- Do all Christians think the same?
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- You feel like, well I wanna love who I wanna love.
There's that attraction.
It's like where do you draw the line?
I'm a grown man, I like little boys.
- That is not the same. - If we go by how we-
- You know that's not the same.
- I know you don't agree with that
and I know that it is the same.
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- [Host] I like Christian music.
Three, two, one, go.
(participant laughing)
- Oh man.
- Some Christian music is good
and some of it is lame.
But that's the same with like any kind of music.
- Yeah, any genre of music is the same way.
I have to be like in a certain setting
or a certain mind state to listen to it.
- I kind of agree that some is good and some is bad,
but I kind of feel like
60 to 70% of it is not good (Tyler laughs)
or like exciting.
But maybe I'm kind of traumatized
'cause I could only listen to Christian music
when I was a kid.
- [Tyler] Yeah, I'm the same. - So now I'm like.
- That's relatable. - [T'rayus] Yeah,
that might be a part of it.
- [Host] I have doubted my beliefs.
Three, two, one, go.
- I mean, I'm gay.
I'm from a little town in Texas.
It's difficult to not question your faith
because you're told that gay people can't be Christians,
or Christians can only follow these certain rules
that are set out.
So for me, when I started to grow
and to get a relationship with Christianity myself
is whenever my faith became stronger.
But it was definitely difficult,
and I'm still really going through that right now.
- There were things that I felt like I was born
knowing that God love me and that God was good.
And then, when I came into the church a little bit later,
there were some beliefs,
'cause I'm queer so,
that people were just like,
"This is what it is and you can't be this,
and like this is not", da, da, da, da, da, da.
But, the reason I'm in this line is because
I never felt that from God.
I still felt like He loves me.
- [Host] I support the LGBT community.
Three, two, one, go.
- [T'rayus] About to make some enemies.
- When we mention support, it means to accept.
And I don't accept the lifestyles within the community,
but do I love them?
Do I want the best for them?
I absolutely do.
Do I think that we should be mean to them in church?
Do I think that we should shun them from church?
No, and I'm sorry that you guys
had that experience 'cause that is awful.
That is horrible.
No one should go to a church
and feel like you need to run away from it.
- It's interesting though because the thing
that has hurt me the most is actually
the language with which you're speaking,
which is more confusing I think.
No one actually shunned me.
It was more like this, more like,
"I love you, but God kind of wants to send you to hell."
- I do have Christian friends who are queer or gay
and they're struggling.
They're abstaining from the lifestyle.
But the LGBTQ community says
there's nothing wrong with that lifestyle.
They're proud of that status,
not remorseful or trying to be aligned
with what the Bible says about it.
- You are literally picking one part
of the Bible that you believe
and throwing away everything else.
There's certain materials that we're not supposed to wear.
There's certain foods that we're not supposed to eat,
but we don't discriminate against people who do that.
But we do discriminate against people
who literally just love someone different.
- If you're gonna disagree with it,
you also have to understand the weight
of what you are asking a queer person to do.
When you look at someone
and you feel like they're attractive
and you have to disagree with that part of yourself
every second of the day.
You have to tell yourself, "That's freaking wrong.
That's freaking wrong," at like every second.
You don't think that I should not marry a woman that I love?
- I'm not saying you should be alone.
I'm saying at the basis of anything
I want you to be who God created you to be.
And I know that for you,
you're believing that I was created this way
to love this way.
But, I would actually wonder because you're like,
"Well I wanna love who I wanna love.
There's that attraction."
But it's like where do you draw the line,
when there's, "I'm a grown man, I like little boys."
I am a person - Girl.
- and I know that you don't agree with that,
but there are lines,
because if we go by how we- - That is not the same.
You know that's not the same.
- I know you don't agree with that,
and I know that it is the same.
- I think the LGBT is a huge topic
within the Christian community,
but it doesn't make it any worse than,
like I drink and stuff
and sometimes I drink in excess, which is a sin.
But that's normalized, you know what I mean?
That doesn't get attacked as frequently
as like a LGBT community would, you know what I mean?
- I just define support differently.
I think you can completely support somebody's right to love
and feel love without supporting homosexual activity.
Homosexual activity is sinful.
Raping a child is sinful.
