, that's a good one, actually, but I don't believe.
This is not about point scoring and anything like that.
What I'm trying to say is that I can't
prove what exists scientifically, and you can't disprove.
What I can give you is reasons for my belief.
And you can maybe give me your reasons for your lack of belief.
Okay.
Can I share with you my reasons for believing in the gods?
Okay, but can you make it?
I'll keep it very short. Okay.
I believe that this universe has not always existed.
It began to exist. No one.
And that is illogical for this universe to have created itself.
So the deduction of those two points is that a it began to exist.
Okay, fine. Two, it can't have created itself.
And the result of those two points is
that something must have created this universe.
It's definitely an opinion.
Okay, I haven't mentioned religion.
If I came as an a religious person, I have no religion.
But I believe in a creator.
And I said, I believe God exists because
this universe couldn't have created itself and it began to exist.
Do you believe the universe began to exist?
The big Bang? You said.
So the big problem.
You can't pick the shoes.
My father was an astrophysicist
when I talked to him about the creation of the universe.
He never, ever went.
And you're right.
I can't prove either way.
Should I tell you why you can't prove or
disprove God scientifically? No, I get it. But why?
I said that?
Because the measurement that you're using, I.
E.
Science, the empirical method is the wrong measurement.
Why?
It's like me giving you a scale and saying, tell me how tall you are.
Okay, so it's not your lack of ability to derive your height,
but the measurement I'm giving you is a scale that only weighs your body.
Okay, it doesn't tell you your height.
So it's that measurement, which is an issue.
Now, what I'm trying to say is I don't
need to have proof of my beliefs, but I do need to have reasons.
And those reasons are what can be scrutinised.
And if they can stand up to scrutiny, then you can say, okay, this makes sense.
This is rational. It makes sense.
Up until that point.
Now I'd ask you to say I'll ask you the same.
What are your reasons for not believing in a creator?
I've given you my reasons.
Okay.
Do you recall what I said? What were they?
You said that you believe because there was an irrationality between
the creation of the universe and something not creating the universe.
I think it's what you said.
So I said that the universe can't have created itself.
Okay? And the universe began to exist.
So something created and that thing itself must be uncreated.
And otherwise you'll have to.
The reason why is because if that entity
was created, you'll have an infinite regress of entities who are created.
Exactly. So it must begin with an uncreated entity.
Where does that come from?
This is why I said to you, it must be uncreated.
It came from nowhere, was always there.
So then we get to another level of space
and this idea that there was an uncreative entity.
Okay.
I'm saying it is based on rational and reason.
What are your reasons?
All I can do is this is like, you go. Okay.
If you believe my belief is not an emotional belief.
By the way, in the Big Bang,
if you believe that there was this thing the size of my face that exploded
to create our universe, then you have to go into creationism,
which is everything that happens has to be a product of an explosion.
Grenade grenade explodes.
The shrapnel goes somewhere.
The strapping doesn't know where it's going.
It's just going there because of this big bank.
Sure.
So if you believe in the big bank, you can't believe in predestination.
Everything is predestined.
If you believe in that, it has to be predestined.
So if I blow up a bomb, everything that happens after I blow up
my Bob is pretested by the explosion that just happened.
Okay, so if you believe in the big Bang, that the fact there was this thing
in the credit unit, then you have to believe that everything
is predestined, and therefore there is no such we do.
If you asked me for a nutshell answer,
why I believe in God, and I gave you a nutshell answer. So could
you give me one nutshell answer why you don't believe in God?
Because too many bad things have happened in my life.
That's an emotional reason. Yeah.
Okay. My wife died.
My mother died. My aunt died.
I'm, like, really?
Is that what a good God is?
Is that a God who is looking after my no.
Because, frankly, I don't need to believe in God.
I'm going to die in ten years. That's awful.
Am I going to go to heaven?
No, it doesn't matter.
If you said to me tomorrow you have cancer.
You're going to die in a week. I'd be like, yeah.
Listen, you seem like a rational, intellectual person.
As far as lacking the ride, the reasons that I have given you
for believing in God have been rational and consistent.
The reason that you're giving me for discipline have been emotional.
Okay, emotional. That's fine.
Now, just because a bad thing happens
doesn't mean that the universe created itself and that we came from fish.
Well, that's kind of slightly a bleep, but my point is all right.
I love it that you're here.
Guys, I love that you are going that being a Muslim is a really good thing,
because I do genuinely believe that I think the Quran is a good thing.
I think like all religion books,
other people have come along and made it a bad thing.
So I am in support of the One True Message Foundation.
I will give you money to your offer.
But my point is that I know that being a Muslim is a good thing.
That's not a bad thing. It doesn't matter what happens under
Al Qaeda or whatever version of somebody who is interpreting the Quran.
I know it's a good book.
I think it's lovely that you're doing this.
Thank you very much. Not your audience.
Listen,thank you for stopping.
Thank you. Have a good day.
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