In this edition of PowerNews debate, we have a debate of the ages.
It's like the wild wild west.
On one side, we have the old gunslinger and on the other, the new hero in town.
So without wasting any more time because you know, money,
let me introduce you to my left, we have Shubhabrata Marmar in the Pulsar and on my right, we have
Varun Painter in the Apache RTR, so let's see what happens, Shubhabrata Marmar's loss,
or Varun Painter's RTR.
I will only say that a garland is not in our favour. Do you want to say something?
We are going to win this seat today in any case.
So, without wasting any more time, we're gonna have five different topics.
Let's talk about the Pulsar.
The NS 200 has always been the best in class and today 10 years since it was launched,
it is still the best in class.
The new Apache RTR 200 is actually new.
It comes with a lot of features... you will have to speak up on my show!
So what I was saying is that the Apache RTR 200 is a new motorcycle and at the end of
the debate we'll know that this motorcycle is the best in the class.
You shout too.
Shouting is advantageous only when your product has so many problems that you have to reiterate
that your product is better. Are you trying to say my product is not good? Is that why I am shouting?
You think I'm overcompensating for something?
Start the topic, and let's decide who's better and who's not. You don't tell me when to start the topic.
This is my show, I'll start the topic when I want, I'm starting it right now.
So in the first round we talk about beauty, the X factor, and also you can talk about the bikes.
Now if the respected dignitary takes the focus off of himself and focuses on the bikes, then we'll talk about the NS 200.
This design was launced by Bajaj 10 years ago and look at its durability, from then until now, the bodywork didn't need a change.
In the BS6 variant the designers gave it a new stickering scheme, and the white colour reflects at multiple places in our culture.
And even today, I think it's the most striking, most youthful looking motorcycle in this segment.
White is also the colour of his hair and his cap.
Talking about the looks, the Apache RTR... no you can't do this, it's my turn to speak, sir please say something!
This is about the motorcycle so don't say something personal. Okay done, then I'll talk about the motorcycle.
Coming onto the looks, the NS 200 is not that great, but the RTR 200, from headlamp to the tail lamp, it's clear that the RTR 200
definitely is the best looking motorcycle in its iteration that we have seen today.
Do you have anything to say about the Pulsar?
The Pulsar 250 is a motorcycle that will come
in the future and our party's policy is that we will not talk about future products. Okay while I
refer to my script and here it says it is engine, that is the heart, Mr. painter with the RTR.
Definitely, why not?! The RTR 200 has had small changes over the years and in this latest form, it's a
200cc engine, it makes 20.8PS of power. Sorry I would like to say the word "only", "only" is very important
you write it on the cheques also please say 20.8 only.
Okay done, but the way the power delivery happens, the mid range is so strong, enter a corner, get on the
gas, you will be in the sweet spot every single time. Talking about the refinement, there are no vibrations in this motorcycle.
And the sound, its wow, I'll show you how the exhaust note sounds, it'll play in the overlay.
I would say that the Pulsar NS 200 is the originator of the idea of exhaust note.
The originator people, originator. We were the first people to put the exhaust under the motorcycle.
Always a great place to put things, please continue. Where it does not interrupt the design on either side.
He keeps thinking that it is a great idea for his 20.8bhp only motorcycle but the fact
of the matter is, if you can give people more power, that is what they look for.
We already had 23.5PS even before BS6, now we have 24.5PS.
Until today, no one has come to the showroom saying, "give me a motorcycle in mid range and with refinrment".
They come and ask, "what's in the spec sheet, what is peak power?"
They want practicality... Please let me finish. Please let him finish. Please stop talking, this is my show, mute him.
The point is that this motorcycle has 24.5PS which is the maximum power in this segment.
Even though I have to stay neutral,
he just said power and who doesn't like more of it? Especially those of us at PowerDrift.
You know where this is going.
Marmar ji talks about power, but i'll tell you where it's used.
At 7000RPM, when the power kicks in, where will you use it? You tell me where will you use it?
I'll use it everywhere, throttle up everywhere and will keep a gear lower, the power would be used.
Marmar ji, you stay in India. There would be a pot hole somewhere, somewhere you'll have a bad road,
you'll have to slow down. And when you slow down... you are changing the topic Mr. Painter.
You don't talk about bad roads. No, talk about motorcycles. On my show you talk about what the topic is. Follow the script, Mr. Painter.
Also I have six gears and he only has five..
Justice is weak here. Okay, time's up, we're moving on to the next topic right now.
And let me for that, refer to my script once again.
So round number three, this one is called ride quality or handling.
Marmar ji thinks his party is still ruling...
No, I will decide, I will decide who will talk once again.
Okay respected sir, you decide.
You please continue...Oh should I? Now the biggest difference that you have between the NS 200 and the RTR 200
is the fact that the RTR, which is my party, gets adjustable preload on the front, do you realise what that means?
Choice.
You can set it up the way you want to, and in the NS 200?
Same fork, everything has been the same for the past 10 years, that same old fork setup.
When you go into corners, it's a more stable motorcycle, when you're riding it on the road, it's a stable motorcycles,
when you're riding it at low speeds, it can absorb the bumps easily.
So overall, when you talk about ride quality, suspension, and the way it's handles the RTR stays true to its TVS racing heritage
and is the winner
I would simply like to say here, that having a choice is a great thing.
But choices have to be given to customers and users with a little bit of thought about what
are you going to do with the choice. All our motorcycles had preload adjustable rear suspension since the very beginning,
theirs has it and ours have it too, and we know, nobody uses it. Now someone who doesn't adjusts the rear
would do nothing with the front as well. As far as it's concernced with us, the ride quality and handling package
hasn't seen a significant update in 10 years, do you know why? Because we got it right the first time and we didn't need
to do anything. I will give you the credit of having a motorcycle that is very much closer to our motorcycle today.
