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>>> YEAH,
>>> YEAH, WE'RE GOING THERE, A NEW COMMERCIAL THAT'S CALLING
FOR CHANGE HAS PEOPLE TALKING,
THE AD FOR GILLETTE HIGHLIGHTS
A CULTURE OF TOXIC MASCULINITY
THAT ALLOWS MEN TO GET AWAY
WITH SEXUAL HARASSMENT, AND IT
CALLS ON MEN TO MAKE A CHANGE.
>> BULLYING.
>> BULLYING. >> THE ME TOO MOVEMENT.
>> MASCULINITY.
>> MASCULINITY. >> IS THE BEST THE MAN CAN GET.
>> BOYS WILL BE BOYS.
>> BUT SOMETHING FINALLY
CHANGED.
CHANGED.
CHANGED. >> ALLEGATIONS REGARDING SEXUAL
HARASSMENT AND SEXUAL ASSAULT.
>> AND THERE WILL BE NO GOING
BACK, BECAUSE WE, WE BELIEVE IN
THE BEST IN MEN.
>> MEN NEED TO HOLD OTHER MEN
ACCOUNTABLE.
ACCOUNTABLE. >> WHAT'S WRONG SWEETIE, COME
ON.
ON.
ON. >>
ON. >> TO
ON. >> TO SAY THE RIGHT THING, TO
ACT THE RIGHT WAY.
>> IT'S NOT COOL --
>>> REACTIONS TO THE COMMERCIAL
HAVE BEEN MIXED AND WE'RE
DIVING INTO THIS IN REAL TALK.
, PLEASE WELCOME TO THE REAL
TALK CARA KNEER AND CHESLEY
McNEIL AND EMILY FOLEY.
>> ALL RIGHT.
SOME OFFERED PRAISE, ACTUALLY I
WENT ON TWITTER AND I WAS GOING
DOWN A RABBIT HOLE THERE, A LOT
OF PEOPLE PRAISING GILLETTE FOR
THIS PROGRESSIVE ADS AND OTHERS
HAVE THREATENED TO BOYCOTT THE
RAZOR COMPANY.
RAZOR COMPANY. I WOULD LIKE IT KNOW YOUR
THOUGHTS.
THOUGHTS.
THOUGHTS. YOU SAW IT FOR THE FIRST TIME.
WHAT WERE YOUR REACTIONS, NOW,
THAT THIS IS CONTROVERSY, THAT
HAS THAT INFLUENCE, I'LL START
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU.
WITH YOU. >> I'M REALLY CONFUSED HOW WE
GOT TO A PLACE WHERE A COMPANY
IS JUST BAFFLE BROADCAST --
JUST GOT TO A PLACE TO
BROADCAST A POSITIVE, IT'S
SAYING BE THE BEST MAN YOU CAN
BE AND PEOPLE ARE UPSET ABOUT
IT, IT'S STRANGE TO ME.
IT SEEMS POSITIVE AND IT'S A
GOOD MESSAGE, RIGHT?
>> I THINK THE SAME WAY, I
AGREE.
AGREE.
AGREE. >>
AGREE. >> AND GOING THROUGH TWITTER,
FEMINIST PROPAGANDA AND GUYS
LIKE GILLETTE SHOULDN'T TELL US
HOW TO BE MEN, AND IT'S LIKE,
THEY'RE NOT.
THEY'RE NOT. I EVEN READ ONE, HEY, DUDE IF
THIS AD OFFENDED YOU, YOU
SHOULD SMILE MORE.
THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON IN
YOUR HEART THAT THIS WOULD BE
OFFENSIVE, YOU KNOW.
>> I SEE HANK SMIRKING OVER
THERE.
THERE.
THERE. HANK, IS IT, ARE WE, HAVE WE
GONE TOO FAR, YES IT'S
POSITIVE.
POSITIVE.
POSITIVE. OF COURSE, WE'RE TRYING TO
REINFORCE A MESSAGE THAT
ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO START IN
THE HOME AT A YOUNG AGE.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT.
>> RIGHT. >> HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR THE
OTHER WAY.
OTHER WAY. >> CONVERSATIONS NOW ARE, I
FEEL LIKE GILLETTE WAS CHASING
SOME MONEY, THAT'S WHAT IT FELT
LIKE TO ME.
IF THE MESSAGE IS GOOD, THE
COMMERCIAL IT HIT HOME, THEY
WERE CHASING MONEY.
DOESN'T USE THE MOVEMENT TO
SELL MORE.
SELL MORE. IF YOU WANT TO SELL MORE,
WHATEVER RIVERS TO WOMEN MAKE
BETTER RIVERS, GILLETTE.
>> DID YOU FEEL THAT WAY WHEN
NIKE DID THAT.
