Victoria's father says she was a happy child
until one day he came home from work
and found a very different little girl.
Three weeks ago, I discovered that my daughter was raped.
I was upset when I found out about it
and even more upset when I found out
it was 13 years ago.
Why didn't she say anything?
I don't know if all these problems we are having
all stems from the rape.
Maybe I didn't say the right things to her
and she's taking it out on me.
Thomas is a good guy.
They wish he could get a steady job
and get out of the house more.
I think things would be a little easier that way.
Victoria tells me that she sees demons.
They're not drug addicts, they're not alcoholics.
If she believes she sees these things,
I cannot call her a liar.
Well, Mark is joining us now.
Thank you for being here.
Do you perceive your daughter to be demon-possessed?
No.
Why do you question whether or not she's demon-possessed?
Why do you think that's ...
I just don't believe that.
I don't see it, I don't hear her, you know, screaming
and thinking that, I just don't believe it.
I can't.
My thinking is this.
You guys are now in a trap.
Because you see yourself as being cleansed and her not
and so you're afraid of her being demon-possessed
and if she doesn't buy into the concept and get cleansed,
then here you are with some demon-possessed woman.
You know, there's 297 diagnoses in this
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual
of the American Psychiatric Association
that I would work through before I went to some paranormal,
higher-order level of explanation.
Because this is something that you can do something about
and when I look through here,
I can't diagnose you sitting here
because I would have to go through a whole lot
of diagnostic process to do it.
But I can tell you on the short list of considerations
would be post-traumatic stress disorder
from what you've been through.
You know, chronic depression and anxiety.
Certainly potential of personality damage
and disorders from what has happened to you
that has never been tended to.
Why can't this be a possibility
of a demonic attack, you know?
Look, I don't rule out any possibilities
but, look, this is chess, not checkers.
This is a complex situation
and what I'm saying is, what this gentleman is telling you
is if you called him,
he would have done an exorcism with you over the phone.
Not necessarily.
That's not fair.
Well, you offer it for $295. But I might not
have done that. Pardon me?
You're putting a template on this
that's avoiding the spiritual reality
of what we have going on here.
I'm just reading your website.
Wait a minute, it's okay,
it's okay to just take the DSM, lay it out there,
and avoid the spiritual world.
It's the spiritual world that we're dealing in.
It intersects with the psychological world
from time to time.
But you cannot take that template and put it on something
that has a reality to speak on.
Well, I wanna tell you,
I believe I am dealing with the spiritual world.
I am not sure what you're dealing with.
I'm sure what I'm dealing with.
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And you have not been there to see what I'm dealing with.
But I do know this, you're in a trap now.
You do know that you've been damaged.
Correct. You do know
that you've been hurt.
100%. And you do know
that there is help available for that
of something that you can do and you can work on.
And if this is satisfactory to Thomas, it's great.
If it's not, you have to take care of yourself first.