We can argue about what's worse or what's more acceptable
or what our society has normalized,
but the end of the day we all sin
and we all sin in different ways,
and none of those sins should be celebrated.
None of those sins should be condoned
and all of us should be working,
not to change who we are
but to become more like Christ.
- [Host] God loves everybody equal.
Three, two, one, go.
- You got some explaining to do over there.
(all laughing)
- It sounds great to say God loves everybody,
and God does love everybody,
but I don't believe equally.
He loves His own children more than the others in the world.
He would not send someone that He loves truly to hell.
- He is love, that's what His embodiment is.
So I think it's impossible for Him
to not show love towards His children.
I don't think there's varying degrees.
I think it's all standardized against everyone.
Like everyone is loved equally.
- [Host] I would date someone who isn't Christian.
Three, two, one, go.
- Sure, I'll go on this one now.
- [Jasmine] Oh wow! (all laughing)
- You gotcha. (laughs)
- I am married.
I've been married for almost 10 years to a Christian man.
For me, what I feel in the Bible
that God describes as a Christian family
is two people, husband and wife,
who are devoted to serving the Lord together.
And we need somebody to come alongside us
who is helping us to pursue our purpose
and our calling in Christ.
- It's totally possible
and often happens that people of different religions
are someone who's a Christian
and that doesn't have a religion at all
are able to still work together
and are able to still help people grow in their faith.
- I totally agree that I could learn from non-Christians,
even benefit from relationships with Muslims,
Buddhists, or other non-Christians.
But the Bible is specific about not being yoked
in marriage to unbelievers.
Whether you're a Muslim, Christian, or a Buddhist,
you find someone who doesn't share that,
I think you're missing something core in that relationship
which won't work for any marriage.
- But the thing is when you break down
so many of the major religions,
a lot of the tenants are the same,
and we kind of believe the same thing inherently.
- But that's where I disagree.
I think we're very different
- Yeah. - in terms of what we believe.
That we may have similar activities
like going to church or a mosque,
but what I personally believe about Jesus
is not shared
with other religions. - Yeah,
no one else agrees with that.
- [Host] I am waiting to have sex until marriage.
(Kytia giggles)
Three, two, one, go.
- I wish I could be over there, but I can't.
Unfortunately, I made some bad decisions when I was younger.
The people that I've been with prior,
there's always a piece of me with them.
You know what I mean?
There's something I can never get back.
It kind of bums me out a lot (chuckles)
because it's like I wish I could have saved myself
all the way until marriage
in all aspects of physical relations.
- As far as sex goes, I mean, that ship already sailed.
But, I do think that as a Christian
I should be dating to find someone to be with long-term
or finding someone to marry.
And so, part of that does involve
sometimes waiting a little bit longer,
waiting longer to like have sex
and to really be intimate.
- So, I personally am actually not even kissing
until I get engaged,
which a lot of people don't believe me about.
But I had a two-year relationship
and I promise it happened
and it was hard. - Yeah, you strong girl.
- I didn't particularly like it,
but I just find so much
strength and closeness to God
in reserving my physical expression of love for people.
Even though it's very, very far from easy,
it's something I'm so excited for.
To be able to tell that person
I saved this the most intimate part of myself for you
because God was the only one who had a key
to my heart before this.
- [Host] If I died now, I would go to heaven.
Three, two, one, go.
- Yeah, I'm not saying that I'm a good person,
but I'm saved by faith in Jesus Christ
who forgives me on my sin.
I know where I placed my faith
and that's why I know where I'm gonna go.
- I don't know.
It's hard to know exactly
what specifically is considered the biggest sins
that will keep someone from going to heaven.
Especially for me when I haven't put as much thought
into it as I should.
- Christianity's not about
just making sure you're checking off all the boxes
to go to heaven.
I feel like that robs us of the heaven
that's present here on Earth.
All I'm responsible for is doing my best every day.
And I pray that I do that every day
and I think that's true for everybody.
Everybody is just responsible for their best.
- [Kytia and T'rayus] High five!
(everyone laughing)
- [Jason] Christian high five with all around.
- This is the wildest thing I've ever done.
(everyone laughing)
All right.
- Dude, I feel like I could probably
step on every one of these lines
at a different point in my life.
'Cause I grew up a Christian,
but change so much over time.
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