>> WITH NIKE I FELT THE SAME
WAY.
WAY.
WAY. IT
WAY. IT WAS LIKE, OH, ALL OF A
SUDDEN WE WANT TO SELL A
PRODUCT.
PRODUCT.
PRODUCT. >> NO, MAN, I DON'T LIKE ANYONE
TO CHASE THE MOVEMENT, IF YOU
ARE GOING TO HELP SOMETHING,
PUT SOME MONEY BEHIND IT, DO
SOME ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE NOT
YOU PARADING ON TV JUST TO
SELL.
SELL.
SELL. ALL
SELL. ALL IT DOES, MOST MEN DO NOT
STAND AND GO, I'M GOING TO
BOYCOTT IT, THAT'S NOT HOW MEN
OPERATE.
OPERATE.
OPERATE. MOST DUDES WILL BE LIKE, YOU
COME IN THE HOUSE WITH
RECEIPTS, YOU GOT THE RECEIPT,
HE DOESN'T WANT PROBLEMS, HE
WANTS NO SMOKE.
WOMEN IT'S A DIFFERENT FEEL.
YOU ALL ARE STRIKING, I WANT
ACTION NOW, MOST GUYS DON'T
WANT THIS PROBLEM.
SO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET,
YOU GOT ME ON THE PANEL.
MOST DUDES ARE, OH, NO I'M NOT
GOING TO TOUCH THAT.
GILLETTE -- THEY DID A GOOD
THING.
THING.
THING. >>
THING. >> THEY ARE PUTTING THEIR MONEY
IS WHERE THEIR MOUTH IS THOUGH.
>> THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO SEE.
THE COMMERCIAL TELLING US, WE
KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM, WE KNOW
THERE'S A PROBLEM.
WE KNOW IT NEEDS TO BE
ADDRESSED, WE KNOW THINGS NEED
TO CHANGE.
TO CHANGE. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE
IDEA CELEBRITIES, THEY
SHOULDN'T HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT
POLITICS, ALSO, YOUR PUT IN A
POSITION OF PRIVILEGE, SO WHEN
YOU AS A NATIONAL CORPORATE
COMPANY, YOU HAVE A LOT OF
INFLUENCE OR A VOICE ARE ABLE
TO CREATE SOMETHING FOR MASS
CONSUMPTION, PEOPLE CAN GO OH,
WOW, THAT WAS A GOOD MESSAGE
FOR MEN, DO YOU FEEL YOU SHOULD
USE THAT PLATFORM FOR GOOD.
>> THE TRUE INSPIRATIONAL
LEADERS FOR OUR TIME WE READ
ABOUT IN THE HISTORY BOOKS,
THEY STEAK THEIR LIVES AND
EVERYTHING THEN BELIEVE ON IN A
MOVEMENT THEY BELIEVE IN, IT'S
NOT MOTIVATED BY ANYTHING ELSE
OTHER THAN WHAT THEY BELIEVE.
>> RIGHT, WHAT ELSE RIGHT AND
GOOD.
GOOD.
GOOD. >>
GOOD. >> CORRECT, THE COMMERCIAL USE
ALWAYS HAVE ME LOOK AT IT, WHY,
WHY, COME ON MAN.
>> I HEAR YOU.
I HEAR LOTS OF GOOD THINGS, AS
YOU WERE SAYING, BETH, WHAT IS
WRONG WITH JUST BEING POSITIVE
AND MAKING A STAND AND REALLY
TRYING IT MAKE SURE THAT THIS
CAMPAIGN DOESN'T SOMEHOW FALL
BY THE WASTE SIDE IN THIS BRAND-
NEW YEAR.
NEW YEAR.
NEW YEAR. WE'RE CONTINUING TRYING TO MAKE
A DIFFERENCE.
A DIFFERENCE. NOW, TOXIC MASCULINITY.
SOME PEOPLE HAVE PROBLEM WITH
IT, NOT EVERYONE IS ON BOARD.
PIERS MORGAN HAS MADE A
COMMENT.
COMMENT.
COMMENT. I USE RAZOR, THIS IS ABSURD.
PC GIVE, HE SAID IT WILL DRIVE
ME AWAY FROM THIS COMPANY.
AND THE CURRENT PATHETIC
ASSAULT ON MASCULINITY.
>> LET BOYS BE DAM MEN AND MEN
BE DAM MEN.
>> IT'S CONFUSING, I'M A
COMEDIAN AND EVERYONE IS
SENSITIVE.
SENSITIVE. TO ME I HAVE TO WALK THROUGH
EVERYTHING I SAY, YOU CAN'T SAY
THIS OR THAT.
I CAN'T TELL A WOMAN THAT SHE'S
PRETTY.
PRETTY.
