the war is impacting the global
world.
This is not the a war between the West and the Rest, not even
the West and Russia. But the whole world is going to be
affected, is affected. And we're coming from Latin America, I
will go to Africa next week. And I can tell you that there are
different views. And we have to pay attention to the Russia
narrative, how to counter this narrative? Or how do we engage
with everybody in the world in order to explain what's going on
in Ukraine, and how to face their consequences. So from what
you're saying, there are large parts of the world, including
China and India, who need to be persuaded actually that Russia
needs to be stopped. Well, to pursue a China it's a difficult
task. China has a strong stance, they will be shoulder to
shoulder with Russia, we know that they taught us. So I don't
think that there is a lot to do. But there are many other
countries in the world are different sizes. Look,
yesterday, the President in Argentina, for example, was
saying something about the wall, Who is guilty ruler, the
candidate, the former president of Brazil, also a lot of
countries in Africa and Latin America, who look at this wall
with different eyes than ours. So the West needs more allies
internationally, the West need to pay more attention to the
rest of the world. And what are the consequences of the West not
listening to the rest of the world? Well, they will listen
and other music. The message is being sent by Moscow, I'm being
equal, he could buy the game, because the Chinese media
reproduce systematically the Russian message. It's based on
the old feeling of anti Americanism, or anti
colonialism. The old reflexes of Latin America and in Africa, and
other countries will tell you like, like Serbia, that Belgrade
was also bombed that without the United Nations mandate, that
Iraq was invaded, in the story that you Western people also did
things like this to size two measures. It's something that
has to be countered, especially the economic consequences of the
wall, or the wall Grusha tries to present the consequences of
the sanctions. No, there is no weight in the world because of
the sanctions. You have a high electricity prices or energy
prices because of the sanctions. Now they're not the sanctions.
Is the war itself.
Is Europe itself, prepared to pay that price? There are some
countries, Hungary, notably and others, who appear at the moment
not willing to back surf on the land to back yourself to back
the sick sanctions package? Are you still fighting a very tough
battle within Europe itself? Well,
we are 27 member states in different situations
objectively. Hungary is in a completely different situation
than Spain, or Portugal. They don't have a C axis, they have a
single refinery. They get the oil from Russia, fitted to the
refinery or different refinery to the soil. They have to adapt
their objective regions that have to be taken into
consideration. But have you made as a slip on the land made any
progress in persuading Viktor Orban that actually sooner
rather than later is necessary to wean itself off Russian oil?
Yes, I am sure that Hungary is completely on board of the idea
that as a whole, you would have had to get rid of the energy
dependency from from Russia on what everybody agrees on how it
depends. I've been talking with the Foreign Affairs Minister of
Hungary. The ministers and ambassadors will continue
working we have a whole Foreign Affairs Council on Monday. If
there is not an agreement before one day the ministers will have
to discuss about it. And how close to an agreement is the EU
with Hungary.
I'll probably hang Hungary, Slovakia, Czech Republic, all
you know the countries who are landlocked and cannot look for
an alternative as quick as others. They are not the bad guy
of the field. Because they have objective difficulties and we
want to have everyone everybody on board. We have to take into
account and look for solutions. Solutions means
periods of time needed, amount of resources needed at the end.
I'm sure we
We will have an agreement but
it's not so easy so one thing is to announce and another thing is
to build the consensus