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- Howdy Folks! I'm Bob Schrupp, physical therapist.
- Brad Heinnek, physical therapist.
- We're the most famous physical therapists on the internet.
- In our own opinion, of course, Bob.
- The timer's going off right now, by the way.
So we're going to talk today about back pain.
Should you sleep on the floor,
on memory foam?
And plus we're doing a giveaway of a mattress,
- Oh, a mattress?
- It all ties together. Doesn't it?
- It all works together.
- How you been lately?
- Well, I don't know Bob, it's the aging process.
That's his son.
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This is just a sample one.
I'll show it to you in a minute, here.
- Sure.
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- It is.
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if you want a 60 second version of our program, and Brad,
- We also have a podcast now
with some outstandings, interviews,
- Interviews, yeah. Some foremost experts.
So this is the SleepOvations mattress.
It's only a sample of one, when yours comes
you won't even be able to look on the inside.
- Right.
- It will all be covered
and it's got 700 individual mattresses.
And we're going to talk about this later
why we think this works better than most.
- Right.
- Like memory foam, or something like that.
- But that's our opinion.
- Oh, our opinion, of course Bob.
Let's get rid of this.
- Are you're going to take it?
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- Just kidding.
- All right.
So the argument is, you know,
it comes about, Brad, that a lot of the Japanese
have slept for years and years on futons on the floor,
- Right.
- Which is really a pretty unforgiving surface. Right?
- I slept on, what I believe, was a true futon.
This was a long time ago,
and someone who was familiar with it.
And it was very firm.
It was like a little,
it was, I didn't want to sleep on it anymore
because I was so used to a soft,
- Right.
- You know, this was 30 years ago, a soft bed.
And anyways, go ahead.
- Well, if you are more slight of build,
which a lot of the Japanese are.
- Thinner.
- Thinner, and don't have as many curves
that can work for you.
- Sure.
- And we're going to show you why it doesn't work
for other people.
Let's say you're a more shapely person,
like a woman with pretty good hips.
Or let's say you're just a man with
like a big pretty...
- The gluteus maximus, a little added...
- The little caboose there.
- A little heavy there.
- And Brad's actually simulating that.
Cause we're going to show you why that's a problem.
- Right now?
- Yeah! Why don't you go lie on your back?
- All right. So we'll pretend this is the bed,
and I'm going to lie here.
See that? I got it right, Bob?
- You gotta right.
- English major's paying off.
- But what you're gonna see here
is almost gap here,
because the butt holds the spine up.
- Yeah.
- And so, the back, in order to relax
has to actually bending, go to flection.
- Yeah.
- And if you do that all night long,
you're flexed all night long,
It can become stress in the ligaments,
stress on the disc and very uncomfortable.
Dr. Miguel, who I got all that information from.
Stuart Miguel-
- We did a podcast with him.
- We did, no, he's coming up.
- Oh he's coming, sorry.
- Anyway, he had an athlete that was
like a monster.
- Sure.
- And this guy had a huge buttock.
- Yeah.
- And he said, when he would lie on the floor,
he goes, I can almost crawl underneath it.
That's how big it was.
- Yeah.
- So the same thing, Brad, if you lie on your side,
and the same thing, if you're kind of hippie
the back is going to curve down like this.
- Yeah.
- Yeah, like that.
So again, we want to fill in this gap,
and a mattress can do that.
You can also use a sleep roll like this.
Brad, do you want to show?
- Yeah, and that's what this is made for.
- Yeah.
- To put in that gap,
whether you're on your back or your side.
- Yeah. This is by McKenzie.
You could make one of yourself.
You could roll up a sheet and you know-
- Oh yeah.
Yeah. These are probably a little more comfortable
because they're soft, that's what they're made for.
- But you can start with a sheet.
See if this worked for you.
- Exactly. This actually feels better for me right now.
I mean, this, that support there,
which does relate to later on discussions.
Can I take this off?
- Yeah, You can take it off now.
Now let's talk about length of time in bed too.
This I found very interesting.
Again, this was a by Dr. Miguel.
So, as you, we know this, as you sleep in bed
your disks start to suck up fluid,
and then they call it-
- Imbibe.