PRETTY. >> ARE YOU KIDDING.
>> THAT'S TOO FAR.
THAT'S WHERE --
>> YOU ASK GUYS ON A PANEL.
THOSE ARE THE GUYS YOU WORK
FOR, IF I WALK BY AND A WOMAN
SMELLS NICE I'LL BE THE LAST
THING THAT I WILL SAY OUT OF MY
LIFE EVEN THOUGH I WANT TO SAY
--
--
-- >>
-- >> IT'S CREATED A CHILLING
EFFECT.
EFFECT.
EFFECT. >> AND THERE'S SUCH DEVICE I
HAVE HORRIBLE THINGS TO GET
PEOPLE RILED UP ON EITHER SIDE.
IF WE'RE FIGHTING WITH EACH
OTHER THAN THIS GOES AWAY.
ALL OF THIS.
ALL OF THE FIGHTING IN POLITICS
AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
IF WE COULD FIND SOME SORT OF
COMMON GROUND OR NOT BE SO ON
ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER, A LOT OF
IT WOULD DISSIPATE.
THEY'RE THRIVING ON US
FIGHTING.
FIGHTING.
FIGHTING. >> WE HAVE GONE SO FAR THAT MEN
CAN'T EVEN BE POLITE TO WOMEN
AND ENCOURAGING OF WOMEN.
WOMEN LOVE COMPLIMENTS, I'M NOT
GOING TO LIE, GIVE ME A FEW.
>> HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIND
LOVE AND COMMONALITY, MEN TO
WOMEN, THE BOOK IS OUT, MEN ARE
FROM MARS AND WOMEN ARE FROM
VENUS, TWO DIFFERENT PLACES, WE
SPOKE THE SAME LANGUAGE.
>> I'M GOING ALONG WITH WHAT
HANK IS SAYING, LADIES WAY IN
-- WEIGH IN.
THERE WAS A STUDY THAT CAME IN.
THE AMERICAN PSYCHOLOGICAL
FOUNDATION, THERE IS STILL
COMPETITIVENESS, ACHIEVEMENT,
COMPETITIVENESS, ACHIEVEMENT, ADVENTURE RISK, THEY'RE BAD AND
THEY SHOULD BE EXPUNGED.
THIS IS A NEW STUDY, ALL OF
THESE THINGS.
THESE THINGS. >> THAT'S THAT WHOLE TROPHY
THING.
THING.
THING. >>
THING. >> MEN IN SOME RESPECTS, WHAT
IS OUR TRUE DEFINITION OF MASS
CUE LEGITIMATE.
CUE LEGITIMATE. ALL OF THESE THINGS SHOULD BE
-- MASCULINITY.
-- MASCULINITY. >> ALL OF THESE THINGS SHOULD
BE EXPUNGED.
BE EXPUNGED. >> WHAT IS MASCULINITY.
>> AS LONG AS WE ARE CREATING
MESSAGES THAT UPLIFT AND
ENCOURAGING, THERE'S NOTHING
WRONG WITH A MESSAGE TO BE
BETTER TO ANYBODY.
CAN WE BE BETTER WOMEN, BETTER
MEN, IN RELATIONSHIPS, FRIENDS,
PARENTS, SISTERS, WHATEVER.
WHEN YOU START TAKING A WAY THE
CORE VALUES OF WHAT EACH SEX
BRINGS TO THE TABLE.
I LOVE CHIVALRY, I LOVE A GOOD
MASCULINE MAN, I DON'T WANT
ANYTHING OF THAT TO GO AWAY.
FOCUS ON THE POSITIVITY.
>> OPENING DOORS, OPEN THE DOOR
YOURSELF.
YOURSELF.
YOURSELF. I'M MARRIED, SO --
>> I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
>> I'M MARRIED I'M TRYING TO
SHOW MY DAUGHTER AND SON, GET
THE DOOR FOR YOUR MOM, DO STUFF
LIKE THAT.
LIKE THAT. HOW FAR AM I GOING, AM I
OPENING THE DOOR SO I COULD
LOOK AT YOUR BEHIND, IT'S TOO
MUCH.
MUCH.
MUCH. IT'S SO UNCOMFORTABLE IF YOU'RE
A SINGLE MAN.
>> IS THAT WHAT WE'RE ARGUING
ABOUT.
ABOUT.
ABOUT. PEOPLE ARE THINKING, LIKE THOSE
DESCRIPTIVE WORDS YOU JUST
SAID, THEY'RE GREAT ATTRIBUTES
FOR ANYONE TO HAVE.
>> ANYONE.
>> ANYONE. >> SO WHY ARE WE FIGHTING ON
THINGS LIKE OPENING THE DOOR?
IT'S THE SAME THING, I THINK
EVERYONE WANTS GOOD FOR
EVERYBODY ELSE.
EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S NOBODY SAYING, WELL, I
THINK SOMETHING NEGATIVE.
NOBODY WANTS SOMETHING NEGATIVE
FOR ANYONE EMPTIES.
WE GOT CAUGHT UP IN THE
MINUTIAE, AND WE ARE GOING AND
IT'S GO, GO AND IT'S RIGHT,
RIGHT, RIGHT.
RIGHT, RIGHT. >> WHEN YOU HAVE KIDS, YOUR
MOTHER SAYS ASK YOUR FATHER AND
YOUR FATHER SAYS ASK YOUR
MOTHER.
MOTHER.
MOTHER. IT'S A DIFFERENT GENERATION, WE
DON'T TELL OUR KIDS HOW TO BE A
MAN OR HOW TO DO THIS.
>> TO RAISE THEM TO BE
EMPATHETIC AND BE KIND.
FOLLOW-UP WANT TO PAINT YOUR
NAILS AND JUMP OFF COUCH IS
THAT OKAY?
THAT OKAY? >> IS PEEING OUTSIDE OKAY --
>> NOT THAT I HAVE KIDS, FOUR
NEPHEWS, YOU HAVE TO GO, DON'T
PEE ON ME.
POINT IT ELSEWHERE.
>> THAT'S THE SIDE HANK IS ON
TO SOME EXTENT.
THEY'RE SAYING, WE ARE
ABSOLUTELY DEMASCULINIZING OUR
YOUNG MEN TODAY.
I THINK IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR
ALL OF YOU MOMS OUT THERE WHO
ARE RAISING THESE YOUNG BOYS IN
THIS PARTICULAR CLIMATE.
>> YOUR CHILD IS WHO THEY ARE,
LOVE THE CHILD THAT YOUR CHILD
IS, NOT THE PERSON YOU WANT
YOUR CHILD TO BE.
>> EXACTLY.
>> EXACTLY. >> VERY TRUE.
VERY TRUE.
VERY TRUE. >> WHAT YOU DO, AND I'LL SAY
THIS, AND ME BEING AS A BLACK
MAN, YOU HAVE TO GIVE
GUIDELINES FOR WHAT YOU'RE
DOING AND SAYING, WHEN YOU HAVE
CHILDREN OF DIFFERENT
ETHNICITY, I DON'T WANT MY SON
-- I WANT MY SON TO KEEP HIS
HANDS TO HIMSELF AND YOU DON'T
WANT ANYBODY HIT BEING YOU, A
GIRL HIT HIM IN HIS BACK,
PUNCHED HIM.
PUNCHED HIM. SHE ASKED HIM TO DATE ME AND HE
SAILED I'M NOT GOING TO DATE
YOU.
YOU.
YOU. THAT
YOU. THAT WAS HIS DECISION TO MAKE.
BUT, HE GOT PUNCHED IN THE
BACK, NOW, IF HE HAD HIT HER,
IT'S LIKE, BOYS DON'T HIT
GIRLS, MY THING IS IF HE HIT
HER AND HEARD HER, IF HE
KNOCKED HER OUT AND IT WAS
SOMETHING DRASTIC, HOW DO YOU
HANDLE IT?
HANDLE IT? IF MORE WOMEN ARE SAYING THIS
IS WHAT WE WANT FROM MEN AND WE
HEAR IT, MORE THAN JUST A
COMMERCIAL, THEN WE CAN
UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THESE PEOPLE
JUST LIKE YOU WANT MEN TO STAND
UP AND SAME FELLOWS, STOP DOING
IT AND WE HEAR MORE WOMEN STAND
UP AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE
SHOULD DO.
SHOULD DO. >> IT'S A CONVERSATION, WE HAVE
TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND SAY
THIS IS WHAT WE SHOULD.
>> WE LOVE GUIDELINES, OKAY,
SIR, YOU CAN TOUCH MY SHOULDER.
>> WE TRIED TO START THE
CONVERSATION, THE ME TOO
CONVERSATION, I THINK WHAT'S
HAPPENED, IT'S PUSHED MEN, SOME
MEN INTO A DIRECTION WHERE THEY
FEEL LIKE I'M AFRAID TO BREATHE
AROUND A WOMAN, AND IT'S, AGAIN
THE CONVERSATION --
>> THE WOMAN SAYS SHE'S HOT AND
ONE WILL SAY I LOVE IT AND THE
OTHER SAYS I'M OFFENDED.
>> IT'S TOO MUCH FOR TEN
MINUTES, WE WANT YOU TO WEIGH
IN.
IN.
IN. LET
IN. LET US NO HE YOUR THOUGHTS ON
FACEBOOK.
FACEBOOK.
FACEBOOK. >> LET'S HIT