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We are sitting here today to talk about Logan.
And-
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- Yeah.
- All three.
Six. - Logan's got three, right?
Per? - Yeah, three per.
- Uh-huh. - Six total.
- That's right, I'm confused.
- You're all right, bro.
- Because the new one has (Sound) just the two.
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- Spoiler.
- Shoot. We got to start over.
- We'll get there. We'll get there Josh Dickey.
- (Laugh) - Mashable Entertainment Editor.
We'll get there.
- We all saw the movie (Laugh) - (Laugh)
- We all saw the movie.
Look.
- Not a spoiler to us.
- Yes. - (Cough)
- There's four of us that saw the movie.
I want to get all four of us together partially because, well,
we all saw Saw it and we all wanna talk about it.
And partially because this is kind of the beginning of the big movies of 2017.
Like March is a surprisingly big month this year.
- I remember writing a few years ago that April was the start of summer movie season
when the Fast and
the Furious franchise decided to go there with much great effect, now it's March.
- Now it's March. - Yeah, and
then also King Kong is gonna be out in March, so-
- Kong comes out the weekend after Logan.
- Big month. - Big month, really excited about that.
- But we're not talking about that.
- But we're not talking about, you're right.
Too far ahead of, we're so far ahead of ourselves,
we haven't even introduced the latest edition, Laura Prudom.
How you doing?
- I'm doing well, how are you doing?
- Thanks for joining us on Cinefix.
- It is my pleasure.
- So you're a comic book, Star Wars- - Nerd.
- Nerd. - Of all stripes, yes.
- We're just combining them.
- All forces.
- Anything that Disney owns- - All powers combined.
- Let's put Pixar in there, too.
- Yeah. - Great.
- But she's the yin to my yang of not giving any (Bleep) at all
about Star Wars and comic book movies.
- I don't know how I can even in the same room as you all.
- You are giving all of the (Bleep).
That's why you don't have any left to give, because she's giving all of them.
I do, I took all the (Bleep) - Fresh out of (Bleep) she's got them all.
- Right. - Yeah, well, you're not fresh out,
you've been out of (Bleep) for a long time.
- (Laugh) It's true, it's true.
- But, like we said, we're talking about Logan this week.
So, general thoughts?
Did you like it?
- I loved it, I think it was my favorite X movie since X2 certainly.
Maybe even as a cohesive story, better than X2 I might say.
- You might say.
- I might say.
- Okay. - And it's interesting to say that it's
your favorite X movie going back to X2, cuz I had a hard time thinking of the last
time I enjoyed any superhero movie as much as I enjoyed Logan.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- And I think it's
kind of two separate answers. What was the last superhero movie that
you enjoyed as much, what was the last superhero movie that was objectively as
good. - That's a lie.
- Well, that's two totally different
questions. - Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
it's two questions.
- Yeah, right, but for me the answer's the same for both.
And I would say The Dark Knight, not The Dark Knight Rises, but The Dark Knight.
I really enjoyed Logan and I think that my opinion counts more because I don't
care about comic book movies.
- Right, that's fair.
- I mean we reviewed Dr. Strange here on the channel together and
I gave it a positive review because I felt like it was fine.
It was very much the paint by numbers, here's another Marvel movie.
Whereas Logan didn't just feel like another one, I felt like they were
actively making bold choices and I applaud them for that, I've feel like, definitely
some issues with they might have done something a little bit more interesting.
There are certainly a lot of kind of formula like beats within it.
But at the same time I found it very refreshing.
- It's not like any superhero movie we've ever gotten before though.
I mean, it is a wrestling, it's a road trip movie, it's a chase.
- Already comedy.
- And it's got's some really quality sci-fi audiences as well.
It's near future science fiction, I thought it was done really well.
- It totally does.
And also they really play with the fact that these guys are old.
These guys are old as (Bleep) they're so old.
- Well, Wolverine is literally well over 100 years old.
- Yeah. - (Inaudible) (Laugh)
- Right.
- Yeah, the point is
they don't shy away if from the fact that these guys are really old and
they are really struggling just to, they're basically, they're done with life.
They are like running out the clock at
this point, when we finally encounter them for the first time.
- They're not doing anything with their lives.
They're not being superheroes, they are just counting down the days until they die
and of course that doesn't work out that way.
But it's just neat that they play with a bundle different conventions that you
don't expect to come from a superhero film at all.
This really like It's like a Coen Brothers Western.
- Yeah. - It kind of reminded me of No Country for
Old Men and Hell or High Water.