- Imbibe. And then during the day
you actually, you know, put pressure on the disks
and the fluid goes back out again
- The body weight from standing squishes.
And it's not a lot of fluid, it's not like a cup full,
but right.
- You know enough that it actually can start to
cause increased pressure on your back.
- But it's a natural thing.
Your disks survive because of it.
They, they pull in fluids.
So they get-
- Nutrients.
- Nutrients. And then they excrete it throughout today,
and that's getting rid of the waste products.
- The body is amazing, but he was talking about astronauts
because they don't have any compression going
on while they're in space.
They actually end up sometimes being two
and a half inches taller.
- Wow.
And you'll find it a little discrepancy for yourself,
like you might be a half inch taller
in the morning, than you are at night,
by the time everything is squished out.
- You know, I remember seeing a study,
and I can't remember, but it was,
I think it was pretty close there.
It depends on the person.
- Sure.
- I mean, you might be more because
- Right. There's more space.
I don't know.
- He's tall. It could be flipped.
- Yeah. All right.
But anyways, so what's, the point we're trying to make is
you shouldn't stay in bed too long
and you're all, well I wanna to sleep.
Yeah, that's fine, but don't, if you watch TV in bed
for two hours before,
you're going to be sucking up during that time, too.
- Especially if it's like a day you want to sleep
in the next day, you know?
- Right.
- You, you could be in bed for 10, 11 hours and,
you know, that's too long.
- So you really want to be careful when you get
up, and we'll show you how to do that.
And, and maybe walk a little bit
before you do anything else.
Don't just sit down right away,
because your putting increased pressure on the spine.
- Sure.
- So that's just something to keep in mind.
You, you, you want to, Oh
I thought I wanted to bring up the example of the flu too.
He said, you know, how often you get the flu and you're
in bed for days.
- Yeah.
- And then your spine starts to ache.
He thinks a lot of that achiness
is due to the back inviting in fluid.
- Sure. So, yeah, not from the flu-
- Not the fever.
- Right, exactly.
- So now let's give an example about a,
like a different type of foam, memory foam.
So, if you're a large person and you sleep on your back
what happens after a while,
a memory foam, you're going to sink into it, right Brad?
- Yes.
- And you're going to create like almost a bowl.
- Right, right.
Yep. And I've experienced this on a memory foam.
This is a number of years ago.
I laid down, it's like, Oh, it's really like a flat board.
But then I realized after about a minute or so
I sunk in and Oh, then it-
- It felt good.
- Yeah. It felt good.
- But the problem is, as soon as you turn,
then your body is having to fight the change in position-
- Right. You got to get out of that hole.
- Yeah, It's hard on your back.
And it's got to re-adjust to, you know, you're-
- Right.
- Your shape.
- Yeah. You're shoulders, your hips.
And it takes time for that to happen
because of the memory foam.
So this is, I was at a pretty
relatively a firm mattress, relatively, I think.
- Sure.
- But anyways, at first I thought, I was really concerned.
- Well, I, I think, you know, again
if you're a person that doesn't change position often,
which by the way they recommend you should,
because it's easier on your joints and spine,
if you are moving a lot.
But if you don't
you might be more comfortable with memory foam.
- Sure.
- But if you move a lot memory foam may not be for you.
Also if your lighter,
it may not make a big difference when you're rolling.
- Right. But there's different density memory foams.
- Sure.
- Blanket that statement, cause-
- Right.
- You know.
- So anyway, it's just something to keep in mind.
There's the other thing is we're talking about pain.
Sometimes people have pain
just what they call micro movements.
Like any little movement of their back,
it hurts, especially at one level of the spine.
If they have a disk problem at the one level of that,
that part of the spine may not be as stable.
- Well, I experience that every night.
- Sure.
- With my spondylolisthesis.
- Gotcha.
- So, I just shift my hips a little bit to the right,
or to the left,
and it's immediately becomes more comfortable.
And I'm not in severe pain,
but it's definitely more uncomfortable, shift,
oh that feels good.
- Well, one thing, if you have pain like that,
when you get out of bed or even when you turn in bed, Brad,
you mind?
- Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
- So when you're in bed like this
and you're going to even turn,
what I want you to do is you're going to roll like a log,
first off, you know, roll the shoulders
and the hips at the same time.
- Everything together.
- But you're going to tighten up your spine while you do it.
So like, if you poke your fingers into your abdomen,
they would actually not go in.
So I'm going to tighten up and then I'm going to roll,
and getting that habit of tightening up before your role.
- Right.
- And that will support the spine,
and not give you that shock of pain,
when you, when you turn. Same, when you get out of bed then.
You roll like a log-
- Yep.
- Onto your side, tighten up the abdomen.
- Yep.
- And then you're going to push up.
I had a patient, Brad, that he,
it was just a big deal for him.
He had so much pain and it starts your day off wrong.
- You mean, to get out of bed was painful?
- Painful, yes. And, and he couldn't believe it.
That just by tightening.
- Yeah.
- It took it away.
- Well, it's like a back belt.
You tighten things up.
- It's natures back belt.
- You keep that spine stable.
- So really the points we're trying to make is if you,
you can use a firm mattress or the floor,
if you have more of a slider build, I would say,
you're more likely to have good luck with it.
Memory foam, if you tend not to move a lot
and maybe a less dense memory foam.
- Sure. Well, you'll know.
- You'll work. You'll know that it works.
Don't stay in bed too long.
- Right.
- You always watch TV or whatever, and use a sleep roll
or pillow to fill in the gaps if you are a larger person.
So the last thing, Brad, is
I wanted to mention the SleepOvation.
You, you want tell your experience with it,
So it's going to, it's got those individual mattresses,
so it responds quickly.
- Right.
- It fills in gaps, but it quickly changes position.
- Right, so, when I had got my, about three years ago,
I'm thinking it's three or four years ago, laid-
Can you?
- Sure.
- So immediately I laid down on it,
and it's like, oh this feels different in a good way.
And I wasn't sure at first,
and immediately I realized
it's like when I had that sleep role in there,
I felt support in my lumbar spine
which was spondylolisthesis at my level L-4, L-5,
that area definitely needs support.
And I had it, and it's like,
I was so much more comfortable, and actually,
laying on my shoulder,
because my shoulder is allowed to sink in a little bit.
- Right.
- Even my shoulders feel better.
But the big thing was, was my spine.
So I do like to lay on my back, but my body says roll over.
So I sleep on my side,
but most time on my back.
- And again, it conforms to the change in position.
- Right.
- Rapidly.
- I mean, should we show them how that works?
- Sure.
- I think it's very interesting.
I'm not a mattress engineer, but I've thought about this.
In here they have springs,
coil springs here, and then a real light,
I believe this is memory foam, but it's very-
- No, it's a, it's a proprietary form they said.
- Oh, okay. So we've got some kind of foam here,
which per, per whatever, alls I know it works.
And so when you lay down there, boy, it just conforms.
So my, my here's my butts here and my,
so if we look at the spine,
my fingers, where that gap is, where we would want to fill.
So when we put the weight on it, this is what happens.
You sink in here, and you sink there.
- It's parted all along the spine.
- Now I can't pull my fingers out. There you go.
- And the same as when you're on your side.
If you look at what the hip does here.
- Right.
- Look, look how it you know, individual foam
creates spot for that.
And the same with the shoulder.
- And this mattress doesn't heat up near as much.
And you know, we always talk
about because of the air channels.
But if you think about it, there's a ton of air,
these are just springs.
There's all kinds of room for air to flow through here.
If you have a solid memory foam mattress,
I mean, there's there's no air flow under that,
cause it's it's memory foam.
- Exactly. So anyway, that's our opinion on, I mean
we don't know, we're not engineers.
Brad's close to one, but-
- No, all's I know, I love it.
- Yeah.
- It's changed my, my sleeping.
- My mother-in-law slept on one this weekend
for the first time.
- Oh, really?
- And, don't tell Sarah,
but my mother-in-law doesn't like a lot of things.
(giddy laughter)
I was afraid to even tell her.
- Yeah, well.
- But she loved it.
- It's, it's secret here, Bob.
- Yeah, Yeah. Secret here.
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Thanks for watching folks.
- You bet.
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