But, our motorcycle is still better, and let me strain this
maybe their ride quality is better.
But do you need it?
It is a matter of what is the character of the motorcycle, the NS 200 was created to be
the sporty motorcycle in this segment and sporty motorcycles don't have great ride quality
they have great handling, that is what exactly the NS 200 brings to the table, the best handling
in the segment. If you ask the customers who are using NS 200s, they will not buy anything else.
Respected sir,
you should put a break on this discussion because the Pulsar also has the better brakes.
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We're in debate between the NS 200 and the Apache RTR. The world wants to know and most
importantly, the nation wants to know which one is better,
so let's get back to the debate.
Marmar ji, you're quite experienced in this field, you've been here for a while, clearly.
So, the NS was launched almost a decade ago,
and realistically only a few changes have been made, like guide says here, colour schemes
have been added, carb to FI and that's about it.
So, aren't you worried that Painter ji will catch up?
See, when a product hasn't changed in a while,
it also means it's a stable, reliable product that everybody already appreciates.
As far as this carb-FI thing, you have to remember that the BS6 version is more or less the
motorcycle that has been going to Turkey for a very long time, so even that technically is not new,
it is an established, reliable product that we have exported and successfully.
Turkey you're saying? Yes, we believe that as a responsible manufacturer, if this motorcycle is good
and eveyone is trying to catch up to it, then all the motorcycles are becoming better.
This is for the betterment of the country.
Marmar ji should be worried.
Excuse me Mr. Painter, how can you talk without me letting you talk? This is my show.
Okay, please, go ahead.
So Mr. Painter, are you getting worried? I am not at all worried, it's Marmar ji's party which should be worried.
He thinks that the Pulsar NS 200 in spite of being a 10 year old design has that cult following
and he thinks that he'll win this. But the thing is the RTR 200 has caught up and slipped through and
gone ahead as well. He thinks Pulsar maniacs are the only cult in the market but there's something known as the RTR
and that belongs to the Apache family.
I think that's a very weak argument.
The fact of the matter is you arrived as an alternative to my product.
Alternative and more features, newer to the market, loaded to the gills.
Varun ji, you're taking it in the wrong way, I am thanking you.
Why?
Please sit down... No, I don't want to sit, I am leaving this show, please take off this mic.
Bro you cannot leave without me letting you go. No, no, I am not doing this, no I am not talking to you, no.
You please sit down, and then let's talk.
With this we come to the end of round four, and after fourth comes the fifth round.
In this round we talk about the most important aspect.
This one is about, price, Painter ji. This time, we'll let the old speak first.
We have already stated that this is the most powerful bike in this segment and then, when we updated to BS6
we incremented the power so it could be a little costly.
So our motorcycle is priced at 1.33 lakh rupees, ex-showroom, and I think that's a very reasonable price
for what is the best handling motorcycle in the class,
the most powerful motorcycle in the class and
perhaps the most stylish looking motorcyclein the class as well.
10 year old design being stylish, interesting.
Why is it interesting? What do you think? Because the Eiffel Tower is 100 years old, it is not stylish anymore.
This doen't mean you'll say anything.
I think pictures in front of it is stylish. I don't think the tower itself is stylish.
You will not take pictures in front of it if it wasn't stylish in the first place.
You're making baseless arguments Mr. Marmar. So I am choosing to ignore you.
Please continue Mr. Painter.
So he talked about the price, even I'm going to talk about price. Rupees 1.33 lakh for the RTR 200 and in that price,
you get so many features and talking about the features, NS 200 gets nothing
See, it's a motorcycle not an earpiece that it has to have Bluetooth.
It is just a feature that fills out a spec sheet.
What in fact my friend forgot to mention is that his motorcycle has riding modes, I would
say most riders will outgrow these riding modes within the first six months of riding that
motorcycle after that they will use only one riding mode, that will be the sport mode.
And before you interrupt, in sport mode, your motorcycle still makes 3.5bhp less than mine.
The way that they're attacking it is by adding more features.
Well, that's great, you're not buying potatoes and onions, you're buying motorcycles, so let's focus here.
When you go to a showroom to buy a motorcycle, and when you compare these two, you'll probably
have a 5% better ride quality than the NS 200. The dual channel ABS might give you a
2% advantage, the preload adjustable fork might give you a 4% advantage, but when you add all of this,
you get an 18-20% advantage over the NS 200 at the exact same price.
So tell me, why should you or even why would you consider buying the NS 200.
The point is, it is the most powerful motorcycle in the class and that is the reason to buy the NS 200.
Power is what the youth wants.
Quiet, quiet!
I have to close this show, I have groceries to buy. Do you want to say, in final, something to our audience?
My hindi is getting better guys.
I would enclose and say that the NS 200 has always been the most powerful motorcycle in the 200cc class.
It remains the most powerful motorcycle in the 200cc class.
That's how good it is.
So I would say vote for the NS 200 in the comments.
Use the #TeamPulsar.
Mr. Painter. What do you have to say?
Today I stand in front of you with folded hands... Sir you're sitting sir, please...and I stand with you with folded hands,
actually I'll sit down, that's better. And tell you that the RTR 200, Marmar ji says power, power, power
but the RTR 200 has more usable power. It gets more features, and everything that you see is exactly
at the same price as the NS 200. If you think the RTR 200 wins this, please vote for me using the
#TeamApache in the comments section below. Thank you.
Alright, so energy and confidence.
So I would like to conclude this episode of PowerNews debate saying that I won this debate.
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