- It had a very Hell or High Water vibe for me too.
In particular too because the structure of the story was very straight forward.
It was very easy to follow.
There wasn't a lot of needless exposition.
I rewatched Doctor Strange the other day, and
every other conversation I think, is explaining something.
- Yeah - And it's like and you get so
much of that in superhero movies and
this was, this let you sort of, it was just a really well executed movie.
- I trust the audience knows Wolverine and the character and
like what he's been through and what his world view is.
It just gets darker and darker and more cynical and as time has gone on so
we've arrived at this place and they allow him to be himself without, yes, having to
constantly remind you why he's like that or what happened to him along the way.
And the new characters that they bring in are great too.
- Yeah. - I think that the,
they did a very nice job of casting the young woman, X23.
Although, I do think that that she does seem very Eleven like.
Like from Stranger Things, didn't you guys get that like from Stranger Things.
Did you guys get that like- - Someone mentioned that to me and
I think I might have thought that fleetingly very early on in the movie.
But I feel like they did a good job of differentiating it pretty quickly.
- I think they were probably shooting that movie by the time Stranger Things
came out.
Yeah, very, very similar, girl who's powers are created in a lab and
she escapes.
- She's a mute mostly.
- And she doesn't talk and talk until she feels like she's going to-
- Yeah.
- And is kind of feral in that way.
It's a pretty similar character. - Yup.
Outside of that though, I mean she was way more blood thirsty.
- Yeah. - Yes.
- (Laugh) - Did Eleven ever thought about being-
- She kicks ass.
- Yeah, she kicks a lot of ass.
And that brings us to another part of what makes this such a different.
I mean obviously we had Deadpool as a R rated superhero movie.
And this is R Rated.
- They let you know immediately.
- I think the first word he says is
(Bleep) - (Bleep) yeah.
(Laugh) - But
the violence in this one was pretty nuts.
Like, there's claws through.
Have you seen some of the red band trailers and everything?
Did that get exhausting, in any way?
(Laugh) Did that wear you down a little bit?
- For me, no.
- No. - Me, neither.
- And I think probably because we haven't seen that many superhero
films that can go this full bore on it.
It reminds me most, I think, of Daredevil, Netflix's Marvel Universe show,
just in terms of like you can get away with the violence.
The action is very well choreographed.
It's very clean and easy to follow.
It's not a million CGI characters being mushed up or
flattened under buildings and stuff.
And I think that it's more coherent, I think, even than Deadpool.
- Yeah. - Just because there's a real clarity to
the storytelling that James Mangold brings to it.
- I agree.
I mean I loved the violence but that's mostly because I have the blood lust.
- (Laugh) - But I also think that it was a really
crisp kind of fight choreography within the movie and
it was just kind of nice in a weird way to actually see blood, in a weird way.
Because I feel like most of these superhero movies, you know in going for
that PG-13 that's a lot of this sort of old school swashbuckler where a guy gets
stabbed, there's no blood, he just kind of collapses.
And it's just like people getting stabbed with items and there's never any blood.
- Falling down.
(Laugh) - Action movies in general, too.
- So it gave it a lot more realness.
But also, it was a little bit like, (Sound), my goodness.
Because you go in knowing it's R, but you don't, I don't think I was prepared for
how much they went for that R rating.
- Especially because it's like a little girl kicking the (Bleep) out of people.
- Right.
- And like tearing through like sloths of men.
- Yeah. - It's actually quite empowering and
delicious.
- It really was.
- Julia, I won't say when it was, but the first time you meet the little girl and
what she does is like.
(Laugh) - Yeah, yeah, your like.
- (Laugh) Yeah.
- Losing your mind.
- Yeah, so it was yeah, super bloody.
Which I sorta found by the end of it, there's so much stabbing.
So much stabbing.
- It's a very stabby movie.
- Yeah, and I found by the end of it, I was like, you got stabbed again.
- All stabbed out.
- (Laugh) - I got a little stabbed out by the end.
I mean, that's just me phishing for a critique of this movie.
Because ultimately they nailed it.
- That's very hard not to like it.
- It does earn the end.
And the ending is a big deal and it has huge implications for
the X-Universe at large.
And I think that that moment that Wolverine gets to have at the end
could easily been cheapened by not laying the foundations for it.
Not just in this movie but in all these movies past.
And when you finally get to that moment,
when Wolverine gets to do Wolverine's thing, it feels really satisfying.
And so again, clarity of purpose in the story has a lot to do with that.
When you have that big, big Marvel moment.
And the movie and it pays off in a huge emotional way.
I mean that's pretty rare for these things I think.
- Hugh Jackman making it very clear that this is his last go around as Wolverine.
And then the way that they executed this movie, it didn't so
much make me more excited for superhero movies.
And then it's like, here's a fresh take on it and
I can get back into superhero movies anymore.
It gave me hope that some of these guys, even when it's Robert Downy Jr.'s
turn to stop being Iron Man or whatever, that we can actually sort of responsibly
transition from actor to actor or whatever.
And bring satisfying conclusions to these stories,
instead of just making bad stuff until they stop making money.
- Exactly.
- Being at that, moving into the future just a little bit,
thinking about this, maybe there's been news about this that I don't realized, but
what do you guys think when it's time for X-23 to take over?
Is she gonna be Wolverine?
- Mangold has already said he wants to make an X-23 movie.
- And is she going to be the 10 now, 12, 13 year old girl, or
do you think they'll jump ahead to some?
- (Crosstalk) I would love it if they kept her at this age cuz there was just
something so almost perverse about seeing this animal who's a little girl,
you know what I mean?
And that savageness, it was just so much more interesting than pretty much anything
we usually get to see in these movies.
- And it was an actress that made it interesting.
- Yeah, 100%.
- Really, really cool performance.
And it would be, I mean, look, by the time they figured out what they want to do with
it, and by the time they actually get it moving, it'll be four or
five years before we see that movie.
Anyways, she'll be in her late teens by then.
- Yeah. - I hope they do stick with her.
I think it'd be really neat if they did.
And, I mean, they'll have 30 or 40 years of her if they want to.
- Exactly. - Yes.
(Laugh) - I wouldn't be surprised if they jumped
ahead, though, and they threw a named actor in there somewhere.
- Yeah, but I think that would ruin it.
I think that the joy of it is (Inaudible) - I would agree,
I think that would ruin it and I think that's probably why they'll do it.
- Probably. - (Laugh)
- They can't,
you can't keep being this good all the time.
- They can't help themselves.
(Laugh) - The good news is Alicia Vikander's
already doing Tomb Raider so
they're not gonna- - (Laugh)
- She's off the table.
Daisy Ridley's not right.
And outside of that, what- - Yeah, brunette actresses.
(Sound) - Doesn't matter.
(Laugh) - There's not that many.
- We're gonna have to do down to Australia to find one.
- (Laugh) - Man.
Okay, well any other final thoughts on Logan?
I mean, general thoughts, we all loved it.
I think we made that clear, right?
- Yeah, I would say for anyone who's a little bit like me and a little bit tired,
they've got the superhero fatigue.
If you're curious about this one,
I would still say check it out, because it's It's definitely worth a watch.
- Just seeing Professor X dropping F bombs-
- It's fun.
- And just being the biggest.
He doesn't have the action but he has such a great emotional awk in the story that I
think that was probably the main joy for
me just getting to see Patrick Stewart be a bad ass as he always is.
- Great. Do you have any final thoughts?
- It's a little long.
I mean. - (Laugh)
- So no.
- It's two hours and ten minutes.
It's a little long for one of these.
And you know what there frankly, there were a couple of sections the movie that I
felt like they could have just lifted out and thrown away,
and we would never have been the wiser.
So it's not perfect.
When we say it's so lean, and it's so this, and it's like, it's a long movie.
- Yeah. - That does have some draggy parts.
But I mean overall, they really tried something different.
They went for it and they nailed it.
It's terrific.
It's definitely worth seeing.
- I was definitely into it for the sort of genre mixing that it did.
In a really subtle way cuz we talked about it's very much a Western.
You can pull the superhero stuff our and it would be a good Western.
You can pull the Western stuff out and it would be a decent near future sci-fi.
Like a Looper kind of science fiction.
So it worked on a handful of different levels in a really cool way.
And I'm looking forward to seeing it again.
- And it's got Stephen Merchant.
- Yeah!
Did we mention Stephen Merchant?
- We didn't. - No.
- Well, we just did now.
- Yeah.
- I mean, aside from that.
- Yeah, it just happened.
- All right, everybody, that is what we think of 'Logan'.
Let us know if you're excited about it in the comments down below, or
if you've managed to see it already, let us know what you thought about it, too.
Careful on spoilers though, for those of you who have seen it.
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- It was a galaxy far, far away,
we're talking about an entirely different timeline here.
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- Wouldn't that be amazing if he dies in the new Han Solo movie?
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